PC Hardware Thread: Now With 100% More Folding!

Horticulture

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scobie said:
Going to build a gaming PC this summer. I'm looking to spend around six or seven hundred pounds, although I can afford more than that if necessary (up to 1500 but that's pushing it). But I'm not sure how much that translates into in America-money when it comes to buying hardware. It'd be nice to run these at high settings:

Empire: Total War
Dawn of War 2
The Sims 3
Fallout 3

and at least to be able to run STALKER: Call of Pripyat, which sounds like it could have fairly heavy requirements. Any suggestions? No holdovers from a previous machine.

Thanks for all the great advice in the OP, by the way.
Sorry to leave you hanging while I was on vacation...this will run everything on that list perfectly (certainly exceeds the requirements for the next STALKER, but we'll see when it comes out.) If your monitor has a resolution below 1920x1200, you can get away with a cheaper card like a Radeon 4870 [http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?ProductId=27511].

CPU: AMD Phenom II 955 (3.2 gHz quad) [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-955-BlackEdition-Sok-AM3-32GHz-8MB-Total-Cache-125W-Retail]
Motherboard: Sapphite 790gx (AM3) [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Sapphire-PURE-CrossFireX-AMD-790GX-AM3-PCI-E-20(x16)-DDR3-1333-SATA-RAID-ATX-On-Board-VGA]
RAM: 4 gigs Corsair DDR3-1333 [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/4GB-(2x2GB)-CorsairTwinX-DDR3-PC3-10666-(1333)-240-Pin-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-CAS-9-9-9-24]
GPU: XFX Radeon 4890 [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1GB-XFX-HD-4890-PCI-E-20(x16)-3900MHz-GDDR5-GPU-850MHz-800-Cores-2x-DL-DVI-I-HDTV-HDCP-Ready]
HDD: WD 640 gig [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/640GB-Western-Digital-WD6401AALS-Caviar-Black-SATA-300-7200-rpm-32MB-Cache]
Optical: Pioneer DVD-RW [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Pioneer-DVR-217FBK-20x-DVDR-12x-DVDDL-DVDplusRW-x8-RW-x6-SATA-Black-OEM]
PSU: 650W Corsair [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/650W-TX-Corsair-PSU-single-12V-rail-energy-efficient-quiet-and-cool-fully-compatible-5yr-warranty]
Case: Antec Nine Hundred [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Antec-900-Nine-Hundred-Ultimate-Gamer-Case-with-200m-Top-Fan-w-o-PSU]
 

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scobie said:
Horticulture said:
Sorry to leave you hanging while I was on vacation...this will run everything on that list perfectly (certainly exceeds the requirements for the next STALKER, but we'll see when it comes out.) If your monitor has a resolution below 1920x1200, you can get away with a cheaper card like a Radeon 4870 [http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?ProductId=27511].

CPU: AMD Phenom II 955 (3.2 gHz quad) [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-955-BlackEdition-Sok-AM3-32GHz-8MB-Total-Cache-125W-Retail]
Motherboard: Sapphite 790gx (AM3) [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Sapphire-PURE-CrossFireX-AMD-790GX-AM3-PCI-E-20(x16)-DDR3-1333-SATA-RAID-ATX-On-Board-VGA]
RAM: 4 gigs Corsair DDR3-1333 [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/4GB-(2x2GB)-CorsairTwinX-DDR3-PC3-10666-(1333)-240-Pin-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-CAS-9-9-9-24]
GPU: XFX Radeon 4890 [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1GB-XFX-HD-4890-PCI-E-20(x16)-3900MHz-GDDR5-GPU-850MHz-800-Cores-2x-DL-DVI-I-HDTV-HDCP-Ready]
HDD: WD 640 gig [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/640GB-Western-Digital-WD6401AALS-Caviar-Black-SATA-300-7200-rpm-32MB-Cache]
Optical: Pioneer DVD-RW [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Pioneer-DVR-217FBK-20x-DVDR-12x-DVDDL-DVDplusRW-x8-RW-x6-SATA-Black-OEM]
PSU: 650W Corsair [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/650W-TX-Corsair-PSU-single-12V-rail-energy-efficient-quiet-and-cool-fully-compatible-5yr-warranty]
Case: Antec Nine Hundred [http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Antec-900-Nine-Hundred-Ultimate-Gamer-Case-with-200m-Top-Fan-w-o-PSU]
Is there any functional difference between the different manufacturers of Radeon cards?
By and large there isn't a lot of difference between them, however some of the companies will routinely over-clock the GPUs to various levels, they are generally very safely done and they typically added bigger fans and heat sinks to dissipate the additional heat.

They will also occasionally change the RAM

To find out what your manufacturer has done to the card you need to get onto their websites.
 

Horticulture

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scobie said:
Is there any functional difference between the different manufacturers of Radeon cards?
Like megalomania mentioned, some manufacturers overclock the cards and/or swap out the mounted cooler. Warranties also differ by company, so check into those before you buy.
 

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IdealistCommi said:
I need some help:

Is; AMD® Athlon? X2 5200+ 2.7GHz Dual Core 2 x 512KB L2 Cache, Single 512MB GDDR3 ATI® Radeon® HD 4850, 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 2 x 1024MB good for a gaming rig.
The video card is pretty good, the processor and RAM are the weak links. Where are you buying from/what's your budget?
 

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IdealistCommi said:
Buying from: AlienWare.com

Budget: Trying to keep it under $1500. If I can get it under $1200, or mabye $1000, I'll be in heaven. That's going to be hard. though

I could replace the RAM my self though.
Oh, Alienware. Their prices are crazy, even compared to other pre-built PCs. If you build yourself, you can get a comparable system for 1/3 the price. Even if you do buy pre-built, another gaming vendor like Cyberpower [http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/], or even a consumer builder (HP or Dell) will give you a much faster system for the money.
 

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IdealistCommi said:
I also don't fully understand Dual/triple/Quad cores. Does 2.8GHz triple core mean I have 3 2.8GHz cores working together?
Yeah, basically. A quad-core isn't always twice as fast as a dual of the same speed, though. Programs have to be designed to make use of multiple cores, or else adding more won't increase performance. In general, games today usually use 2 or 3 cores fully.

To add to the confusion, different processor types can vary a lot in performance even at the same clockspeed (gHz) rating). So, for instance, a 2.66 gHz Core i7 is actually a little faster than a 3 gHz Phenom II. Look for a PC using either a Phenom II or Core i7 processor-they're the newest CPUs available from AMD and Intel, respectively.
 

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IdealistCommi said:
Oh, I see now.

I looked at CyberPower, and my current computer built has: AMD Phenom?II X4 940 Black Edition Quad-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology, 3GB (1GBx3) PC6400 DDR2/800 Memory, and NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express. The totoal price is $800.

There is a 19" LCD monitor in that price.
Sounds good for the most part. I'd change to 4 gigs of RAM so that you have an even number of sticks (it runs faster in pairs). I'd also upgrade the video card to a GTS 250, since it's the same price. If you haven't already, grab one of the power supply upgrades (500 watts should do it)...it's really better to play it safe there, since an overloaded PSU can take down your whole system.
 

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IdealistCommi said:
I made it 600 watts becasue it was cheaper than the 500 watts. It sounds like a dumb question, but do I need a OS? Also, do I need more than 1 video card? That sounds like overkill to me.
You do need an OS (Vista 64 Home+Upgrade Coupon is probably best), but multiple video cards are definitely overkill in anything but the highest-end systems.