PETA for kids

[BeerTent]

I'm happy that someone brought up the ALF here, because It's 3AM, just got home from a "close friend's" and I'm royally pissed at my roommate.

I believe that Penn Jillette and Teller [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_%26_Teller#Penn_.26_Teller:_Bullshit.21] took note that PETA had funneled money to groups like the ALF (Including them) as well as provide a hefty bonus to a kind man who regularly builds and uses "Crude Incendiary Devices." It's not exactly a secret where he uses them, but there's a video of him in a collage telling people how to make one.

Oh, did I mention that the President, Ingrid of PETA rely on animal insulin to stay alive? Diabetes, man. I honestly don't know what I'd do if I got it, but according to PETA, everyone who needs insulin shouldn't get it, because animals may be harmed to produce it.

Also, Cid is right, PETA also euthanize's roughly 85% of the animals they save as of 2007. Although, PETA itself won't "blow up a pet store." No, death threats and vandalism, from them.

 

[squeekenator]

I don't even trust regular vegetarians ( outside of religious ones) why should I care what these domestic terrorist say?

I don't trust them one little bit either. Those filthy hippies refusing to eat meat, it just ain't natural. They'd probably murder you the moment you turned your back on them. And how do they survive without protein exactly? Clearly it's because they aren't real people. But the religious ones are fine, because they are messengers of God and He sustains them with His divine power.

No but seriously, what on earth is untrustworthy about vegetarians, and why does being religious change that?

 

[One of Many]

But if you dont eat meat youll be weak from lack of protein.

That ain't true at all buddy.

Okay I will have to admit there are substitutes like nuts and beans(And kinda fish cause I heard they cant feel as much pain as other animals.My bad.And protein isn't the only thing that keeps you musclebound.Once again,please forgive me.

Fish feel just as much pain as any other creature. THink about that next time you go fishing.

I no longer fish for this reason.

Just bought a new fishing pole and got my license for both fresh and salt water. Its gonna get a great summer.

Snarkiness aside, screw PETA. If they every pull a protest around my area, I'm showing up with a grill, hotdogs, hamburgers and chicken.

 

[SD-Fiend]

But if you dont eat meat youll be weak from lack of protein.

That ain't true at all buddy.

Okay I will have to admit there are substitutes like nuts and beans(And kinda fish cause I heard they cant feel as much pain as other animals.My bad.And protein isn't the only thing that keeps you musclebound.Once again,please forgive me.

Fish feel just as much pain as any other creature. THink about that next time you go fishing.

I no longer fish for this reason.

lobsters don't
EDITsorry pressed send to quickly) feel much pain if you cook them fast enough

 

[Geo88]

I think he's referring to some stats that Newsweek dug up a couple of years ago. According to their records, PETA euthanizes about 85 percent of the animals they save.

Source: http://www.newsweek.com/2008/04/27/peta-and-euthanasia.html

I don't recall PETA blowing up any stores, though...

Yeah, I do remember reading about that. I'm not well informed enough to know whether or not no-kill shelters really work that well, though, so it's difficult to say whether or not PETA is actually at fault here. If the choice is between letting an animal live a short, miserable life on the streets or putting it out of its misery, euthanasia is not necessarily the wrong choice.

I can actually answer that. I did a story on a similar topic when I started my job as a reporter a few months back. No-kill shelters work just fine in that they don't kill the animals they house. That really doesn't mean anything, though. That just inflates the kill rates of other shelters in the area. It really doesn't accomplish a whole lot on a bigger scale, it just sounds nicer. The best way to reduce euthanasia numbers is to have pets spayed/neutered. It'll take a while to see results, but it's the surest way to reduce deaths over time.

 

[Falconsgyre]

I can actually answer that. I did a story on a similar topic when I started my job as a reporter a few months back. No-kill shelters work just fine in that they don't kill the animals they house. That really doesn't mean anything, though. That just inflates the kill rates of other shelters in the area. It really doesn't accomplish a whole lot on a bigger scale, it just sounds nicer. The best way to reduce euthanasia numbers is to have pets spayed/neutered. It'll take a while to see results, but it's the surest way to reduce deaths over time.

Ah. In that case, I don't think we can really find much fault in PETA's euthanasia rate. Their policy is to heavily fund spay/neuter campaigns, so I guess I'm on their side on this 100%.

 

[Jegsimmons]

I don't even trust regular vegetarians ( outside of religious ones) why should I care what these domestic terrorist say?

I don't trust them one little bit either. Those filthy hippies refusing to eat meat, it just ain't natural. They'd probably murder you the moment you turned your back on them. And how do they survive without protein exactly? Clearly it's because they aren't real people. But the religious ones are fine, because they are messengers of God and He sustains them with His divine power.

No but seriously, what on earth is untrustworthy about vegetarians, and why does being religious change that?

Christ on a cracker, I'm not being that serious here!!!
Vegetarians are fine ( not the ones I personly know but I digress)
Peta is just bat shit insane.

 

[BeerTent]

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Ah. In that case, I don't think we can really find much fault in PETA's euthanasia rate. Their policy is to heavily fund spay/neuter campaigns, so I guess I'm on their side on this 100%.

I'm absolutely sure it's not their policy.

Also, Captcha: hard cheese

 

[Satosuke]

Peta are Tax Exempt?!!

And

Whale wars: All I saw was the South Park version. We Australians haave Oceanic Batmobiles that (Usually) stop the Japanese whaling in our waters, but there was a huge diplomatic issue when one of the whalers rammed and destroyed one of the 50 million dollar boats maliciously.
See, we actually do shit about whaling.

Could you describe what whale wars is. Also I did not know it was PETA assosciated

Yeah, PETA's a 501(c)(3) organization, with translates to 'tax-exempt/charity'.

And the Australian government/military busting whalers in Australian waters is A-OK, because hey, they're illegal trespassers on your territory, and fuck trespassers.

But the Sea Shepard organization is beholden to no nation, and they basically run illegal vigilante hunts against boats they suspect of whaling, regardless of whether or not it's legal where they are doing it. They have no business doing so.

 

[Geo88]

I can actually answer that. I did a story on a similar topic when I started my job as a reporter a few months back. No-kill shelters work just fine in that they don't kill the animals they house. That really doesn't mean anything, though. That just inflates the kill rates of other shelters in the area. It really doesn't accomplish a whole lot on a bigger scale, it just sounds nicer. The best way to reduce euthanasia numbers is to have pets spayed/neutered. It'll take a while to see results, but it's the surest way to reduce deaths over time.

Ah. In that case, I don't think we can really find much fault in PETA's euthanasia rate. Their policy is to heavily fund spay/neuter campaigns, so I guess I'm on their side on this 100%.

Right. I wish they'd channel more funding into finding animals homes, but they probably sink millions of dollars into that each year already. I don't know enough about the organization's funding to judge one way or another. My concern is coming from the fact that they're trying to emotionally blackmail kids over having a class pet. I mean, criminy... That's messed up.

 

[OhSnap]

...In regards to Sea Shepherd. They've nothing to do with PETA, they're strictly marine conservation. All they're doing is enforcing laws already in place. Japan is slaughtering whales in a designated whale sanctuary, targeting protected species and slaughtering them for commercial purposes (which is illegal) under a thin veil of "research". Do a bit of research please before you go mouthing off.

No kill shelters are bad. You have to realise you can't save everything and keeping a terminally ill and suffering dog or cat alive just so you can claim you're no kill is just wrong.

OT:

That website is no worse than a majority of the religious and political sites around. I don't see what the big deal is. I honestly do think you're overreacting a little.

Not saying I don't agree that PETA are a bunch of idiots. They are complete self righteous holier than thou idiots who need to buzz off. They're little publicity stunts have turned the entire animal rights movement into a joke. They've done nothing but piss people off and the second you so much as mention "animal rights" everyone tunes you out. I agree wholeheartedly with their ideals, but not their methods.

Also, anyone who puts vegetarians/vegans or all animal rights supporters in the same boat as PETA really needs to stop being such an ignorant twit. You're no better than PETA.

 

[Falconsgyre]

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Ah. In that case, I don't think we can really find much fault in PETA's euthanasia rate. Their policy is to heavily fund spay/neuter campaigns, so I guess I'm on their side on this 100%.

I'm absolutely sure it's not their policy.

Also, Captcha: hard cheese

You mean PETA doesn't fund campaigns for spaying and neutering pets? I'm absolutely sure they do. Or do you mean there's something else they do that bothers you?

 

[scorptatious]

This is just stupid. No five year old is going to understand the concepts of boycott or exploitation.

I also find it funny how PETA believes pets are animals that are held hostage against their own will. I'm pretty sure my dogs are pretty damn happy to be my pets. They lie around the house, get fed every day, run around the backyard if they want to, and enjoy getting pet.

Now if that's being held hostage, then getting attacked by bank robbers must be like a day at the spa. (sarcasm)

PETA will blow up a pet store if even just one of the animals are tortured, then they'll immediately set those pets free, only for them to get run over on the highway literally 5 seconds later.

Did something like that actually happen? Or are you just using an example?

 

[One of Many]

I still seriously find it appalling how we continue to let PETA, a known supporter of domestic terrorists, continue to operate at all, let alone enjoy its tax-exempt status. That goes for the Sea Shepard people too.

I hope Whale Wars ends one day with everyone on those boats getting shot. Then I might actually forgive Animal Planet for giving publicity to such a disgusting organization.

The Navy (it cane be anyone's navy, USA, Chinese, Australian, French) should really blow the Sea Shepherds out of the water. Their nothing but pirates.

 

[Satosuke]

While I don't support going out and sabotaging meat processing plants or damaging legal whaling ships, calling them "domestic terrorists" is going a little too far. I've never heard of anyone involved with animal rights intentionally hurting people, except economically. They always go for property damage. "Terrorism" in my mind should be a term reserved for far worse crimes.

Any group with a beneficiary who goes to SCHOOLCHILDREN and shows them how to make bombs (Which Rod Coronado did) is a supporter of terrorism, and said beneficiary is absolutely a terrorist.

Oh, and I can't remember the name, but a chef on the west coast received death threats to him and his wife and child because he refused to stop serving foie gras in his market. What do you call that? Mild harrassment?

 

[Falconsgyre]

Right. I wish they'd channel more funding into finding animals homes, but they probably sink millions of dollars into that each year already. I don't know enough about the organization's funding to judge one way or another. My concern is coming from the fact that they're trying to emotionally blackmail kids over having a class pet. I mean, criminy... That's messed up.

Yeah, my problem with PETA is that they don't seem to have a sense of proportion. I pretty much agree with their basic ethical position, but class pets are generally not being mistreated. Protesting against circus elephants who likely are abused is one thing, but they overgeneralize from the worst cases.

 

[BeerTent]

[...]

Ah. In that case, I don't think we can really find much fault in PETA's euthanasia rate. Their policy is to heavily fund spay/neuter campaigns, so I guess I'm on their side on this 100%.

I'm absolutely sure it's not their policy.

Also, Captcha: hard cheese

You mean PETA doesn't fund campaigns for spaying and neutering pets? I'm absolutely sure they do. Or do you mean there's something else they do that bothers you?

I'm not sure on their funding. Hell, it's been a while since I've done my own research, but it goes directly against their policies. According to PETA, Animals are not ours to own, eat, research off of, and generally, we should just about stay away from them unless your giving them a pat on the back. If we follow what PETA says we should do with animals, (First of all, we should probably stop euthanizing all of them.) Spaying/Neutering would be miles away from the table in question. Remember, her words, we can't do this to them, it's inhumane, and doing this to an animal, is just as bad, if not worse than doing it to a human being.

If you know for an absolute fact that they do fund Spaying/Neutering. Please, back it up. I want to sort-of keep track of their hypocracy.

 

[Warlord211]

It's worth remembering that PETA kills all the animals they "save". I seem to remember an anecdote that went something like this:

PETA will blow up a pet store if even just one of the animals are tortured, then they'll immediately set those pets free, only for them to get run over on the highway literally 5 seconds later.

Seriously, PETA kill more than they save. I have reason to believe that the pets they keep as a result of (let's face it, illegal) rescues, they put down afterwards and then hush up everyone who is in on it.

They had a 97% kill rate for all the animals they "saved" last year. 96% the year before that and 99% the year before that. They are truly misguided and foolish.

Link?

I don't have one but i saw it yesterday.

 

[Falconsgyre]

Any group with a beneficiary who goes to SCHOOLCHILDREN and shows them how to make bombs (Which Rod Coronado did) is a supporter of terrorism, and said beneficiary is absolutely a terrorist.

Oh, and I can't remember the name, but a chef on the west coast received death threats to him and his wife and child because he refused to stop serving foie gras in his market. What do you call that? Mild harrassment?

Again, the reason I wouldn't consider it terrorism is because these kinds of activists generally explicitly include as part of their goals not to hurt humans. In every case where someone's actually been arrested for this that I've heard of, even Rod Coronado, they never want to hurt people (physically, that is; they seem to be fine with committing acts which will hurt people indirectly). That gives them a huge moral boost up in my opinion, and so I think they shouldn't be treated the same as, say, Al-Qaeda.

Edit: Forgot about that death threat guy, but I'm going to have to ask you to provide a link to verify the story. At any rate, I doubt he's officially affiliated with PETA.

 

[MrGameluvr92]

Are you surprised? It's PETA.

Everyone in that organization is freaking insane.