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TorqueConverter

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Neither system is superior. You cannot compare the two systems. The PC is the gaming enthusiasts platform while the consoles are the casual gamer's platform. You'd be a fool to compare the two. It's like asking which car is better, a Mustang or a Bugatti veyron? They're worlds apart.

synobal said:
I can't say if an xbox or PC is better. But I can tell you my experience about how the console market greatly effects the PC market. I built my current PC for about 500 bucks a couple years after the Xbox 360 came out.

Since we have had such a long console generation this time around developers are developing to the limits of the 360. So just about anything that you play these days you can play just fine on a PC so long as you built it after the 360 came out and you have a gaming video card in it and not like an integrated card or something terrible like that.

I will likely buy a new computer after the next Xbox comes out, when ever that is and what ever that is.

Typically what I notice is when ever a new generation comes out, everything is about the consoles and everyone says 'ohhh PC gaming is dying blah blah blah' and then towards the end of the console generation PC has 'risen' again and everyone is talking about how great it is.
Couldn't agree more. The best time to buy/build a PC is shortly after the consoles come out. I'm waiting until the next gen consoles and latest Direct x whatever comes out until I get anther gaming PC rig.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
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If that were true, why is it still doing so well? Its really unfortunate that the majority of this forum are PC fanboys. It shows.
I own both systems you great girl's blouse, I was making an offhand joke. Someone is feeling sensitive about their aging 360.
Sarcasm is hard to detect on text :/

And no im not :) The old boys got a few more years yet.
 

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How many more minutes before this thread turns into a giant flamewar?

OT: Saying one is better than another is just an opinion and anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is a fanboy.
 

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360 vs Pc?

Are you kidding?

Is the PC 7 years old? If not, PC is probably better unless you have some sort of "Personal preference" I believe is what people are calling it.
 

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daveman247 said:
TorqueConverter said:
You know, not only casuals buy consoles :/ You said you cant compare them, but you just did...
How did I compare the two? The consoles are causal gaming systems. The PC is a gaming enthusiast system. Enthusiast hardware is not better than casual hardware. If you are a gaming enthusiast then you should use that platform, the PC. This is not a comparison. It is an identification of the systems. It's apples vs oranges. Stating that oranges are orange and apples are red is not a comparison of the the two fruits.
 

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TorqueConverter said:
Yes, but you did compare the users. And you did it again, only "enthusiasts" can use a pc. And "casuals" just use consoles. I would have thought how enthusiastic you were in gaming would be measured by how many games you play, rather than what system you own.
 

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daveman247 said:
TorqueConverter said:
Yes, but you did compare the users. And you did it again, only "enthusiasts" can use a pc. And "casuals" just use consoles. I would have thought how enthusiastic you were in gaming would be measured by how many games you play, rather than what system you own.
A comparison of the demographics is not a comparison of the two systems. In order for one system to be superior to the other the two must be comparable. They are not. I don't compare demographics because they are comprised of people. Casual gamers are best off gaming on consoles. Gaming enthusiasts are best off gaming on PC. It's not about absolutes but rather, which system is best for the user. I'm a causal gamer but I game on PC simply because of the control option. You better believe I'd be gaming on a console if KB&M was an option, as I am a casual gamer. I'd gladly down grade to a causal system if I found that system acceptable.

As a gaming enthusiast you will have certain demands from your gaming platform. It's like any other hardware or equipment driven hobby be it paintball, golf or bass fishing. The enthusiasts will want equipment that provides them with options not found in the entry-level or low-end equipment. Adjustable visual settings, high FPS, multiple control types, backwards comparability with older games, 3rd party control devices, 3rd party voice com, a gaming community of like minded individuals (less children more adults), mods, dedicated servers, access to your hardware and list goes on and on.

The capability brought to the table by the PC should be obvious to any gaming enthusiast. If a gamer doesn't give a shit about the PC's capability and is content to plug and play on a couch with controller then that gamer is not a gaming enthusiast. "Causal gamer" is not an insult. We are the majority and carry the industry on our backs with our wallets and sheer numbers.
 

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Laggyteabag said:
A few years ago I used to think that the 360 was the pinnacle of gaming technology, I used to think that the pad was the best way to play, and I thought that the PC was only for games like World of Warcraft, and FPS games on a PC were a joke and inferior to their console counterparts.
I love how it's past tense, I'm expecting new found knowledge in the rest of this OP.

Laggyteabag said:
Around January last year I purchased a £400 gaming PC (No Monitor or Windows needed), and I only played on it for games such as World of Warcraft, now however I play most of my games on the PC. Today I went back onto my Xbox, and no matter how hard I tried I just found that the pad was so difficult and awkward to control compared to a keyboard and mouse, I just don't see how I played a console. I just don't see any benefits of buying a game for the console any more, they're more expensive, they're harder to control, no mod support, less frequent updates, and they just look plainly worse in comparison. I used to love my 360, but now I neglect it because now its just simply bad.
Mmm, the trick is, to buy a new console 'immediately' when it comes out, then you can justify the total life span as cost/age, the greater the age, the more it works out in your favour, and in the very beginning, consoles are technically cheaper than buying a whole new gaming pc with superior graphics (maybe not equal, but I've never looked at mimicing a console with a PC). for FPS, RTS I think a PC is virtually unmatched in terms of controls, and 90% of the time in graphics, but for platformers, racing games, fighting games, the console seems to be a better seleciton.

Laggyteabag said:
I looked on Wikipedia a few minutes ago and saw that the 360 was released on the 22nd of November 2005, how the hell is it still being supported, its just old! The sooner we move onto a new generation, the better, I just don't see how a 7 year old piece of hardware is acceptable in this day and age.
Well its acceptable because of the (lack of) competition, the PS3 'is' better, in multiple ways, but its a moot point if your favourite games are on the 360, and since there isn't anything better/newer to buy, developers keep making games for the 360/PS3. I agree, it isn't really acceptable, especially when compared to the PC, the consoles sort of lurch forward in very slow and big steps, while the PC runs quickly in tiny steps, which almost always means its ahead, or won't be behind for more than 6-12 months.

Who knows, the 720 and PS4 could be coming as soon as 2013, or as late as 2016, consoles don't make them money, which is all they care about, so as long as they can milk these consoles, they will, until one of them looks like they'll be releasing another console, then we'll finally get something (but don't be dissappointed when it turns out not to be as good as it should be either).
 

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daveman247 said:
TorqueConverter said:
Yes, but you did compare the users. And you did it again, only "enthusiasts" can use a pc. And "casuals" just use consoles. I would have thought how enthusiastic you were in gaming would be measured by how many games you play, rather than what system you own.
While I see how easy it is to misinterpret TorqueConverter's point, I don't think he was comparing the users. It is true that 360s and gaming computers are designed with different fundamentals in mind. A 360 is meant to be able to be played casually, easily. A gaming computer is meant to support tweaks and mods and isn't nearly as plug and play.

He also (and this is an important distinction) never said "only" enthusiasts use the PC, and "only" casual players use a 360. He simply pointed out that a PC often asks for more and has the potential to give more in return. I don't see anything about comparing the users, or even saying that an enthusiast shouldn't use a 360.

I also don't agree with an enthusiast being measured by the amount of games you play. I have friends who play games for hours on a daily basis but do so with a laid-back mindset. I find that to be a far more casual (and I don't use that word as any sort of insult) experience than really analyzing, tweaking, and squeezing my games for everything they're worth. I'd say that passion is what defines an enthusiast.
 

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TorqueConverter said:
Ah, i see. So by enthusiast, you mean take it to the next level. Not just playing games, but messing with them aswell.

That makes sense i guess :) I'm not THAT dedicated.
 

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daveman247 said:
TorqueConverter said:
Ah, i see. So by enthusiast, you mean take it to the next level. Not just playing games, but messing with them aswell.

That makes sense i guess :) I'm not THAT dedicated.
More then just modding or using mods. The ability to play at high FPS like 60+, choose a control type (joystick, game wheel, KB&M or game pad) for the game at hand, adjustable visual settings (FOV and turn up or down make-things-pretty) are all pretty desirable to the gaming enthusiast. They're pretty damn desirable in general but the purchase price of a gaming rig may not justify the capability to a lot of people. Enthusiast equipment is always going to be more expensive and more often than not, bring diminishing returns for you money. The point is that is does bring in some returns. I played competitive paintball for years and shot a $800 marker. I am currently a bass angler and spent $150 on one fishing rod last year. The boat I fish out of was $16,000 used. I have used entry level equipment and an old aluminum boat in the past but when I became an enthusiast I wanted more capable equipment, so I went out and got it.

Enthusiast shit is expensive but not always superior to entry level equipment. Superiority implies that two items are comparable, correct? How else could one draw the conclusion that one piece of equipment is superior to the other without a comparison? If two things, in this case PC and Xbox 360, are not comparable then neither is superior.


This is my argument. Sorry OP, invalid comparison but I'm glad you have found a platform you enjoy as a gamer.
 

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Shawn MacDonald said:
The PC to me is a gaming capsule from the early 90's. Have to say that trying beat something that is designed to do one thing really well is hard. Every game on the Pc that I liked came out years ago and I have not seen anything in awile that I wanted to play besides StarCraft 2. The Xbox and the PS3 have a controller which is the best way to play most games. Even an FPS feels better with a controller, than a mouse and keyboard. Very much depends on what you like to play. All the mods that come out for certain games just don't really add enough for me to buy them on the Pc. So far as graphics go, the PS3 does a damn fine job with most of the games that are on it.
It's hard to argue which control type is superior to another. The consensus is that KB&M is superior to a controller when playing shooters. I disagree. KB&M offers more performance with FPS, or pretty much any shooter, but the preference, something entirely different from performance, is up to the user. Performance is indeed greater with KB&M. Go plug your favorite controller into a PC and play an online multilayer FPS to see for yourself.

Again, the PC has all the controls and they are available by 3rd parties. How is 3rd party an advantage? Competition breeds excellence. There are some controllers out there for PC that are clearly superior to anything the Xbox or PS3 comes with. Logictech and Razor are just better at making control devices than Microsoft and Sony. Again, you have to give a shit about having control options to even make a PC a viable alternative to a PS3. Game consoles exist, and are high volume sellers for a reason.

The PS3 has some issues in the graphics fidelity department. The GPU in that thing isn't so great. Doesn't Skyrim play at like 25 FPS on the PS3? A long as you find your gaming experience to be satisfactory then that's all that matters.
 

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PC. More games, more mods, more patches, less (all be it not all to substantially in many cases) dicks in chat.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Once you go black, you never go back. Since most PC cases are black and all. I dunno man. Whatever.

PC IS BETTER!
I know. I loves me my PS3.

I've played PC games, but I hate them. Using a mouse and keyboard does not feel natural to me.

Sorry if you feel otherwise.
 

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I like PC better in theory but...

-a lot of games are designed with consoles in mind and sometimes get crappy ports to PC
-Console has more exclusives I like
-PC doesn't have split screen (Friends are such casual gamers that they don't even have their own console or game capable PC)
-It's kind of up to you to update software/drivers (looking at you Punkbuster) on your own on PC which is really annoying
-Dedicated servers have their own rules like '24/7 crappy map, no camping, no grenade launcher, no matyrdom, blah blah blah'
-PC elitists that are less tolerant of new players (looking at you Left 4 Dead)
-games on a $1000 PC don't look $800 better than on a $200 xbox
 

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I usaully think of it like this.

The PC is better in most ways however they can be a pain in the ass especially if you are not too good at using them.
Consoles are simple and easy to use, I prefer consoles for my casual gaming needs, when I just want to play something simple i'll play consoles.

My PC is not top of the line, in fact I use a labtop. Whenever I get a new game I need to be sure that it can run on my labtop and I need to go through hoops to get it working usaully. With consoles I just need to put the disk in and click play, I also know that it will work.

Lately I have found myself preferring PC but I really need to upgrade.
 

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Honestly, the only reason I can see to use a console rather than a pc is for split screen multi player. Everything else is technically speaking superior on a decent PC. Higher quality graphics, ultra responsive controls, control mapping, full media capabilities, higher performance of games, shorter loading times, cheaper games (Steam sales destroy the consoles are cheaper argument), mods, more available indie market. I could go on for hours on why I think the PC is a much better platform but I won't. I do agree with the argument presented earlier that consoles are holding back gaming. We have had little improvement in game quality in recent years and until the next generation of consoles hit we will still be restricted. Not to mention the fact that development costs are rising from all the bullshit the developers have to go through to push consoles to their limits without breaking them.

tl;dr
I believe that a gaming pc is much more capable their their ageing console brethren.