people and "Rebellion"

[chadachada123]

Drunk post FTW!

'Aight, so there has been a lot of divergent comment on this so I'm going to respond to the best stuff.

OP: It is perfectly reasonable to expect a social structure and for that structure to be provided and maintained by a ruling body whilst disagreeing and opposing the social structure that is presented by the ruling body. To put it another way; I can dislike grape whilst not disliking the very idea of fruit altogether.

I'd like a zombie apocalypse, because I think that the majority of humans are assholes, and it would be far less stressful to me if I lost almost all of my competition.

Aside from this wishful thinking, I'm also a strong libertarian that disagrees with much of what the US government does. I personally feel that it HAS been far too long since this country has had a violent revolt, but also that a violent revolt wouldn't work very well because of how far gone this country is. Our police forces ARE corrupt and have far too much power and no love for our people (similar to the Egyptian police force, only a couple of levels lower in terms of violence against innocent dissenters). Our citizens are shallow and weak-willed and consistently vote in war-mongers (see: the upcoming election) that want nothing more than to erode more of our freedom and more of our ability to dissent.

I don't want anarchy (though, I'd love if 90% of our population disappeared, that is a separate issue). What I want is for people to question everything. Otherwise, you become content with corruption, and content with our public representatives being in bed with obscenely wealthy businessmen.

Like what is happening right now.

So yeah, several problems here. For a police force to be "corrupt" they would have to be doing stuff like taking bribes and abusing their power. The fellow from Mexico who posted about his burned car offers a handy example of what a corrupt police force actually looks like.

To put it another way that may help you; the police in Syria happily following orders to torture and kill protesters wouldn't actually be behaving in a corrupt manner, merely a morally bankrupt manner.

I think it would be hilarious to explore what it is you actually want from this world with "90%" fewer people but with those happy few posessing "strong wills" and "questioning everything". It sounds like it could be an awfully romantic mountain paradise full of poets, but is it meant to be more a big hammock where nobody tells you to clean your room?

My apologies, I had meant more "morally bankrupt"/"morally corrupt" as opposed to legally corrupt.

90% fewer people is only better because then there's more to go around, less to be greedy over.

In addition, in our current state, men and women are at a serious risk of being randomly targeted by the 'government hate machine' that can seriously harm innocent people's lives, like the thousands of innocent people in Iraq that have been killed by our government. That kind of shit that costs trillions that the citizens didn't agree to.

Without questioning everything, you'll end up being fucked over. Like we are right now.

 

[Doclector]

The government simply do not care for anyone that it's not "profitable" to care about. That's how to run a business, when you're talking about goods and services.

But we are not talking about goods and services. We are talking about people. Human lives.

I'll accept they make tough decisions, but after a while, you see the pattern emerging that they always screw over the little guys. That's how it is in britain, these days.

Besides that, I feel personally wronged by every one of the leaders in my memory. Tony blair was the first prime minister I remember. He opened the scheme of schools that led to me suffering for the majority of my childhood. He even came to our one in particular, one of the first and biggest, saying right there and then that it was a safe place to learn. He's a fucking liar, and a fucking murderer. It'll catch up to him eventually. I've no doubt of that.

Gordon Brown was next. He sold our futures to the banks. Simple as. Never mind the fact that we never voted for him, that he simply came in when blair went out. He showed particular disrespect for young people's needs. He ignored the youth unemployment problem for ages before the recession, ages before older people were added to the dole queues.

Then there's nick clegg and David Cameron. Clegg sold us out. He betrayed us all. He promised a lot, and ended up letting in the complete opposite, just for a bit of power. He's not got any real power, though, so he isn't a threat. Cameron however...Cameron's an eton brat. He's for the rich, by the rich. Worst still, he's completely prepared to sacrifice the future of britain's youth rather than pursue stricter banking laws and actions against tax dodgers.

All of them are morally bankrupt, none of them listened to the public. I've got every right to be angry.

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

Individuals can still be victimized even if it isn't something as harsh as say a concentration camp or being starved. For example when you work for someone they'll typically make large amounts of money off your labor when you only get a very small part of it in your check.

Yes but I believe you where using it in the same context as I.

well depending on context why would I be entitled to any of that money?

if I work in an office am I enetitled to the same paycheck as the CEO? I don;t think so

only if my working conditions and pay are not up to standard

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

No says the man in the White House, it belongs to the poor
No says the man in the Vatican, it belongs to God
No says the man in Moscow, it belongs to everyone

>_> sorry but if we're doing this, we're doing this RIGHT.

OT: Most people who want Anarchy tend to believe they'll still have hospitals, supermarkets and electricity when everyone's in the streets fighting the government, so I try to ignore them.

 

[Blunderboy]

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Why do you rebel against the English language?

I have often wondered this. V101's posts are usually worth a read but I wish it wasn't such a struggle to get there.

Captcha - Question everything.

Oh no! Captcha as joined the rebellion!

 

[Rastien]

Hey guess what im totally being a rebel by not going out and getting shit faced on a friday night with everyone else!

Oh wait... i'm being a rebel but not in a public or attention seeking way? shit guess i'm not a rebel darn.

My feeling on rebels:

 

[Zhukov]

Eh, it's not like any of them do anything about it.

You know things can't be all that bad when a rebellion consists of telling the internet what a misanthropist you are or ranting about the government while smoking a joint in your living room.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I pretty much chalk it up to idiots who have no idea what they're talking about nor the ramifications there of.

 

[Fractral]

Besides that, I feel personally wronged by every one of the leaders in my memory. Tony blair was the first prime minister I remember. He opened the scheme of schools that led to me suffering for the majority of my childhood. He even came to our one in particular, one of the first and biggest, saying right there and then that it was a safe place to learn. He's a fucking liar, and a fucking murderer. It'll catch up to him eventually. I've no doubt of that.

This part of your post stood out to me in particular. If you don't mind (and seriously, if you don't want to talk about it, please don't) could you explain what you mean by the schools making you suffer? I appreciate that it may be something that you don't want to talk about, so again, if you don't want to, please don't.

OT: I guess that our culture makes it seem cool to rebel, so people will always want to be seen to rebel. I see no reason to rebel against the system in my country- while we could definitely do better for a government than the one we have now, we could, and indeed most likely would, be a lot worse off with others in power.

 

[Aprilgold]

Hey guess what im totally being a rebel by not going out and getting shit faced on a friday night with everyone else!

Oh wait... i'm being a rebel but not in a public or attention seeking way? shit guess i'm not a rebel darn.

My feeling on rebels:

I think that was cuter then you wanted it to be.

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The system [insert government party, government, government type, things like congress or legal system here] is not 100% correct, thus the point of rebellion or revolution if its a more extreme case of rebellion. Without it America wouldn't exist, women wouldn't be anything more then glorified sex objects or slaves and our enemies that we conquered in battles would become our slaves.

The issue with what your saying Banjo and Crazy Cat That Eats Birds is that you assume everything that has to do with rebellion is whiny teenage kids complaining about how they can't bring their AK 47s to schools or smoke pot or drive super fast near a school or how they can't destroy others properties. Rebellion, on a basis is trying to change how others see a issue and changing it so that they see the issue more from your point of view then from the medias.

When I think of rebellion I think of people's protests* towards the Vietnam War during that time. They didn't want to throw over the system, they just wanted to stop a mindless war.

In conclusion, your highschool kids yelling "I hate cops/government/school/drinking laws/ driving laws/laws." Are not rebelling against squat, their whining. LEARN THE DIFFERENCE!

*Protests, for all intentsive purposes was most likely the wrong word to use in that sentence. If you can think of a better word, make sure to reply or quote me so that I may change it to something more appropriate.

 

[Rastien]

Hey guess what im totally being a rebel by not going out and getting shit faced on a friday night with everyone else!

Oh wait... i'm being a rebel but not in a public or attention seeking way? shit guess i'm not a rebel darn.

My feeling on rebels:

I think that was cuter then you wanted it to be.

_________________________________________

The system [insert government party, government, government type, things like congress or legal system here] is not 100% correct, thus the point of rebellion or revolution if its a more extreme case of rebellion. Without it America wouldn't exist, women wouldn't be anything more then glorified sex objects or slaves and our enemies that we conquered in battles would become our slaves.

The issue with what your saying Banjo and Crazy Cat That Eats Birds is that you assume everything that has to do with rebellion is whiny teenage kids complaining about how they can't bring their AK 47s to schools or smoke pot or drive super fast near a school or how they can't destroy others properties. Rebellion, on a basis is trying to change how others see a issue and changing it so that they see the issue more from your point of view then from the medias.

When I think of rebellion I think of people's protests* towards the Vietnam War during that time. They didn't want to throw over the system, they just wanted to stop a mindless war.

In conclusion, your highschool kids yelling "I hate cops/government/school/drinking laws/ driving laws/laws." Are not rebelling against squat, their whining. LEARN THE DIFFERENCE!

*Protests, for all intentsive purposes was most likely the wrong word to use in that sentence. If you can think of a better word, make sure to reply or quote me so that I may change it to something more appropriate.

I need to realise sarcasm is really hard to be picked up on the internet, sorry dude didn't mean offense and yeah true rebels are those like Che or even Boudica not your im sad at life kids

-edit *indifferences?

 

[Aprilgold]

I need to realise sarcasm is really hard to be picked up on the internet, sorry dude didn't mean offense and yeah true rebels are those like Che or even Boudica not your im sad at life kids

-edit *indifferences?

No I got it, just I loved the FUCK out of how you did it. The ________ line is meant as a way for me to go to the main topic of the thread after replying / quoting a person.

 

[Rastien]

I need to realise sarcasm is really hard to be picked up on the internet, sorry dude didn't mean offense and yeah true rebels are those like Che or even Boudica not your im sad at life kids

-edit *indifferences?

No I got it, just I loved the FUCK out of how you did it. The ________ line is meant as a way for me to go to the main topic of the thread after replying / quoting a person.

Lesson learnt cheers bro *brofist*

 

[senordesol]

I'm a rebel by nature as I'm intelligent by nature (I speak about Intelligence as above average, not a genius), then I grew up to adapt my rebellious nature to ideological values, makes sense.
Notice how revolution happens in country where the population is not dumb. Dumb (ignorant) people are more likely to have their rights taken because they are easily manipulated by the government.
Notice too that smart babies/kids are the ones who ask a lot of questions and question authority.
Again, notice how conservationism is linked with non conformers, and conservationists have lower IQ than liberals.

Of course if you're intelligent, rich, self centred and live well, then I see no reason to rebel against anything but tax raise.

Maybe in your school, in my school cool kids had nothing to do with rebellion.

Conservationists?

The guys who recycle everything? I'd love to see that study.

Or perhaps there's another study you're thinking of (that would also be worth sharing)?

 

[The Funslinger]

Have you never considered some people have an issue with these systems and thus reject the leading to... ...

... rebellion?

I guess it depends on context...I mean yeah if your systm is legitimatly bad and your willing to pick up a gun or seriosuly rebel through other means..then fine (exepct that never seems to end well)

I think people should be free to do as they wish

I guess what I'm talking about is hypocritical stuff....like calling the police "pigs" but then go running to them when somthing goes wrong

To stretch the topic a little, if I knew someone who was planning an actual revolution, I would ask: Are you trying to bring fairness and equality, or are you just looking to reshuffle the deck?

 

[Ragsnstitches]

I would like to make a distinction between Revolutionary rebellion and Teenage Rebellion,

1 is where a flawed or corrupt regime/order/policy etc that is detrimental to the well-being of society and the interests of the people, and is met with either violence or physical protest.

The other is hormonal.

I let you all figure out which one is which.

EDIT: I should also add that Rebellion can equally spawn from ignorance or misguidance as it can from genuine positive ideals. Not all rebels are altruistic...

 

[senordesol]

I'm a rebel by nature as I'm intelligent by nature (I speak about Intelligence as above average, not a genius), then I grew up to adapt my rebellious nature to ideological values, makes sense.
Notice how revolution happens in country where the population is not dumb. Dumb (ignorant) people are more likely to have their rights taken because they are easily manipulated by the government.
Notice too that smart babies/kids are the ones who ask a lot of questions and question authority.
Again, notice how conservationism is linked with non conformers, and conservationists have lower IQ than liberals.

Of course if you're intelligent, rich, self centred and live well, then I see no reason to rebel against anything but tax raise.

Maybe in your school, in my school cool kids had nothing to do with rebellion.

Conservationists?

The guys who recycle everything? I'd love to see that study.

Or perhaps there's another study you're thinking of (that would also be worth sharing)?

I'm sorry it ain't conservationists. It's conservatives. Language error on my part.

As for the study: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html

Ah Huffington, always a thumping good read
Sucks that we have to pay to see what the data actually says tho

Either way, I just had a chuckle when you said conservationists were dumber than liberals as they are -more often than not- one and the same. XD

Carry on.

 

[Penguinis Weirdus]

Rebellion is important, I'm not talking about teenage "rebels" in this case or even the need to take arms against a corrupt government, but even in nice safe places in the UK or even US you need people to going out there saying "I don't agree so I'm going to protest" because it shows that democracy is working for us (e.g no fear of reprisal for having a different view) or because when people don't give a shit, bad shit goes down and bad laws such as SOPA or ACTA get on to the statute books.
Civil disobedience is important in any state, (not wanton law-breaking such as rioting, even though there are exceptions to that rule), but protests, strikes and even e-petitions all play a part in modern society because they raise issues about things people are worried about, they can remind our politicians who they actually work for.

Though the pillocks people who wish for an apocalypse of any kind, quick question.

How do you believe that you would survive, why not change this world for the better and then only have to play pretend apocalypse because I don't know about you but I like being warm and having the benefits of a modern society, such as booze or computer games or even not having to fear for my life constantly.

 

[Spygon]

There is a reason the good guys are names the rebel alliance its hard to side with an entity that is oppressing.

Also i am British so work that out no please don't my ancestors were assholes that's all you need to know.

 

[Nimzabaat]

Wow, never seen you writing with so many mistakes.

To the OP I ask, what is anarchy?

I'm a rebel, because I disagree with 90% of what my government does. Thinking way back I was always a rebel. It's part of my nature, also a sign of intelligence and non conformism
Being a conformist is the worst since there's also something we can improve.

Rebelling is not a sign of intelligence. Rebellion can happen because of an intellectual advance, but that does not mean that "rah rah fight the power" is by any means inherently intelligent.

Nonconformity is also not a sign of intelligence. It can be a result of intelligence that one stands out from society, but being different does not make you smart.

If you're a rebel "by nature," that means you're not rebelling for ideological or intellectual reasons. It just means you like to stir shit up. Shit stirring does not a visionary make.



Nonconformity: Because all the cool kids do it.

We need to rebel more.

Make me.

As far as rebelling = intelligence. Was anyone around when there was the whole "Occupy" thing going? The "we are the 99% making the 99% (taxpayers) pay more of the 99% (police) to clean up the other 99% (protestors) while the 1% laughs at how stupid the human race is". Yeah that was so very intelligent and effective

 

[Vault101]

I'm not sure what I find worse, those that rebel against anything and everything or those that follow blindly while screaming at others to stay in line.

But seriously, Humans aren't made for modern society, so saying that things are inherently wrong in our society is actually pretty accurate.

what are we made for then?....tribalsim?

I think Id rather have all my nice things and not get married off to pump out children