PC Gaming is Thriving!

[Dorian]

if you had brought up anything relating to PC gaming yourself I wouldn't have said anything.

Apparently someone has had a very serious brain injury as of late.

 

[Alexridiculous]

Chris if you're looking to get into PC gaming a laptop is a good way to go, but they're still on the expensive side. You can get a good desktop running games at max settings for about 500 bucks. I actually just helped a friend build one for that price and he's playing most games maxed. If you like consoles because you can sit in a comfortable part of the house and play for a long period of time, a desktop can provide that.

 

[Continuity]

What do you guys think about PC gaming?

You make good points and I can't really contradict you as such, however you've overlooked a very important point: namely that multi-platform games are basically console games that can be played on a PC... they're not PC games. Games designed form the ground up, taking advantage of the hardware capabilities of the PC and the control options offered by the mouse and keyboard... they are PC games, and they are dying out.

 

[moretimethansense]

Sorry but unless all companies everywhere are absorbed in to a single conglomarate consoles will never die out, nor will PCs, they will certainly change but never die.

Also, PC gaming never was all that popular in Japan compared to the west, you can't look at one nation's preferances and declare "way of the future!" it just doesn't work that way.

The change is exactly what both I and Bob are talking about. Both current forms of each are gonna to change into something new. Gamers cannot keep splitting its user base so much. It be like having VHS, DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-ray all be equal and trying to compete with each other, and you could only make your movie for some of them!! Movies could not survive like that and neither can gaming.

And I am not looking at one nation and declaring "Future" I am using they're change in this generation of gamers as an example of how things cannot stay the same and will change. That example is a possible future of samll "smart" device for everyone and maybe a dedicated "everything" box for the tv, i.e. games, movies, tv, all on one box.

As a hardcore PC gamer for longer than the average escapist user has been alive, believe when I say I love me my PC gaming. Is Bob completely in touch with PC gaming? No. but he is correct when he says things are going to be different.

Many developers and "experts" have publicly stated that the next console gen is the last one. It is only reasonable to also see the writing on the wall for the PC as we know it, look at your phone, your tablet, your laptop, its all a changing. Me personally I roll with a mATX hooking up to a projector. This is what I believe the future of gaming will be, more HTPC/gaming device, streaming, etc. hooked up to the TV. Go look at your non-gaming households, many are getting rid of their PCs in favor of "smart" devices and laptops, the PC as a standalone dedicated box is dying, ready to start its future as a media center. This is what Bob was saying if you paid attention instead of going "how dare he tell me my PC is dead" Hell look at the title "PC Gaming is Dead, Long live PC Gaming" --notice the Long Live part?

Your VHS - DVD - BluRay comparison doesn't really work, with those mediums you have a standard recording medium that multiple manufacturers can make a device to run.
With consoles you can only get them from a single manufacturer, which developers need to get permission from in order to make media for it.
They simply don't compare.

 

[LetalisK]

I never understood why people say PC gaming is dieing. Seems pretty asinine.

Maybe everyone is just jealous that we are the Gaming Master Race.

 

[Elamdri]

I actually never viewed PC gaming as "Dying" but rather consoles slowly becoming more and more like PC's.

I think MovieBob's point was that "PC" is becoming a less easily definable term. I mean, in my daily life, I have my Smart Phone, Tablet, Console, Laptop, and Desktop, all of which in some varying function can be viewed as Personal Computers, and all of which play games.

If anything is DYING, it's the Desktop, not the PC. The PC is just evolving.

 

[Mad1Cow]

I think what MovieBob was referencing is that in the long scheme of things, PC gaming has reached it's peak and is heading down hill. Steam is keeping it up alive for now but when that falls through, it's following will decrease severly. Not only that, but setting up a PC game as apposed to a console game is so much harder to do for the "casual" market, that may be venturing into other types of gaming.

Now I agree with most of you, I think PC gaming is beautiful and I'm an avid follower, but in the long scheme, if you could do everything that you can do on your PC on your phone, you're probably gonna be using your phone. Really it's only avid gamers that think I WANT A GOOD PC TO PLAY GAMES (me being one of them). I think what he was digging at is that technology is evolving to more portable means and an almost unbelievable rate. Within the next few decades, PC gaming, the proper stuff, where you sit down in front of your glossy moniter with your headphones on screaming BOOM HEADSHOT!!! That's going to disappear or migrate. Heck something you may see (probably not but anything can happen right?) is that consoles or games will be integrated into TVs. If we get a repeat of the Wii again, only having it's sales increase by a lot, TV companies like Sony may think "Well what if we just gave them a TV that could play games?". Also Sony are due for a comeback in the next decade so that's just a farfetch'd prediction of mine, scrutinise if you must.

Have to say though, it does seem he was just trying to spark loads of criticism over the forums...

 

[Alexridiculous]

>PC`s Cheap to put together.

PS3 $299
Decent Gaming Rig 600-800. And thats for some low end PC.

It's not for everyone, but it's cheaper than it's ever been. Most would see it as a worthwhile investment as you can do stuff other than games on a PC.

Not to mention you're going to need a television for that PS3

 

[Hector Haddow]

>PC`s Cheap to put together.

PS3 $299
Decent Gaming Rig 600-800. And thats for some low end PC.

it depends on your country a low end pc (that will play most multi platforms) is about £300-400 (i dont know about pre biult ones i biuld my self) but a PS3 is £300 so unless i impotrt form the states the cost diferance is neglagable but a pc has games and more and more still while a ps3/xbox360 has nothing the pc doesnt have in abundance simpl the pc will always be here and will ou last any console due to the simple fact that you dont have to replace the whole rig every time you want to upgrade

 

[Pielikey]

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I think you forgot sssssssssssssssomething.

 

[Delusibeta]

>PC`s Cheaper to put together than a few years ago.

PS3 (excluding HDTV) $299
Decent Gaming Rig 600-800. And thats for some low end PC (that still runs most modern games on at least Medium, plus Office, iTunes, internet, Netflix, blah, blah, blah).

Fix'd it for you.

PCs have been considerably cheaper to put together, but he never said "PCs are cheaper than consoles".

 

[Andy03]

>PC`s Cheap to put together.

PS3 $299
Decent Gaming Rig 600-800. And thats for some low end PC.

First thats your computer, so no need to buy a separate computer.

Then upgrades. When you buy a PS3, you stick with what you get. And then you will have to buy the next one. (assuming there is a next one.) With a PC, you can upgrade the hell out of it. Not all at one time, mind you. Just pieces at a time.


And the games can be a lot cheaper.

 

[Delusibeta]

I think what MovieBob was referencing is that in the long scheme of things, PC gaming has reached it's peak and is heading down hill. Steam is keeping it up alive for now but when that falls through, it's following will decrease severly. Not only that, but setting up a PC game as apposed to a console game is so much harder to do for the "casual" market, that may be venturing into other types of gaming.

Honestly? I'd say that equally applies to console gaming. After all, why buy a specialist box when all the games you want are on your phone?

 

[Vault101]

Moviebobs video has very little room for interpretation. He pretty much stamps certain properties onto a machine that pretty much lives on having no defines property. The PC can be small, it can be large, it can be used to store all your movies and music so the shelves full of DVDs and CDs can be placed in the basement. It can be used to play on a TV, with no-dvd patches you don't even have to pop in the game everytime.
PCs can be cheap, PCs can be expensive.
That is pretty much the one defining feature of the PC, it can be pretty much everything.
Moviebob ignores that and stamps properties onto the PC as platform. Maybe his machine has those, mine does not. My Machine has Properties i wanted it to have. Well, some of them, it doesn't dispense steaks. Yet.

Also he fails to acknowledge that the PC has been "dying" since 1985. Whats different now?

One might argue that a future awaits us where there are no more PC exclusives and games for the PC are released only after they have been converted from the console versions.
Which would be pretty easy if you're going from Xbox version.

If this "second hand" flow of games eventually grinds to a halt, which i think is rather unlikely, why would a company not make a PC version of their game to earn some more money after all, it will take time. Quite a lot of it.

And then we will be in the unforeseeable future, in which consoles are just as likely to die out as PC gaming, as far as we know we could have different all purpose devices which do everything.


One should at least acknowledge other possibilities here.
Moviebob doesn't.
Also, the title is poorly chosen. He knew that this would spawn flames.

In my Opinion, this would be against the forum Rules because of obvious flamebait posting.

After the "hear me out first" came not much but arguments that so obviously don't hold water its painful.


I'm sorry to say that, but i rather dislike the number of threads and posts made about this Video. Because you are feeding the Troll.

good points, I think he was talking about "down the road" which is kind of silly because Id be surprised if there was no next conole generation at all, if the platforms changed completley

anyway I could live perfectly fine off ports, as long as I can play it im happy

how ever Im not sure how easy porting is I mean why dont we have red dead redemption or gears of war 2? priacy?

 

[infohippie]

in favor of "smart" devices and laptops,

Would people please stop doing this, drawing such a distinction between laptops and PCs? Laptops are PCs. They're just smaller and more portable. They are otherwise the exact same thing.

 

[Defense]

>PC`s Cheap to put together.

PS3 $299
Decent Gaming Rig 600-800. And thats for some low end PC.

It's not for everyone, but it's cheaper than it's ever been. Most would see it as a worthwhile investment as you can do stuff other than games on a PC.

Not to mention you're going to need a television for that PS3

It's implied that everyone who is in the market for a gaming console already has a television, and we're talking about the price for a dedicated gaming console.

Even then, it would be much cheaper overall when you add in things like Valve Steam sales. The hardware is nothing without the software after all.

 

[Mr. Omega]

In response to the video:
A very well constructed arguement and overall nice video. I'd like to see more.

My thoughts on the matter:
PC gaming is not "dying". It's in a state of transition. In a sense, it's the old ways of PC gaming that are "dying".

Even 2 or 3 years ago, the idea that a laptop could be a viable way to play big games was unthinkable. The idea that smartphones could have a sucessful game market, casual as it is at the moment, was laughable. PC Gamers were bitching left and right that the triple A industry abandoned them (and to a lesser degree, they still do). PC gaming was forever tied to the image of the customized desktop computer, guys sitting in big chairs with systems bigger than they are running the games. But with laptops able to run the new games, smartphones being able to fill your smaller urges, and almost EVERY device able to go on the internet now, the desktop PC is losing it's purpose. It's not that PC gaming is dying. It's that the image of PC gaming is changing. Some just have trouble telling the difference.

As to what we all know started this:
In defense of Bob, I think that was the general idea of what he was saying: it's not PC gaming that's dying, it's that the day of the desktops are numbered. Some fanboys people just didn't look past the title and had their responses mentally prepared before the video was even half over. However, the way he worded it and set up the video (the title and pretty much the first 30 seconds) wasn't doing him any favors...

This entire arguement is the result of a failure of communication, some VERY poor choices of words on someone's (we know who) part, and PC Fanboys being WAY too defensive about the state of PC gaming (Seriously, this isn't the first time someone's made a statement like this. CALM THE FUCK DOWN).

 

[infohippie]

>PC`s Cheap to put together.

PS3 $299
Decent Gaming Rig 600-800. And thats for some low end PC.

First thats your computer, so no need to buy a separate computer.

Then upgrades. When you buy a PS3, you stick with what you get. And then you will have to buy the next one. (assuming there is a next one.) With a PC, you can upgrade the hell out of it. Not all at one time, mind you. Just pieces at a time.


And the games can be a lot cheaper.

And don't forget to add in the $1200 to $3000 (or more) for a decent 1080p TV to the console's price. There's a lot of people who still have their old standard def TV, and you just can't game on something like that. Then there's those of us who don't own a TV at all. You can't play a console without a screen, and TVs are a lot more expensive than monitors, partly because you sit a lot further back from a TV, so the screen size needs to be much bigger.


Edit: Oh, I see a few people have already made that point, sorry.

 

[mrhateful]

I never understood why people say PC gaming is dieing. Seems pretty asinine.

Maybe everyone is just jealous that we are the Gaming Master Race.

Can't disagree with that statement.

Also I think its important that we flame MovieBob so the escapist can get rid of him... I brought Premium membership to support Zero punctuation, NOT MovieBob.

 

[LetalisK]

I never understood why people say PC gaming is dieing. Seems pretty asinine.

Maybe everyone is just jealous that we are the Gaming Master Race.

Can't disagree with that statement.

Also I think its important that we flame MovieBob so the escapist can get rid of him... I brought Premium membership to support Zero punctuation, NOT MovieBob.

Erm, no. You'll be gotten rid of before MovieBob will ever be.