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Treblaine

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Alade said:
Well, first of, your blood pressure is higher while sitting than while lying down, which can lead to heart disease. (this is common knowledge)

Secondly, long time sitting obviously leads to colon cancer.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303499204576387843134027056.html

Sitting and spinal injuries are linked a lot, this is also common knowledge.
http://www.easyvigour.net.nz/fitness/h_Chair_Sit2.htm

The link with diabeetes.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2008/0610-stand_up_for_your_health.htm

Can I get a touche? (I actually had to spend some time finding these links)
These aren't arguments against PC gaming, these are arguments against ALL gaming (except kinect arm-flail games).

"Activities are considered sedentary if they require very low energy expenditure, such as prolonged sitting."

Such as. Not exclusively "chair sitting" but includes lazing on a couch. So unless you happen to stand freely when using a gamepad then you are at the same risk of ass cancer. Interestingly I have a bar-stool for gaming on consoles for whatever that counts.

If sitting is a desk chair causes you to get such a stiff back that you have to get up and walk it off that is GOOD! Hell, reclining on a couch is just too sedentary you could fall to sleep.
 

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Dexter111 said:
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Can that "Destitute" build play Crysis at the highest settings without any problems?
It can't
Could have stopped right there.

And you missed my point, which is if playing on a PC is really that much better I'm not going to settle for middle-ground. If I'm going to play on PC, I want a PC that can play every game at it's highest settings without any kind of problems and I expect that it'll keep that level of performance up for 5 years or whatever without ever having to update it. If there's a way to build a computer like that for under $300 then by all means tell me how its done.
 

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Murmur95 said:
Assassin Xaero said:
PC - better for FPS and RTS
Console - Better for sport, racing, hack'n'slash games
Diablo / oblivion > PC than consoles (which can be considered hack'n'slash
Diablo I never cared for, but Torchlight (guess it is pretty much the same?) I wish my controller worked for... The 'click here to walk here' thing is kind of annoying. Ok, the Elder Scrolls games are RPGs, I don't get why that is so hard for people. I can see why some people can consider it a hack'n'slash, but one guy was trying to tell me once that Morrowind was the best FPS where was. -.-
 

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people moaning about slow pc's:

build this, it's a cheap, effective console destroying machiene
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with any other components you prefer
i guarantee that system will boot in under 15 seconds if you enable quick boot and don't deliberately load it down with un-necessary bloat ware
because mine does and it's an older generation
it will last you 6-8 years if you choose an intelligent upgrade path, as it is already forward compatible with intel's planned cpu releases
and is sli /xfire able so you can plug in another matching card, or upgrade to a later generation and use this one as a physics processor
( or rely on the hydra gpu balancing thing, but i wouldn't... tbh. )
you can add more ssd's later in raid to further improve the already stupidly fast load times of that ocz drive and double / quadrouple the space
or add a terrabyte+ drive and use the ssd as readyboost cache ( hybrid ssd mode )

and no i don't claim this is an optimal system, or cutting edge in anyway but it's easily possible to thrash a console, get very nice components, have a very real upgrade path and still get change out of £500 ( 800usd ) if all you need is a core system upgrade to a gaming pc ( which i assume is the case for most people )
( the least i could make the entire system, with everything you need to get on the net and play something was £570 ( 930usd )including postage, it could be done cheaper but i made a system with an viable upgrade path for everything, so you can replace parts and essentially have a new pc when consoles are released to keep pace with modernising game ports, or to play graphics intensive titles such as the witcher, or crysis in dx11 so you can make your friends drool at the pretty pixels )

the
#real#
issue with console vs pc is how much effort do you really want to put into it in all honesty
from building, to optimising software pc's do take more time / effort but imo it pays off unless you have so much money you don't care, in which case why don't you have all platforms for the lols anyway?
 

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Gorilla Gunk said:
Dexter111 said:
Gorilla Gunk said:
Can that "Destitute" build play Crysis at the highest settings without any problems?
It can't
Could have stopped right there.

And you missed my point, which is if playing on a PC is really that much better I'm not going to settle for middle-ground. If I'm going to play on PC, I want a PC that can play every game at it's highest settings without any kind of problems and I expect that it'll keep that level of performance up for 5 years or whatever without ever having to update it. If there's a way to build a computer like that for under $300 then by all means tell me how its done.
It's not, and $300 is laughable considering consoles aren't that when they come out. Computers aren't made specifically for gaming, and they do so much more. Sure, you won't run Crysis on max, but you'll still run it better than a console ever could. Do consoles come with an HDMI cable, full surround sound, and a 72" LED TV? No. Are they needed to play the game? No. Are they nice? Yes. Are maxed on graphics on PC needed to play the game? Nope. Nice? Yep.
 

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Gorilla Gunk said:
Dexter111 said:
Gorilla Gunk said:
Can that "Destitute" build play Crysis at the highest settings without any problems?
It can't
Could have stopped right there.

And you missed my point, which is if playing on a PC is really that much better I'm not going to settle for middle-ground. If I'm going to play on PC, I want a PC that can play every game at it's highest settings without any kind of problems and I expect that it'll keep that level of performance up for 5 years or whatever without ever having to update it. If there's a way to build a computer like that for under $300 then by all means tell me how its done.
Sure there is. Go work with hardware. That's how a friend of mine built his high-end PC for something like 300$ bucks. He repairs PCs - when people bring him a fried PC some parts may be salvaged and some can't. Example: client's PC got fried by thunder, blowing the PSU and frying the mobo, drives and ram. the gfx miraculously survived but the client couldn't afford (and didn't need) a high-end gaming PC so he bought the card from the client and assembled a cheaper PC with integrated gfx.

Then there's of course ebay.

You can't do that with consoles, no matter how hard you may try.
 

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PC games are at most $10 cheaper not £10.
You know you forgot about Steam and other digital distributors, right?

I can't remember the last time I payed more than $50 for a single PC game, and that includes preorders (Brink and Red Faction Armageddon preordered for $37 each, RAGE for $46).
 

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Treblaine said:
Modern consoles (and even it appears, the Wii-U) are not capable of Hardware tesselation.
The Xbox 360 can do it just fine and plenty of ATI cards could also do it for years as well. Of course neither has really been used in games, but the capabilities have been around for a while. So wake me when it actually becomes a major part of most games, not just a technical curiosity used by only a tiny handful of games.

-unlicensed platform mean developers can release games without a fee, Minecraft collects 100% of revenue.
This is the one big advantage PCs have, no question.

-higher competition per system. GoG, Steam and now Origin compete on one PC while Xbox locks you into XBLA there is only detached competition with PSN
Meanwhile Steam games are locked to Steam, allowing them to do price fixing and kill the used game marked, leading to the console version of Orange Box for example actually being cheaper then the PC version.

Steam in general is also heavily overpriced, so is GoG and Origin. The only thing those services have going for them are their sales, their regular pricing just sucks, its most of the time cheaper to order stuff right from Amazon.

-Far more flexible controls with mouse + keyboard but also more importantly gamepad, or wheel, whatever appropriate
And half the time that stuff fails to work. For example with gamepads you basically have two kinds of games these days: The new ones, that require an Xbox360 gamepad and do not support older gamepads (due to lack of XInput driver) and the older ones that only support old gamepads properly, as the official Xbox360 DirectInput drivers are so shitty that they allow no configuration and merge the triggers into a single Z-axis, making them unusable for most games.

Now of course there are workarounds, custom drivers, XPadder and a whole lot of other hackery, but getting a usable configuration with non-standard hardware is often more effort then it is worth it, when it is possible at all (can't turn a mouse driven UI into one tuned for a gamepad).

Consoles are far less flexible, but they actually have a default configuration that is consistent across all games and just works without any need for tweaking.

-games 100% install makes them far easier to patch and follow major ongoing updates like TF2's continued evolution
100% install also means that it takes forever to get to actually play the game you want to play, also add in layered DRM for extra fun. Nothing better then having Steam games require GamesForWindows on top.

-Modding is a major creative force that has kept CS alive and strong for 12 year now,
And aside from CS players nobody cares. As nice as modding sounds in theory, the actual number of useful mods is rather slim and essentially getting smaller and smaller as games get more complex. Doing a level for Doom1 that was similar in quality to the original wasn't that difficult, doing one that competes with stuff seen in modern games, not so much.

Right now PC seems to be the only platform actually making progress, it's been 6 years since Xbox 360, graphics have moved on a LOOOONG way since then.
And yet all you get are shiny tech demos and no actual games. And that is where the crux is, you can proclaim all day that a modern $1000 PC is technically more powerful then a console, but the sad fact is that this $1000 PC essentially boils down to playing the exact same games as the $200 console. It might get more resolution and anti-aliasing, but not actually different games.
 

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As Cracked pointed out here http://www.cracked.com/article_18571_5-reasons-its-still-not-cool-to-admit-youre-gamer_p2.html, console and PC gaming is apples and oranges. Modding is like anything else, it's brilliant when it's done right but it's usually sitting atop of 50 feet of crap. But there's nothing quite like Crysis 1 or 2 on a high-end PC, Battlefield 3 will blow people's minds, and if you have the system the definitive version of GTA IV is now the PC one.

But you can understand why Devs are going to consoles. Harder to pirate, better for product turnover (ask Activision why they don't have user-made content to really extend the life of its COD games), no obligation to push 50,000 polygons into an NPC's nose. But at the heart of it they pay for their games, which is what Cracked is also getting at there.
 

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Vault101 said:
some of those "silly" platform specific titles are pretty good, and rather attractive if your not a fan of MMO's or RTS's

also DRM....fucking DRM

anyway I just wish there was some way I could FUCKING AIM properly with a gamepad..Im getting used to it actually, and mabye its sharpened my skills....as I loaded up Deadspace 2 on the PC just recently and was like "whooaaa PRECISION!! OH HOW I HAVE MISSED YOU!!"
Not saying the games are bad. I'm saying the platform specific thing is bad.

There's some truly amazing platform specific games out there. If we want gaming to be something more then a luxurious children's toy then that needs to stop in my opinion.

I mean how ridiculous would it be if you could only watch the original Star Wars trilogy on a Sony TV? That'd be stupid. Especially considering that none of the consoles actually have truly different hardware, it's all exactly the same principles.

The XBox360 CPU is made by IBM and uses the same instruction set as the Wii, PS3 and a range of other processors used in PCs, Macs and mobile phones.
The GPU is made by ATI and is an advanced version of the R520 series, with some features later used in the R600 series.

If the XBox360 system software was publicly available it'd be possible to build a PC that acted in every single way like a XBox360, likely better in many areas due to hardware upgrades.

Because that's all a console is. A few MB of system software. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

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That is a complete opinion right there.
I grew up with a console.
When I switched to PC and modded everything, I adore mouse and keyboard and I'm now taking a games course.
 

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I also believe that controllers are more natural. But, the keyboard + mouse combo is more accurate. That's the only thing I don't like about consoles, mostly FPS titles, I'm quite a bit inaccurate. Sure, I can get a 2.0 K/D in BO on the PS3, but only because the other guys can't aim for shit any more than I can.
 

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Hagi said:
Vault101 said:
some of those "silly" platform specific titles are pretty good, and rather attractive if your not a fan of MMO's or RTS's

also DRM....fucking DRM

anyway I just wish there was some way I could FUCKING AIM properly with a gamepad..Im getting used to it actually, and mabye its sharpened my skills....as I loaded up Deadspace 2 on the PC just recently and was like "whooaaa PRECISION!! OH HOW I HAVE MISSED YOU!!"
Not saying the games are bad. I'm saying the platform specific thing is bad.

There's some truly amazing platform specific games out there. If we want gaming to be something more then a luxurious children's toy then that needs to stop in my opinion.

I mean how ridiculous would it be if you could only watch the original Star Wars trilogy on a Sony TV? That'd be stupid. Especially considering that none of the consoles actually have truly different hardware, it's all exactly the same principles.

The XBox360 CPU is made by IBM and uses the same instruction set as the Wii, PS3 and a range of other processors used in PCs, Macs and mobile phones.
The GPU is made by ATI and is an advanced version of the R520 series, with some features later used in the R600 series.

If the XBox360 system software was publicly available it'd be possible to build a PC that acted in every single way like a XBox360, likely better in many areas due to hardware upgrades.

Because that's all a console is. A few MB of system software. Nothing more, nothing less.
you forgot one thing....brandname

which I think its still very ingrained in gamers minds...it the reason for the pointless "console wars", it stems from when console were more different, Nintendo vs sega microsift vs sony MY console is better than yours!!!....

yeah? well I got halo!

I dont even like halo!!! halo is gay!!!

anyway I agree, exclusivity is a pain and unessicary thease days on a technical level

however it makes me wonder how would it work? as long as you have diffferent makers of consoles then your always going to have exclusives...and having a monopoly over the console market cant be a good thing

however mabye things will change...

anyway its interesting that consoles thease days are pretty much simplified PC's....so mabye PC gaming did win out in the end...it just came back to bite itself
 

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I grew up with a controller, and I still prefer the mouse and keyboard.
PC's will usually only require an update every 6 years to keep running the games.
A high end PC will cost you less than £500 if you know where to look and can put it together yourself.

The only problem with the PC for gaming is that no company seems to give a shit. We either get crappy ports, or they focus on the game but then the distributors fuck them right up by getting overly protective of the game and add retarded crap to it to prevent piracy which never fucking works.

Now stop arguing about it. Either those problems will go or the PC Games market will begin to crumble, and consoles have similar problems. Neither is the better, they just work for different things. The only argument is about the developers, not the systems themselves.
 

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Vault101 said:
you forgot one thing....brandname

which I think its still very ingrained in gamers minds...it the reason for the pointless "console wars", it stems from when console were more different, Nintendo vs sega microsift vs sony MY console is better than yours!!!....

yeah? well I got halo!

I dont even like halo!!! halo is gay!!!

anyway I agree, exclusivity is a pain and unessicary thease days on a technical level

however it makes me wonder how would it work? as long as you have diffferent makers of consoles then your always going to have exclusives...and having a monopoly over the console market cant be a good thing

however mabye things will change...

anyway its interesting that consoles thease days are pretty much simplified PC's....so mabye PC gaming did win out in the end...it just came back to bite itself
We already have a separation between user software (games for example) and OS+hardware.

I'm hoping we'll get another separation of OS and hardware. Much like Linux and Windows already are. You buy a PC and then you pick, Windows or Linux OS?

So If I wanted I could buy a PS5 frame, install an Apple OS and play Halo 16. Or maybe get a PC, install a XBox1440 OS and play Civ 9. Stuff like that.

And a PC is nothing more then a few GB of Windows software. Beneath it all it's all the same chips made by a small number of companies. All our CPUs are practically the same, all our GPUs are practically the same and even all the OS are practically the same on a technological level. There's just a lot of effort put into hiding that and making it look like only whatever platform is advertising can do whatever feature they're advertising.
 

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SgtFoley said:
Here is the thing. A console will perform far better then a PC with an equal level of hardware. In fact it performs better then many pcs with a much higher level of hardware. If you want to contiue playing games on a pc you are FORCED to upgrade far more frequently then with consoles. That is a fact and you cant deny it.
I can. The problem console gamers run into is they think they are running a game at 1080p in high frame rates when it's often a lower resolution at 30fps with some stuttering. In the mean time a PC gamer is complaining they can't max out settings at 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 with frame rates above 40 fps.

The only games that run poor on PC are terrible ports like GTA4. Games that are developed to run on PC's and consoles will run as well and often better on a PC, plus you will be given more graphical options to ensure it runs smoothly. Consoles on the other hand, you are stuck with stuttering and can't do anything about it.
 

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I do not own a PC anymore and I do not need one. Other then to play games there would be absolutely no reason at all for me to ever buy a PC. Sure mabey PCs were considered necessary five years ago but not anymore. Go on give me some actual valid reasons as to why a pc is basically a necessity. I guarentee I will have a valid counter to every single one.
Gaming is not a necessity, so no, computers nor consoles are a necessity. Yet I don't think you are going to be able to do spreadsheets, word processing, video editing, photoshopping, web design, video encoding, video broadcasting, game design, 3D modeling, power point presentations, databases, heavy statistical calculations, and many more on a console.

If you can do those without a computer and as efficiently, please let me know.
 

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SgtFoley said:
Treblaine said:
Ham_authority95 said:
Why do people still care about PC vs. Console? I don't see the big deal. As long you're having fun, what does it matter what platform it's on?
It's called progress.
It does not matter what platform people play games on because it literally is just a fucking personal preference. Anybody to thinks otherwise is a fucking moron.


Look you are not FORCED to upgrade. Just because a game is released with "Ultra Graphics" and you can only run the game on Very High, that does NOT somehow mean that your PC running Crysis on Very High is equivalent to consoles medium-high settings.

The advantage which that Cheap-PC has over 360/PS3 it will ALWAYS HAVE! It will only change when Xbox releases a new iteration of the Xbox 720 or something which doesn't seem to be any time soon, E3 2010 they said they were half way through the 360's cycle and they don't double-dip.
Here is the thing. A console will perform far better then a PC with an equal level of hardware. In fact it performs better then many pcs with a much higher level of hardware. If you want to contiue playing games on a pc you are FORCED to upgrade far more frequently then with consoles. That is a fact and you cant deny it.
I deny it.

There.

See your problem is you are deluding yourself quite how much consoles dial shit down to get the graphics they have. Running games like Halo 3 at a measly 640p, no Anti-Aliasing and struggling along with 30 frames/sec. Reach has to resort to a ghosting render pathway to get marginal improvements. Killzone 2 sacrificed SO MUCH in terms of frame consistency but mostly in input lag, something verboten with PC games, it was only able to get quite good graphics by sending each frame through three cycles but at 20-30 frames/sec that lead to quarter-second input lag on a single-player game. That is not the weapons "weight" even pulling the trigger it took 1/4 second to register.

I am Comparing price-with-price because really there is no "equal hardware" as Xbox 360 is full of stuff unique to 360 and especially true with PS3 that has a ridiculous amount of software rendering.

YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO UPGRADE!

If you upgraded at the beginning of this generation then you will be able to play every game as well as 360. This. is. a. fact.

8800GT is a very moderate upgrade for the beginning of this generation when it truly started (PS3 + Wii globally launched and some games for 360 that didn't look like ass).
Look what 8800GT can do with Black ops:


This game is running at 1440x900, 2.10x the native resolution of the Xbox 360 / PS3 version of this game. Extra detail environments as well.

It would have to be dialled RIGHT DOWN to 1024x600 to match console's pitifully low standard.

Say you bought an Xbox 360 in 2007, the 20GB model because frankly the Arcade is too hamstrung by no-hard-drive and Elite model was always ridiculously priced. Still at £280 the Premium variant wasn't cheap. But what added costs would be incurred of its life:

Xbox Gold for 5 years = 5x £40 = £200
-necessary 120GB Hard Drive = £80
-Attach rate of 9.0, therefore with £10 premium per game over PC = £90 extra spent for same number of games
-Wifi adapter I had to drill a hole in the floor but I did use Ethernet.
-Play charge kit = £15 (not as expensive as batteries)

Total = £665

Average exchange rate with US dollar since 2007 has been around 1.8 so that's about $1200 to give a more widely understood metric. That is VERY expensive! You could get a wickedly powerful PC for that amount of money.
You do know pretty much every single one of your prices is off right.

Elite xbox 360 was $399 at most back in 2007 and came with a free game.

Xbox Gold is $60 a year = $300
120GB hard drive is not necessary but = $65
PC games are at most $10 cheaper not £10.
Play charge kit was only $10.

So that brings it to a grand total of $784 including five years of xbox gold. There is also the used game market that I am choosing to ignore.
Is there some problem with your browser? Do you recognise that the " £ " symbol means Pound Sterling. The unit of Currency in the United Kingdom. Those prices are definitely accurate and the thing is computer components either side of the Atlantic have always tracked with the exchange rate, so £665 really would have gotten you $1200 worth of computer components.

Consoles really do cost this much. Are you aware of how much you could get if you had not bought into the console scam? I play my PS3 and my PC both plugged into the same screen and it's quite startling going even from the best looking PS3 games to PC games with merely decent graphics, PC is so much better.

PC price-for-price outperforms consoles by an astonishing margin.

You CAN deny it. I'd just like to see you prove otherwise.
 

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lol if you didnt want to start a flame war about this why start?
you have 3k+ posts...havent you already seen topics like this 30 gazzilion times?

The lines are drawn simply, PCs are best overall, however Consoles are good for action / party games that just dont make sence on the PC.
Errr wrong

PC's allow more modification and for FPS and RTS the mouse and keyboard are better controls in general (also flight sims are better if you have a joystick).

Consoles however require no mucking around with hardware/software compatibility and are generally better for racing & action games.

Both have games of all genres that are good and work well on them, so the above generalisations are just that.

Consoles however do have the advantage of portability and thus are easy to take from place to place as long as there's a TV and power outlet about.

I have a PC and PS3 and use them both equally, and the differences are getting so small it's bluring the line quite abit.
Yeah you took me wayyyyy to seriously. I just tire of people starting threads like this because they are pointless.

But as for portability PCs win again. They are called laptops. If you have a micro ATX motherboard and a small case moving that rig is about the same hassle as moving a xbox or ps3.