Out of universe explanation: Actress wasn't availableSaelune said:What happened to Sif? She is just MIA it seems.
In-universe explanation: Sif was banished by Loki before the film.
Out of universe explanation: Actress wasn't availableSaelune said:What happened to Sif? She is just MIA it seems.
That's to do with following a narrative, which the original myth has next to none. I was talking purely visual flair. You could have had some really trippy shit, like the stars falling from the sky, Fenris swallowing the sun, that kind of stuff.Saelune said:Well, I mean, the movie titled 'Civil War' was basically just based off the first sentence of a summary of the entire Civil War arc, and Iron Man 3 took his biggest nemesis and threw him away for some D grade villain.bartholen said:It also bothered me how little they utilized the actual Ragnar?k myth.
Yeah but this is "We're high tech magic aliens" not "We're literally Norse Gods".bartholen said:That's to do with following a narrative, which the original myth has next to none. I was talking purely visual flair. You could have had some really trippy shit, like the stars falling from the sky, Fenris swallowing the sun, that kind of stuff.Saelune said:Well, I mean, the movie titled 'Civil War' was basically just based off the first sentence of a summary of the entire Civil War arc, and Iron Man 3 took his biggest nemesis and threw him away for some D grade villain.bartholen said:It also bothered me how little they utilized the actual Ragnar?k myth.
I enjoyed it as well, though I think that underlying theme of erasing your past was kind of undermined by the ending.BeetleManiac said:Just saw it, really liked it. Surprisingly smart movie too with a consistent theme of coming to terms with the darker aspects of your past.
I agree that they really could/should have utilized the Ragnarok myth a lot more. For anyone who's familiar with how the Norse apocalypse went down, it just didn't FEEL like a true Ragnarok in this movie. I know they couldn't go whole hog and just kill all the main characters, but they hardly killed anyone at all. There was no gigantic war, just a skirmish on the Bifrost, there were no frost giants and only one fire giant, the Valkyries didn't even make an appearance, Fenris was taken out in a pinch and there was no Jormungandr at all, and not one Asgardian god died. It's probably not fair to judge it like that, but I'm too much of a mythology nerd not to.bartholen said:Just saw it today in 3D (only because I could go to that screening straight after work), which proved as pointless as usual. The movie itself is definitely best of the Thor movies by a massive margin. I'd say it's about in the same league as Ant-Man: reliably entertaining and funny without feeling too formulaic. Goldblum is just a riot of ham, Blanchett is in full-blast MILF mode and Hulk works great as the comic relief. Perhaps most refreshingly they finally allowed Thor to go God mode on the bad guys instead of just swinging the hammer. He's supposed to be one of the strongest entities in the Marvel canon, and this film we finally got to see that. I'm hoping we can one day see something on the scale of him destroying an entire fleet of spaceships with his lightning powers in the Ultimates. The synth soundtrack when it was used was great. The move to what I would call cosmic fantasy instead of having him just on Earth was the exact right move.
What took me out was how they seemingly expected me to remember what happened in Dark World, one of the MCU's worst films, and I couldn't for the life of me remember. It also has a smattering of the usual phase 3 movies: too many characters given too little screen time and the film expecting us to care, the flippant tone taking away from the more dramatic scenes (though nowhere near as bad as Dr Strange, since this is a full on comedy), an overabundance of CGI (even if perfectly executed), the action feeling toothless and weightless and a general lack of a sense of threat. When Hela sliced Thor's eye off you could at least have had him shriek in pain, maybe crawl around for a moment. LOTR had decapitations, dismemberment, severed heads, impalement, blood and all that jazz with the same PG-13 rating. Just for once, please, let the characters get hurt!
It also bothered me how little they utilized the actual Ragnar?k myth. Well okay, there's Fenris, Surtr and the army of the dead, but it all feels kinda token. In the myth those are all things seeking to destroy Asgard, not conquer it. There seemed to be some reference to the ship made of dead men's nails with Loki's horns appearing from the mist. I could have used a little more apocalyptic imagery with Surtr to give it proper weight. This is after all a setting the audience should be connected with after three movies.
Also This... dear god this! ^^TheVampwizimp said:I agree that they really could/should have utilized the Ragnarok myth a lot more. For anyone who's familiar with how the Norse apocalypse went down, it just didn't FEEL like a true Ragnarok in this movie. I know they couldn't go whole hog and just kill all the main characters, but they hardly killed anyone at all. There was no gigantic war, just a skirmish on the Bifrost, there were no frost giants and only one fire giant, the Valkyries didn't even make an appearance, Fenris was taken out in a pinch and there was no Jormungandr at all, and not one Asgardian god died. It's probably not fair to judge it like that, but I'm too much of a mythology nerd not to.
To one of your other points; I saw it with my wife, and after the movie I mentioned that I've never seen Cate Blanchett looking so crazy hot, and she looked at me like I was nuts.
I noticed that too.BeetleManiac said:Just saw it, really liked it. Surprisingly smart movie too with a consistent theme of coming to terms with the darker aspects of your past.
Or alternatively there are other possibilities?inu-kun said:(except Sif, since female death are worse than male?)
What you mean 'the Immigrant Song' by Led Zeppelin? Or did you mean something else?Also is it me or did the rip off parts of Wonder Woman's theme and gave it to Thor?
.... WHAT THE FUCK?!And as a dessert that some very clean and multi ethnical ra-*clears throat* refugees, we even have ISIS members rediscovering their humanity once coming back, that's probably the most unrealistic parts of the film.
Lol, and someone who loves anime is criticizing the writing quality of a comic book movie?!?! Heck, anime probably has a lower average writing quality than freaking video games.Vrex360 said:MAXIMUM GOLDBLUM
Like seriously what version of this movie did you see where it ended as an open love letter to ISIS. Tell me please, I must know!
Huh?inu-kun said:we even have ISIS members rediscovering their humanity once coming back, that's probably the most unrealistic parts of the film.
Bah go watch your childish claptrap than. At least I don't find Jesus Metaphors as cringy as The Quips and the Memebaits.Saltyk said:Still better than DC's formula. Dark, edgy, and depressing because that's "adult" and "deep". Also, more Jesus metaphors than the Bible.inu-kun said:First of all the poster for the film is abysmal. Second af all judging from the quotes it seems it is exactly the McDonalds level quality the entire Marvel film universe degrades into. Self aware for the people who come watch feel like they are intelligent for pointing out tropes, banter to please the kiddies and make new memes and mainstream audience appeal so they won't actually need to tell an interesting story.
I would argue that trying to be dark and edgy and depressing for the sake of appearing more mature just ends up making you look more childish.Samtemdo8 said:Bah go watch your childish claptrap than. At least I don't find Jesus Metaphors as cringy as The Quips and the Memebaits.Saltyk said:Still better than DC's formula. Dark, edgy, and depressing because that's "adult" and "deep". Also, more Jesus metaphors than the Bible.inu-kun said:First of all the poster for the film is abysmal. Second af all judging from the quotes it seems it is exactly the McDonalds level quality the entire Marvel film universe degrades into. Self aware for the people who come watch feel like they are intelligent for pointing out tropes, banter to please the kiddies and make new memes and mainstream audience appeal so they won't actually need to tell an interesting story.