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DaHero

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Woodsey said:
Yes, it is thriving.

And Bob's video was constructed with poor logic and a lack of information (likely to support his own stupid conclusion).

And the Escapist's news room has taken to producing snide, uninformative and/or downright lying (possibly all 3) articles.

One more strike and I'll be writing the website a very stern letter with my new calligraphy set. Its got flowers on you know.
Can you dot the I's with hearts?
 

mrhateful

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LetalisK said:
mrhateful said:
LetalisK said:
I never understood why people say PC gaming is dieing. Seems pretty asinine.

Maybe everyone is just jealous that we are the Gaming Master Race.
Can't disagree with that statement.

Also I think its important that we flame MovieBob so the escapist can get rid of him... I brought Premium membership to support Zero punctuation, NOT MovieBob.
Erm, no. You'll be gotten rid of before MovieBob will ever be.
Thats assuming I would continue to flame.. no my good sir, that would just be moronic. I did mine and if enough does that then the escapist will get the message.
 

Danceofmasks

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The assessment of $800 for a gaming PC is incorrect.

The question should be, "are you going to have a computer?"
If your answer is "no" then maybe it's valid.
If your answer is "yes" then you should look at how much more a gaming rig will cost as opposed to a word processor/web browser.

In a lot of cases, the added expense of turning a computer into a gaming rig is about $135 for a half decent video card.
 

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mrhateful said:
LetalisK said:
mrhateful said:
LetalisK said:
I never understood why people say PC gaming is dieing. Seems pretty asinine.

Maybe everyone is just jealous that we are the Gaming Master Race.
Can't disagree with that statement.

Also I think its important that we flame MovieBob so the escapist can get rid of him... I brought Premium membership to support Zero punctuation, NOT MovieBob.
Erm, no. You'll be gotten rid of before MovieBob will ever be.
Thats assuming I would continue to flame.. no my good sir, that would just be moronic. I did mine and if enough does that then the escapist will get the message.
MovieBob is great. He just said one stupid thing, that's all.
 

Madman123456

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how ever Im not sure how easy porting is I mean why dont we have red dead redemption or gears of war 2? priacy?
Well, Microsoft is going to take its sweet time to port gears of war. They sell the console and the game after all and they wont have anyone thinking "hey i'll just have to wait for a couple of months and then i can play the game on my PC and wont need to buy an Xbox!"
As for Red dead Redemption, Rockstar sure did a shitty job with the port of GTA4. And it has drm up the posterior.

Normally, i'd recommend getting the PC Version for most games if you can get it.
I may talk a lot about PC gaming being not *that* hard and inaccessible. Building and installing stuff isn't as hard as it used to be.

But to get GTA 4 running decently, you need to jump through several hoops. Rockstar really dropped the ball on that one.

Maybe they wont port red dead redemption because they are so paranoid. The DRM did nothing except annoy People who bought or rented the game (really really annoying) and was a ***** to get off my system. I experiment with Viruses and most of them are easier to remove then GTA 4 and all the software that comes with it.

Maybe the sales for GTA4 where lackluster. I could understand that after several warnings of this drm. Of course, Rockstar will blame it on the pirates.

Now, DRM would be a big fat target for anyone claiming that PC gaming is going to die. Counterargument would be that most DRM is useless and doesn't do anything at all. Wait a week or so and someone will have made a tool to get rid of it.
 

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Now, DRM would be a big fat target for anyone claiming that PC gaming is going to die. Counterargument would be that most DRM is useless and doesn't do anything at all. Wait a week or so and someone will have made a tool to get rid of it.
The Witcher 2 is apparently launching with no copy protection whatsoever.
Let's see how well this particular no DRM experiment pans out, shall we?
 

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Danceofmasks said:
The Witcher 2 is apparently launching with no copy protection whatsoever.
Let's see how well this particular no DRM experiment pans out, shall we?
It'll be pirated to hell but still move enough units for CD Projekt to make happy gurgling sounds. Like a couple of other companies they focus on what they sell not vague proclamations of 'lost sales' and crying into their money bin.
 

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RhombusHatesYou said:
Danceofmasks said:
The Witcher 2 is apparently launching with no copy protection whatsoever.
Let's see how well this particular no DRM experiment pans out, shall we?
It'll be pirated to hell but still move enough units for CD Projekt to make happy gurgling sounds. Like a couple of other companies they focus on what they sell not vague proclamations of 'lost sales' and crying into their money bin.
Pfft. Games get pirated to hell regardless.

What I want to know is if the increased exposure the game gets will actually generate sales.
Heck, I know several people who have already pre-ordered the game because it doesn't have any DRM.

Heck, 3 of my friends bought The Witcher after I lent them mine.

Proliferation sells games.
 

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Alexridiculous said:
Context? Look if you want to bash Bob's opinion you can do so in the comment thread for his video.
If you don't want people to talk about the damn subject, then don't include it in the fucking posts.

From what I see, all you're doing is listing evidence to contradict his statement until you toss out the generic "wut u think" sentence so you don't get hammered from a no-discussion thread. So why don't you follow you're own bloody advice and comment in his thread?
He did. That's where the video first appeared.

Then, he made a thread with it because it was buried so deep.

Don't be so hostile.
 

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Zetion said:
So, Im going out on a limb here to ask, why the fuck can`t I game on a TV that doesn`t cost $1200? "Can`t game"?. It games just fine, unless your the type of person that absolutley needs and must have a gigantic 40 inch 1080p plasma. And if your that type of of person, build a PC. You obviously got some money to blow, why not build a kick ass gaming PC station for yourself.

Also, you can use a $360 32` 1080p TV as a moniter/tv combo, but you hit a few roadblocks when you try to use a $500 `30 moniter. PC gaming isn`t dying, it`s becoming more available to a wider audience. It`s too bad that it`s still way out of some people price ranges.
Can't game, meaning most games have text, and that text is completely unreadable on a CRT TV. I would like to be able to see what I'm doing rather than peer at some blur of pixels. Especially since I play a lot of RPGs and I don't generally play shooters, that means there's going to be a lot of text in my games.
And I don't know where you can get a 1080p TV for $300. Certainly not in my country! But I can get a 24 inch widescreen monitor for just over $200. A 30 inch monitor, while nice to have, is complete overkill when you're sitting as close as you do when using a PC. That 24 inch monintor will also give a far higher resolution than a 1080p TV. Trying to use a 32 inch TV as a monitor would look like crap if it's only able to give me 1080 horizontal lines at that size. Hell, my phone gives me better than 720p horizontal lines on it's tiny screen, even if it's not quite up to doing 1080p.
My point being that when you include total costs (PC and monitor vs console and TV) it's no more expensive to game on a PC than it is on a console. In fact it can be cheaper to game on PC if you're willing to buy an older cheaper 3D card that is capable of no better graphics than current gen consoles.
 

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To those worried about GPU lifecycle - graphics have hit a plateau thanks to the consoles, so multi-platform games have been limited for a while now. This means that your graphics card should last you a while.

PC exclusives for the most part stay on the same track, though often times a game will come out like Crysis that'll put even the monster systems to shame. To be fair though Crysis 1 was poorly optimized.
 

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Zetion said:
RhombusHatesYou said:
Zetion said:
So while were on the GPU topic....
ATI/AMD or Nvidia?
You want a good gaming experience or do you like burning money?
Gaming experience.
Then it changes often. Most of the time the best Price V Performance card will be ATI/AMD (although at the moment it might be the nVidia 560Ti, making it 2 in a row for them but AMD haven't released any midrange 6000 series cards yet, so who knows what'll happen then.). For higher end stuff it tends to alternate according to your budget until you reach the Flagship models were they're so fucking expensive you might as well not bother.

nVidia are on top at the moment with pure top end performance and price V performance... but considering they didn't release a single chipset worth pissing on between the 8000 series and the 400 series they're probably due a good run.
 

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Price/performance ratio is currently quite linear, alternating between nVidia and ATI.
So on that note, so long as you don't get anything so cheap it's rubbish, either company will do.

Right this second, however .. the most powerful video card out there is the HD 6990.
Though I expect the GTX 590 to beat it once it gets released, I expect the price to be unreasonably high.
Either which way, high end video cards are a waste of money.
 

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You, sir, have won. I'll also reference your video as well, as there seems to be an on going console vs pc debate going on at my school, and the console fanboy is pulling facts right out of his ass, and denies any argument against him, despite all the SOLID facts and references used. Now I, of course, don't like debating with a rock, but a friend of mine apparently does, so I'll just e-mail this video to him. Thumbs up for you!
 

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Zetion said:
A 6850 seems to be good, though I`d rather wait for bulldoze and the HD 7000 seris to come out. But then some new big thing will be looming and at this point my head starts spinning.
I wouldn't bother waiting for Bulldozer, personally. It looks to be a brilliant design and an excellent new approach but 18-24 months after it's release AMD plan to introduce a 22nm CPU series (BD is 32) so it looks to be heading for an extremely short support cycle, especially faced against the fact that Intel will be releasing it's own Ivy Bridge 22nm CPUs early next year. Looks like 32nm architecture CPUs aren't going to have much time as the dominant CPU.

The HD 6850 is okay but I've found some decent HD 6870s for only AU$30 more than the 6850.

Of course, if I had the momey, I'd buy a HD 6990 wait for the GTX 590 to hit Australia and then run both of them combined in Hydra X mode... of course, that would be near AU$2k in GPUs alone and my current rig cost less than AU$1k... oh and I'd need to buy a new PSU... Grrrr... thank fuck I'm broke as.