Perma-kill a superhero.

[xaszatm]

Superman ... according to Grant Morrison ... Action Comics ... Hulk's most recent comic series... the quality varies ... Any comic by Alan Moore

THIS is the problem with comics. NO continuity, no standards. One guy takes them into this direction, the next guy in another. I mean - Superman can be hurt by a speeding train? When did that happen? That is not in line with the majority of the comics I know. Magic? Seriously? Magic was introduced into the DC universe?

I remember an old comic (when my brother made me read comics, most of them were '70s editions) where Superman and Batman fought - because of red kryptonite, of course. Now there is no way Batman could survive this, but he did. He even survived punches to the (bare) chin. How is that possible following the internal "logic" of the DC universe?

Recently I watched The Avengers. Horrible movie. My dear bro was visiting and this is what he brought. Now in that flick, there are giant alien spaceships, the size of battleship cruisers and they get brought down by Hulk just pounding on them. What kind of drama is that supposed to be?

And this is probably the quintessential problem of this type of superhero: you give them a certain mix of outrageous powers and suddenly everything seems grossly outmatched. So you have to come up with ever more outrageous enemies to threaten them. But since the superheroes have to prevail, the next enemy has to be even larger than the previous one. And after a couple of issues you're in bonkers-land.

Actually, I would argue that the power balance in the Cinematic Marvel Universe (no idea about the comic universe) was pretty tight. I mean, sure, the Hulk punches out the leviathan in one punch, but within a few minutes we see Thor take down a leviathan and Iron Man take out another by running through it. The challenge was not the hardness of any one monster or alien in that movie. It was the fact that they seemed endless. This were the tension was.

OT: I would have to say Batman. I am sick of hearing how he is the greatest superhero of the DC universe and how no one can beat him. I'm sorry, but no. He might have contingency plans, but practically all members of the original Justice League can kill with little to no effort.

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

I was talking "drama" in the sense of something being at stake. No matter how bored I was throughout the movie, when the Alien Armada entered NY airspace I did think: well, let's see how they gonna deal with this. And then I learned. Unleash the Hulk. That easy. He was like the ghost army in LotR.

but then surely you couldn't have enjoyed LotR which did the exact same thing and with even less of something at stake (except maybe equal rights for Orcs as an ethnic minority). Or in Star Wars where they resolve the problems of Stormtroopers attacking by getting Ewoks to kill them. Which apparently is a thing that works.

Comic relief. Did it ever threaten the mission or Thor?

Threatened his jaw. Even as comic relief, it did show that he wasn't a particularly good team player, he just happened to want to smash the aliens MORE than the other characters.

So I'm supposed to make up my own threat scenario that the movie didn't bother with? Sure, if you work hard enough, you can make every movie good by filling the voids yourself. Like in Matrix Reloaded, which gets really intense if you think of all the things Agent Smith could be doing to Neo.

Wellll, that one was more extrapolating from when the aliens surround him and blast him a load and he sort of stays down for a while. I don't think any amount of imagination can make the Matrix sequels good and if I can make Neo my perma-kill answer I really, really might.

See, I didn't get that either. They seemed to have each other's backs.

Hawkeye ran out of arrows and ends up winded in an office, Ironman pancakes on the ground through a bus shelter on something like 3% power left and Cap gets blown up and crashed through a car then takes around 30 seconds just to get up again, can't remember what happened to Thor but BW was on the roof trying to close the portal. They had each others backs in bits of it but they did get just a little curb-stomped as the whole thing went on.

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

Spiderman... Goddamn spiderman... than there would be 2 people unhappy in new york, and that would be the only fallout... He's an annoying whiny shit-bag... and he looks stupid! Seriously... a morphsuit!? Eugh...

 

[deathninja]

[small]Or maybe just PowerGirl, because what's the fucking point of that one?[/small]

Most probably tits.

Personally I'd kill of Superman, bring him back to life, kill him again, repeat until I got bored then off him permanently, guy's a total douche.

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

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I'm getting the feeling we could go on like this forever, so agree to disagree?
Well argued fellow nerd. Oh, and for the record Atlanteans can survive out water but not for long, but Aquaman as half-human half-royal atlantean can survive on land for much, much longer, hydration in the air also helps (Though he did survive in a desert for a day with no water) but he has to go into water every now and then. Also he weakens the more dehydrated he is.

You know what, I'm cool with that.
Onto the next debate! Who Would win in a fight between Freakazoid and The mask?
I'm gonna go with freakazoid.

 

[Dogstile]

His powers only work in the water.

Batman is even better than him.

WRONG! His powers get weaker the longer he is out of water but he survived in a desert for at least a day so its not that bad, plus he's faster, stronger and more immune to damage than Batman. Aquaman would fuck up Batman in a straight up fight any time, if Bats didn't wear the thickest plot armour in the universe. Sorry it pisses me off when people are like "herp derp aquaman can only talk to fish he's crap, herp de derp derp" while never having read a aquaman comic ever. Also he can give people seizures: http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t349/IMDBsuperman/jla00410.jpg
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OT: Probably Superman I find his character really boring.

I'm sorry, are you trying to say aquaman is better than batman?
Dude, batman is trained in every martial art on the planet. It doesn't matter if aquaman is bulletproof or stronger, batman has more skill.

Who needs skill when you can look at a guy and make him unable to control his limbs? All Aquaman has to do is walk up and punch his face until there isn't anything left once he's done that.

OP: I'd kill superman. Fucking victim of power creep.

Edit: Bugger it, i've fucked up the quote somewhere.

 

[Kpt._Rob]

Mine would be aquaman.
I hate that guy.

Would you care to elaborate on this? Why do you hate Aquaman? Have you ever even read an Aquaman comic? Because some of them are actually pretty damn good. In particular the opening story arc for the current New 52 story arc of Aquaman was phenomenal. Granted, it was written by Geoff Johns who can (and will) make anything awesome. I guess what I'm asking is do you hate Aquaman? Or do you just hate the poorly written version of Aquaman who has frequently appeared in the more mainstream forms of the superhero genre?

OT: I don't think there's anyone I have any overwhelming desire to see die permanently. Any character can be really interesting with the right writer. Sure there are a couple characters floating about who I'm not a big fan of, but it's not like they're actively detracting from my comic book reading experience... I just don't read their comics. Sure I might have to deal with them in a crossover with a character I do like, but that minor inconvenience doesn't destroy their potential to be written well, and to play a role in an interesting narrative.

 

[maninahat]

Batman or Wolverine. I'd literally flip a coin. Can't lose, no matter who goes.

I'm leaning towards Wolverine, for sucking up all the attention away from the other X-men.

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

Mine would be aquaman.
I hate that guy.

Would you care to elaborate on this? Why do you hate Aquaman? Have you ever even read an Aquaman comic? Because some of them are actually pretty damn good. In particular the opening story arc for the current New 52 story arc of Aquaman was phenomenal. Granted, it was written by Geoff Johns who can (and will) make anything awesome. I guess what I'm asking is do you hate Aquaman? Or do you just hate the poorly written version of Aquaman who has frequently appeared in the more mainstream forms of the superhero genre?

OT: I don't think there's anyone I have any overwhelming desire to see die permanently. Any character can be really interesting with the right writer. Sure there are a couple characters floating about who I'm not a big fan of, but it's not like they're actively detracting from my comic book reading experience... I just don't read their comics. Sure I might have to deal with them in a crossover with a character I do like, but that minor inconvenience doesn't destroy their potential to be written well, and to play a role in an interesting narrative.

READ 90% OF THIS ENTIRE THREAD BECAUSE I AM NOT GETTING INTO THIS AGAIN! SHEEEEESH!

 

[Kpt._Rob]

Mine would be aquaman.
I hate that guy.

Would you care to elaborate on this? Why do you hate Aquaman? Have you ever even read an Aquaman comic? Because some of them are actually pretty damn good. In particular the opening story arc for the current New 52 story arc of Aquaman was phenomenal. Granted, it was written by Geoff Johns who can (and will) make anything awesome. I guess what I'm asking is do you hate Aquaman? Or do you just hate the poorly written version of Aquaman who has frequently appeared in the more mainstream forms of the superhero genre?

OT: I don't think there's anyone I have any overwhelming desire to see die permanently. Any character can be really interesting with the right writer. Sure there are a couple characters floating about who I'm not a big fan of, but it's not like they're actively detracting from my comic book reading experience... I just don't read their comics. Sure I might have to deal with them in a crossover with a character I do like, but that minor inconvenience doesn't destroy their potential to be written well, and to play a role in an interesting narrative.

READ 90% OF THIS ENTIRE THREAD BECAUSE I AM NOT GETTING INTO THIS AGAIN! SHEEEEESH!

Perhaps you should consider editing your opening post with a disclaimer if you want to avoid rehashing old territory? In a thread with as many responses as this one, people are going to just respond to the opening post. If you've already elaborated on why you'd get rid of Aquaman, there's no reason not to put it in your opening post to keep people from asking.

Or you could just get mad at anyone who asks you a question. Your call.

 

[triggrhappy94]

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He's seriously the Dane Cook of super heroes

 

[The White Hunter]

Batman or Wolverine. I'd literally flip a coin. Can't lose, no matter who goes.

Batman, Because what will the internet do without it's beloved hero? :3

= D

I'd replace him with Viewtiful Joe.

 

[LadyTiamat]

Charles Xavier......so their won't be anyone to stand in mutant ascension!

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

Mine would be aquaman.
I hate that guy.

Would you care to elaborate on this? Why do you hate Aquaman? Have you ever even read an Aquaman comic? Because some of them are actually pretty damn good. In particular the opening story arc for the current New 52 story arc of Aquaman was phenomenal. Granted, it was written by Geoff Johns who can (and will) make anything awesome. I guess what I'm asking is do you hate Aquaman? Or do you just hate the poorly written version of Aquaman who has frequently appeared in the more mainstream forms of the superhero genre?

OT: I don't think there's anyone I have any overwhelming desire to see die permanently. Any character can be really interesting with the right writer. Sure there are a couple characters floating about who I'm not a big fan of, but it's not like they're actively detracting from my comic book reading experience... I just don't read their comics. Sure I might have to deal with them in a crossover with a character I do like, but that minor inconvenience doesn't destroy their potential to be written well, and to play a role in an interesting narrative.

READ 90% OF THIS ENTIRE THREAD BECAUSE I AM NOT GETTING INTO THIS AGAIN! SHEEEEESH!

Perhaps you should consider editing your opening post with a disclaimer if you want to avoid rehashing old territory? In a thread with as many responses as this one, people are going to just respond to the opening post. If you've already elaborated on why you'd get rid of Aquaman, there's no reason not to put it in your opening post to keep people from asking.

Or you could just get mad at anyone who asks you a question. Your call.

I pick getting mad. It's easier. Especially because your condesending tone irritates me.

 

[Kpt._Rob]

Mine would be aquaman.
I hate that guy.

Would you care to elaborate on this? Why do you hate Aquaman? Have you ever even read an Aquaman comic? Because some of them are actually pretty damn good. In particular the opening story arc for the current New 52 story arc of Aquaman was phenomenal. Granted, it was written by Geoff Johns who can (and will) make anything awesome. I guess what I'm asking is do you hate Aquaman? Or do you just hate the poorly written version of Aquaman who has frequently appeared in the more mainstream forms of the superhero genre?

OT: I don't think there's anyone I have any overwhelming desire to see die permanently. Any character can be really interesting with the right writer. Sure there are a couple characters floating about who I'm not a big fan of, but it's not like they're actively detracting from my comic book reading experience... I just don't read their comics. Sure I might have to deal with them in a crossover with a character I do like, but that minor inconvenience doesn't destroy their potential to be written well, and to play a role in an interesting narrative.

READ 90% OF THIS ENTIRE THREAD BECAUSE I AM NOT GETTING INTO THIS AGAIN! SHEEEEESH!

Perhaps you should consider editing your opening post with a disclaimer if you want to avoid rehashing old territory? In a thread with as many responses as this one, people are going to just respond to the opening post. If you've already elaborated on why you'd get rid of Aquaman, there's no reason not to put it in your opening post to keep people from asking.

Or you could just get mad at anyone who asks you a question. Your call.

I pick getting mad. It's easier. Especially because your condesending tone irritates me.

Well now, there's no need for such open hostilities. Clearly I made a mistake in looking for a fun debate on the merits of Aquaman, and I thought I'd give you a suggestion to help other misguided souls such as myself avoid annoying you with debate on an internet forum where people go to converse and debate. You could've had a sense of fun about it, and this could've been pleasant for everyone. But such rudeness!

That'll teach me to go looking for someone who wants to experience the joys of a pleasant back and forth about Aquaman.

 

[AsurasEyes]

I'd vote for Batman to make my friend's head explode, but in all seriousness I would love to see Iron Man die. He's such a freaking asshole in the comics, but Robert Downy Jr. cannot be defeated on screen. That's a rule.

 

[Hawkeye21]

Oh man, I've just finished reading "The Boys" by Garth Ennis... That gave me quite a perspective on the whole superheroes thing. If you haven't read it - by all means, pick it up

OT: Superman, because screw him. Mr. Bland-goody-two-shoes.

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

Mine would be aquaman.
I hate that guy.

Would you care to elaborate on this? Why do you hate Aquaman? Have you ever even read an Aquaman comic? Because some of them are actually pretty damn good. In particular the opening story arc for the current New 52 story arc of Aquaman was phenomenal. Granted, it was written by Geoff Johns who can (and will) make anything awesome. I guess what I'm asking is do you hate Aquaman? Or do you just hate the poorly written version of Aquaman who has frequently appeared in the more mainstream forms of the superhero genre?

OT: I don't think there's anyone I have any overwhelming desire to see die permanently. Any character can be really interesting with the right writer. Sure there are a couple characters floating about who I'm not a big fan of, but it's not like they're actively detracting from my comic book reading experience... I just don't read their comics. Sure I might have to deal with them in a crossover with a character I do like, but that minor inconvenience doesn't destroy their potential to be written well, and to play a role in an interesting narrative.

READ 90% OF THIS ENTIRE THREAD BECAUSE I AM NOT GETTING INTO THIS AGAIN! SHEEEEESH!

Perhaps you should consider editing your opening post with a disclaimer if you want to avoid rehashing old territory? In a thread with as many responses as this one, people are going to just respond to the opening post. If you've already elaborated on why you'd get rid of Aquaman, there's no reason not to put it in your opening post to keep people from asking.

Or you could just get mad at anyone who asks you a question. Your call.

I pick getting mad. It's easier. Especially because your condesending tone irritates me.

Well now, there's no need for such open hostilities. Clearly I made a mistake in looking for a fun debate on the merits of Aquaman, and I thought I'd give you a suggestion to help other misguided souls such as myself avoid annoying you with debate on an internet forum where people go to converse and debate. You could've had a sense of fun about it, and this could've been pleasant for everyone. But such rudeness!

That'll teach me to go looking for someone who wants to experience the joys of a pleasant back and forth about Aquaman.

NOOO! GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT COMMENT, LAY OFF MY POOR INBOX WILL YA? SHEEEEESH! YOU'RE A CREEP, GO AWAY! WE WERE HAVING A GOOD TIME UNTIL YOU SHOWED UP ROB! GO HAVE SOME COFFEE, WITH CREAM OR SOMETHING! BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING... THIS IS A HAPPY PLACE....

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

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He's seriously the Dane Cook of super heroes

Spoiler: Lolno

Deadpool and spiderman are the only decent marvel comics currently publishing, and lets be fair, a lot of spideys new stuff sucks.


Seriously, Dane Cook? That's too far man. Way too far. owch.

 

[Kpt._Rob]

Mine would be aquaman.
I hate that guy.

Would you care to elaborate on this? Why do you hate Aquaman? Have you ever even read an Aquaman comic? Because some of them are actually pretty damn good. In particular the opening story arc for the current New 52 story arc of Aquaman was phenomenal. Granted, it was written by Geoff Johns who can (and will) make anything awesome. I guess what I'm asking is do you hate Aquaman? Or do you just hate the poorly written version of Aquaman who has frequently appeared in the more mainstream forms of the superhero genre?

OT: I don't think there's anyone I have any overwhelming desire to see die permanently. Any character can be really interesting with the right writer. Sure there are a couple characters floating about who I'm not a big fan of, but it's not like they're actively detracting from my comic book reading experience... I just don't read their comics. Sure I might have to deal with them in a crossover with a character I do like, but that minor inconvenience doesn't destroy their potential to be written well, and to play a role in an interesting narrative.

READ 90% OF THIS ENTIRE THREAD BECAUSE I AM NOT GETTING INTO THIS AGAIN! SHEEEEESH!

Perhaps you should consider editing your opening post with a disclaimer if you want to avoid rehashing old territory? In a thread with as many responses as this one, people are going to just respond to the opening post. If you've already elaborated on why you'd get rid of Aquaman, there's no reason not to put it in your opening post to keep people from asking.

Or you could just get mad at anyone who asks you a question. Your call.

I pick getting mad. It's easier. Especially because your condesending tone irritates me.

Well now, there's no need for such open hostilities. Clearly I made a mistake in looking for a fun debate on the merits of Aquaman, and I thought I'd give you a suggestion to help other misguided souls such as myself avoid annoying you with debate on an internet forum where people go to converse and debate. You could've had a sense of fun about it, and this could've been pleasant for everyone. But such rudeness!

That'll teach me to go looking for someone who wants to experience the joys of a pleasant back and forth about Aquaman.

NOOO! GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT COMMENT, LAY OFF MY POOR INBOX WILL YA? SHEEEEESH! YOU'RE A CREEP, GO AWAY! WE WERE HAVING A GOOD TIME UNTIL YOU SHOWED UP ROB! GO HAVE SOME COFFEE, WITH CREAM OR SOMETHING! BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING... THIS IS A HAPPY PLACE....

Fine, I'm gonna drop the act and tell you what I really think. I came in here and saw your post and just wanted to talk about Aquaman, who I feel hasn't gotten the chance he deserves. But instead of indulging me, or even politely informing me that the issue had already been discussed, you flew off the handle and acted like I'd just murdered your dog.

I don't know about you, but I don't particularly like getting yelled at for no good reason. However I'm also not the sort who likes direct aggression. So instead I did what I always do when someone on the internet acts like you were acting... I decided to play a little game of poke the bear. And God I don't believe in help me, you played right along. So you know what, you go ahead and call me a creep. Playing head games isn't nice after all. But do remember this, you can't play poke the bear without a bear. You could've given me the benefit of the doubt just one time, and you'd have shut me down. There's no point in trying to provoke someone who keeps a cool head, and if you'd been polite to start with, I'd have been gone a long time ago.

Just a thought. Ta ta! It's been fun!