PC GAMING MASTER RACE, ASSEMBLE!!!! First time PC builder here, how does this rig look? - UPDATE #4

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pokepuke said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/77LDmG - $992.58 with 4590 and 1TB HD
This is a great build for under $1000.

The SSD you wanted was really the biggest issue towards building a great gaming rig. It's still considered a luxury product for budget builds. I'd go for this. Unless you plan to overclock your CPU. Because i5-4590 is locked. So is the motherboard. But it's still a terrific build.
 

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That's pretty solid. I'd really keep the SSD and as has been said, take it up to 256. If you can take 4 RAM sticks I'd bit the bullet and buy them all now so you can get the best possible match.

Also I don't see a custom cooler on there. Were you going to OC/Overvolt?
 

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Adam Jensen said:
pokepuke said:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/77LDmG - $992.58 with 4590 and 1TB HD
This is a great build for under $1000.

The SSD you wanted was really the biggest issue towards building a great gaming rig. It's still considered a luxury product for budget builds. I'd go for this. Unless you plan to overclock your CPU. Because i5-4590 is locked. So is the motherboard. But it's still a terrific build.
Admittedly, I'm quite liking it too. I do wonder how it handles multiple programs running at once compared to the fx-8320 (main reason I'm wanting to go duel monitors, after all), but CPUBoss shows it having much higher performance per core, which should make it better at straight-up gaming if not overclocked (which I don't intend on doing). It also doesn't appear to require a BIOS update at all, making things more convenient.

The one thing I do disagree with is the HDD though. I decided to do a bit of research on HDDs after seeing pokepuke's post, and what I ended up seeing was that Seagates - the Barracuda brand in particular - really are much more prone to breakdowns, with Western Digital and especially Hitachi HDDs being pretty reliable overall. HDD failure has been by far the biggest problem I've had with my laptop, having gone through 2 of them during the past 3 years and with my current one being a paltry 111GB. As much as poke swears by Seagate and he does likely know more about computer parts than I do, I'm just not willing to take a chance with SG at this point. Fortunately, I found a similarly-priced 1TB Western Digital HDD that looks pretty good. What do you all think of it?: https://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex

As for the SSD, it is indeed a luxury item and one I may very well just skip out on. The main reason I've been thinking of it though is that I really like the idea of having the OS on it's own drive, especially after my history with HDD failures. I could of course go with a regular HDD, but if I'm going to spend money on a second storage unit then it seems like I might as well go all in and buy a SSD instead, to save me money and trouble down the line. Both the fx-8320 and i5-4590 rigs are a bit over budget though (i5 rig is now at $1022), so doing such would really break the budget. Fortunately, it'll be a couple months at least until I actually order the parts and build the thing, so I'll be able to decide then if I want to raise the budget for an SSD then. Who knows, maybe things will be cheaper by then.

Anyways, I think it's about time for update #4. Gonna post both rigs to try to get more feedback if I can from here. Fuck, this is making me excited, especially after I found out how badass that 970 actually is. XD

Thanks for all the help again, everyone, and feel free to give any more recommendations you can think of! :)

EDIT: Some part of me is also wondering if a 500w PSU will be enough. What are your thoughts on Poke's PSU recommendation?
 

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I simply like the idea of having a bunch of paste around for future uses, including possibly helping others build their own rigs. It's not meant to be used all at once. Also, Pink pony is best pony :p (when written correctly, anyways <_<).
Even if you install a new cooler once per week you won't get through a tenth of it before it goes bad. Besides, when it comes to thermal paste, you should always stick with the well known brands. It has a big impact on CPU temperatures, and getting the cheap stuff can be even worse than not having any paste at all. In my opinion (and experience), getting 200 grams of thermal paste for 15$ is a very bad idea.
Good point, and something I wasn't aware of. What would you recommend for paste then?
Arctic Coolings "Arctic Silver" brand is a good bet. Read some reviews of the different types you can get.
Also, you don't strictly need to buy Windows. There's other ways of getting an OS.
How's this paste look?: https://pcpartpicker.com/part/arctic-cooling-thermal-paste-mx2r

Zipa said:
There is nothing wrong with blu ray drives themselves, however you do need extra software to be able to play them most of which you have to pay for. Something like Windows Media Player or iTunes won't be able to play them.
Yeesh. Looking up on good Blu-Ray programs leads to everything pointing to CyberLink PowerVD as the most practical option, and I really don't like that program. My laptop came with that installed and uses that as the default DVD player, and every time I try watching a movie it fucks with the computer's colors and just all around sucks. Maybe it's a crappy, outdated version of the program, but for now I'm probably going to bump things down towards a regular DVD drive until I know of a more reliable program for Blu-Rays or if I find out modern versions of PowerDVD aren't as crappy as my laptop's version. Fuk dat shit!
For what its worth I do use the 2013 version of Cyberlink and it has worked without problems for me.
 

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V da Mighty Taco said:
Some part of me is also wondering if a 500w PSU will be enough. What are your thoughts on Poke's PSU recommendation?
Well it's a Corsair PSU. It should be a quality product. As always, google it.
I don't know about the wattage. New CPUs and GPUs are very power efficient, so it's probably enough.
As for HDD's, Hitachi is quite good. One of my HDD's is a 7 year old Hitachi 500Gb. Works like a charm. But I've never had issues with either Western Digital or Seagate. It all comes down to some luck.

This video is relevant for PSUs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqThn3C-zg4

V da Mighty Taco said:
Fuck, this is making me excited, especially after I found out how badass that 970 actually is. XD
Oh yeah, it's badass. And I've always loved research before purchase when it comes to building a PC. It is exciting...for geeks. Which is what most of us on this website are.
 

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Adam Jensen said:
V da Mighty Taco said:
Some part of me is also wondering if a 500w PSU will be enough. What are your thoughts on Poke's PSU recommendation?
Well it's a Corsair PSU. It should be a quality product. As always, google it.
I don't know about the wattage. New CPUs and GPUs are very power efficient, so it's probably enough.
As for HDD's, Hitachi is quite good. One of my HDD's is a 7 year old Hitachi 500Gb. Works like a charm. But I've never had issues with either Western Digital or Seagate. It all comes down to some luck.

This video is relevant for PSUs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqThn3C-zg4
Decided to do a bit of research on it (thanks for the vid, btw) and kept coming across Seasonic and XFX as two of the best manufacturers of PSUs (especially Seasonic). Found a 550w XFX PSU with a +12v@44A output and an 80+ Bronze certification for around $50, though actual reviews of that specific model are hard to find. Many of XFX's other models seem to review very well however, though I'm still too new to really understand what makes a good PSU other than efficiency.

What are your thoughts on it, and how well will the volt-ratings work with the rest of the rig (the GTX 970 in particular)?: https://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb9
 

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Adam Jensen said:
V da Mighty Taco said:
Fuck, this is making me excited, especially after I found out how badass that 970 actually is. XD
Oh yeah, it's badass. And I've always loved research before purchase when it comes to building a PC. It is exciting...for geeks. Which is what most of us on this website are.
You're as bad at re-editing your posts as I am. Yay for the Late Edits Club! We have nachos in the corner. XD

You should have seen my face when I went to GPUBoss to compare the GTX 970 to the R9 270 (let alone the 750ti), then found the 970 hanging out in the "High-End" sections of numerous lists of GPU benchmarks. This will be fucking awesome, especially after having been on this shitty laptop for so long.

Captcha: "come what may" I think Captcha's trying to scare me.
 

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V da Mighty Taco said:
Decided to do a bit of research on it (thanks for the vid, btw) and kept coming across Seasonic and XFX as two of the best manufacturers of PSUs (especially Seasonic). Found a 550w XFX PSU with a +12v@44A output and an 80+ Bronze certification for around $50, though actual reviews of that specific model are hard to find. Many of XFX's other models seem to review very well however, though I'm still too new to really understand what makes a good PSU other than efficiency.

What are your thoughts on it, and how well will the volt-ratings work with the rest of the rig (the GTX 970 in particular)?: https://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb9
That should be an alright PSU. Especially for that money. Can't go wrong with an XFX.

With this build you should be able to play The Witcher 3 on High or even Ultra when it comes out.
 

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Adam Jensen said:
V da Mighty Taco said:
Decided to do a bit of research on it (thanks for the vid, btw) and kept coming across Seasonic and XFX as two of the best manufacturers of PSUs (especially Seasonic). Found a 550w XFX PSU with a +12v@44A output and an 80+ Bronze certification for around $50, though actual reviews of that specific model are hard to find. Many of XFX's other models seem to review very well however, though I'm still too new to really understand what makes a good PSU other than efficiency.

What are your thoughts on it, and how well will the volt-ratings work with the rest of the rig (the GTX 970 in particular)?: https://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb9
That should be an alright PSU. Especially for that money. Can't go wrong with an XFX.

With this build you should be able to play The Witcher 3 on High or even Ultra when it comes out.
So +12v@44A should be good then, especially for the 970? It won't ruin any rails or anything like that?

Another question, if you don't mind. How good are Sandisk SDDs? I've noticed some 128GB models on PCPartPicker that went from $70 to $96. They're a brand that I've heard of before thanks to them sponsoring that Starcraft Invitational a while back, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're quality. I'm just wondering in case I do decide to bump up the budget to fit in a light SSD.
 

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Oh yeah, it's not a problem.

I don't know about Sandisk SSDs. But they seem to be everywhere these days. The only SSD's that I know you should avoid are Kingston SSD's. They tend to suck.
 

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128MB hard drive for the OS for now; there are programs that will let you copy a Windows installation onto an SSD without any sort of issue.


damn son, that is one compressed windows installation :D
Why? It'd fit fit perfectly fine [https://support.microsoft.com/kb/138349]. You'll likely be left with about half the space. You don't really need those gimmicks like Windows Aero and such shit, right?
 
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DoPo said:
gmaverick019 said:
The Rogue Wolf said:
128MB hard drive for the OS for now; there are programs that will let you copy a Windows installation onto an SSD without any sort of issue.
damn son, that is one compressed windows installation :D
Why? It'd fit fit perfectly fine [https://support.microsoft.com/kb/138349]. You'll likely be left with about half the space. You don't really need those gimmicks like Windows Aero and such shit, right?
that webpage still exists??!?!.....

Typical hard disk space required to upgrade to Windows 95: 35-40 MB


the fact that someone was upgrading to windows 95 when this page was around...makes my insides laugh. I'm not sure if this makes me feel old or young.
 

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difficulty running games at 120 fps at 1080p even in medium settings.
Wouldn't that be bad for the monitor? Plus I thought it was impossible to notice any difference past about 60 fps?
I don't see how that would be bad for the monitor and the answer is that's not true. You can easily see the difference. I'll admit I was skeptical at first, but once I hooked up the right cable (needed Display Port, standard HDMI can't send that much data) I noticed the difference immediately. Even while I'm typing this post, I can't help but move my cursor around. It slides like butter at 144Hz almost making it look 3D. Whether or not that's worthwhile is a matter of opinion

A terabyte for your hard drive might be overkill. I think you might be able to save a few dollars going for a 500GB drive, or just investing in a single larger solid-state drive. You can get two of these SSDs, adding up to 256 GB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8864223&Sku=TNQ-102297328 for the same price as you're looking to buy that SSD and HDD for, though you'll also need to get a 2.5" to 3.5" mounting kit, but those aren't extremely expensive.

It's just that I can't really see anything that you'd need that much space for.
That sounds like a terrible idea. I go through hard drives like toilet paper. I'm using 400gb of my 500GB hard drive in my laptop and I barely have a 10th of my Steam games installed. Plus random programs, stand alone indi game/gog installers, books, music, videos, Linux distros, etc. And unless you're raiding, 2 hard drives (both the same size, not a data drive and OS drive) would be a pain in the ass to manage. Plus using SSD's as the only drive is dangerous. Hard disks usually warn the user before failing and can be recovered. When an SSD dies, its done. And using them all the data writing will significantly shorten their life span

And to avoid confusion for the OP, most decent cases (the Phantek, NZXT) come with hard drive sleds that can hold both 2.5 and 3.5 hdds
 

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DoPo said:
gmaverick019 said:
The Rogue Wolf said:
128MB hard drive for the OS for now; there are programs that will let you copy a Windows installation onto an SSD without any sort of issue.


damn son, that is one compressed windows installation :D
Why? It'd fit fit perfectly fine [https://support.microsoft.com/kb/138349]. You'll likely be left with about half the space. You don't really need those gimmicks like Windows Aero and such shit, right?
Windows Aero? Who needs more than a browser these days? [http://www.browserlinux.com]
 

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gmaverick019 said:
Typical hard disk space required to upgrade to Windows 95: 35-40 MB
More req said:
4 megabytes (MB) of memory (8 MB recommended)
One 3.5-inch high-density floppy disk drive
VGA or higher resolution (256-color SVGA recommended)
Hmm, I think I may need to upgrade my memory. While I'm at it, I may as well get those new fangled tinly 3.5 inch floppies. Although, I think it's just a fad - clearly an 8 inch one would fit more stuff, since it's bigger.

PoolCleaningRobot said:
Windows Aero? Who needs more than a browser these days? [http://www.browserlinux.com]
Pfft, 93 megabytes? That's bigger than Windows 95. I reject your (frankly, insulting) offer, good sir! I also raise lower you 50MB [http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/]
 

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DoPo said:
PoolCleaningRobot said:
Windows Aero? Who needs more than a browser these days? [http://www.browserlinux.com]
Pfft, 93 megabytes? That's bigger than Windows 95. I reject your (frankly, insulting) offer, good sir! I also raise lower you 50MB [http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/]
NO! ITS NOT POSSIBILE!

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DoPo said:
gmaverick019 said:
Typical hard disk space required to upgrade to Windows 95: 35-40 MB
More req said:
4 megabytes (MB) of memory (8 MB recommended)
One 3.5-inch high-density floppy disk drive
VGA or higher resolution (256-color SVGA recommended)
Hmm, I think I may need to upgrade my memory. While I'm at it, I may as well get those new fangled tinly 3.5 inch floppies. Although, I think it's just a fad - clearly an 8 inch one would fit more stuff, since it's bigger.

PoolCleaningRobot said:
Windows Aero? Who needs more than a browser these days? [http://www.browserlinux.com]
Pfft, 93 megabytes? That's bigger than Windows 95. I reject your (frankly, insulting) offer, good sir! I also raise lower you 50MB [http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/]

stahp guyz, we're getting into the meta game here, don't make me pull out the legendary OS's.
 

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Off Topic: One last thing, are their any thin Mechanical Keyboards anyone could recommend? I'm so used to being on a laptop that large, spaced-out keys would feel weird to me. This one's not a big deal, but I'm curious nonetheless. Volume buttons would be a must, though.
Mechanical keyboards, the "gaming" variety at least are...honestly, overly expensive right now. I use a cheapo membrane board (Sidewinder X4) and, frankly, prefer the squishier feel and the lack of CLACKCLICKCLACKCLICKCLACK whenever I'm on Skype or a phone call or whatever.

You'd be hard pressed to find a decent one under $70. If you're cool with that, then CM Storms or Corsair are good places to look.
UPDATE #4: New Intel rig that runs a i5-4590, courtesy of [user]pokepuke[/user]. Still looking at the fx-8320 rig as well, but the i5-4590 does seem like a notably better processor. Unfortunately, the latter rig involves removing the SSD outright as well as dropping from a 600w PSU to a 500w one instead. Anyways, feel free to compare the rigs as well as giving me any more advice that you come up with. Thanks again, everyone!

AMD FX-8320 build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FfdXhM

Intel i5-4590 build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/TrgwCJ
These look like good builds!

I'd go a bit cheaper on the case, ie. Xion 980 or Corsair Graphite. Anything with a decent rating/cooling potential that fits your parts, really.

And, unless you're planning to massively increase the power requirements of your PC, ie. crossfire/sli or adding a bunch of other hardware, a 500-550 watt will serve you just fine.

As for the processor? I'm running an i5-2500k OC'd to about 3800ghz from a couple years back and it's still having no difficulty, whatsoever, with 1080p gaming. I'd go with the AMD in this case, due to the sheer price/performance ratio. Those are excellent chips and it'll last ya for quite some time.
 

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I'm not big on ASRock. The i5-4590 is a good CPU, but I have concerns about how future-proof it is. Whether or not you go with the AMD rig or the Intel one depends on your interest to eventually overclock the processor. I *think* this i5 is not unlocked (Google says so, at least), so you're stuck with Turbo for the 3.7 Clock. The 8320 also offers better price-to-performance ratio. Either way, if you do go with the 8320 with the intent to later overclock, I'd suggest switching over to an ASUS motherboard for better stability.
 
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V da Mighty Taco said:
Yep, looking to build my first gaming rig hopefully within the next few months, within the $800 - $1000 range without monitors or peripherals. Decided to go to r/buildapc for some help on this, and wound up with this about a week an a half ago (the price of the whole thing seems to have gone up by about $90 since I originally did this): http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GWYZWZ
UPDATE #4: New Intel rig that runs a i5-4590, courtesy of [user]pokepuke[/user]. Still looking at the fx-8320 rig as well, but the i5-4590 does seem like a notably better processor. Unfortunately, the latter rig involves removing the SSD outright as well as dropping from a 600w PSU to a 500w one instead. Anyways, feel free to compare the rigs as well as giving me any more advice that you come up with. Thanks again, everyone!

AMD FX-8320 build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FfdXhM

Intel i5-4590 build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/TrgwCJ
I built all of my PCs in the past and my four year old rig still runs strong with only some minor upgrades on my part. So I can't comment on the newest hardware but I can comment on some general issues you should look out for. The most important point being: know what you want your rig to be for.

If your rig is like mine an entertainment/workstation that I use for a variety of things you don't necessarily need the best performance in terms of games but also a decent smoothness when you work with your OS or simply enough storage space for all your stuff. Since I assume that you also work on your PC, do research, program or whatever I'd keep a diverse approach in mind and don't go for ultra gaming specific stuff.

* Mainboards: the heart and soul of your rig and you really should do research and pick quality products here. And that's not to say you should pick the best quality gamer mainboards out there but look for well received boards in the mid-price range. Read: for instance, if you know that you don't have the money for two graphics cards right away I'd not bother to pick SLI which usually entails pricier mobos that rarely mandate the initial investment. In terms of manifacturers I'd vouch for MSI or Asus, they usually make good-quality products.

* SSD/HDD: An SSD offers a lot of smoothness and fastness when you work with your OS and install it on your SSD. Me doing so has led to a performance gain that I can only compare to the advent of dual-core processors (i.e. your system not freezing each time a process decided to die on you and fully occupy the CPU in that case). So I definitely recommend it, however I would go for an, at least, 128Gb version if possible - with 64Gb I'd likely run into space problems with all the additional programs I, for instance, also put there to maximize on the performance gain. Games usually only benefit in terms of loading times so it won't be that useful for gaming alone afaik. Given your budget, I'd hence go for the 1Tb HDD but definitely upgrade with an SSD later. Trust me, you'll need the space of the 1Tb HDD. For reference, I'm currently running an 128Gb OCZ Agility3 and 2x Seagate 1Tb HDDs, all of which are about half-full with School/Uni Stuff, Movies, Mp3s, Savegames, Mods and about a hundred games from my Steam Library :3

Also keep in mind that whenever you have an SSD install the latest drivers from your manifacturer: SSDs requires special maintenance on the OSs part that Win7 has natively but a more hardware-specific version supplied by the manifacturer is desirable.

* Custom Coolers: it seems you are going for a boxed cooler which I'd not recommend. I've used boxed coolers twice, each time they led to overheating after a time (despite me cleaning them routinely) and were loud as hell. Don't buy a boxed CPU and go for a custom one instead whose cost may even lie within the order of the savings from buying an unboxed CPU or may only make for a small additional investment. For reference, I've made some really good experiences with custom coolers from Arctic Cooling.

* Tower: You may find cheaper ones with the same quality out there. I'm currently using this one [http://www.alternate.de/Sharkoon/Nightfall-USB3-Geh%C3%A4use/html/product/970199?] which looks gorgeous under my desk and costs about 75-80 $ if I gauged correctly. Keep in mind, though, that this is a medium-sized tower which offers enough space for my stuff but already gets kind of cramped with the stuff I have in there. Still, should be enough for your needs in terms of size, so don't necessarily go with a larger one. Be careful when looking for cheaper ones, though: you will want to find a good quality tower that offers easy installation/upgrading and some help with all of the cables inside. It's really a boon to have.

* PSU: I've worked with very expensive ones and I've worked with budget ones. In the end, the budget ones died on me far too quickly for instance due to a broken switch in my multiplug and may have damaged my hardware. Definitely look for bronze or better certified PSUs - they protect your hardware better and provide an overall more stable working environment. In terms of wattage I usually go for a higher power one to secure upgradeability and some more space for my system in terms of power.

Can't comment on your CPU or graphics card.

To sum up my thoughts on your builds: recheck the tower, add a custom cooler if you can spare the money, get rid of the SSD but add one later or spend more initially and add one for your OS directly.

Also a general thing to keep in mind when you finally have your rig: don't spare on maintenance! Both software- and hardwarewise. This may or may or may not include: dusting off your rig occasionally and reinstalling your OS occasionally to keep the thing running smoothly and get rid of all the stuff and unneeded software that routinely clogs up your system in time and you are too lazy to manually uninstall and clean out. It really helps to keep your system and performance like its supposed to be.