Peter Jackson Might Direct The Hobbit After All

Bat Vader

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If Jackson or Del Toro is not able to direct The Hobbit than in my opinion I would have it not become a film. I would rather see it not become a movie than have some other director butcher it. The only other person that I might like to see direct it would be the person who directed District 9.
 

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Noooo, Guillermo Del Toro, I was so happy when I heard you were to be directing this!

Not that Peter Jackson's a bad choice or anything. I just love Del Toro movies. What a shame.
 

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He should have been in from the start. Now this possibility means that MGM is most likely going to put it off until Jackson can do it... But, hey, I'm willing to wait.
 

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I thought the only reason jackson wasn't doing them from the get go was the head of newline having a hissy fit over jackson wanting a bigger share of the lotr royalty's which considering how much the trilogy made wasn't an unreasonable request.
 

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Blue-State said:
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Jackson already sodomized the Lord of the Rings. We should protect the Hobbit from him, if nothing else.
I wouldn't go THAT far. Jackson made a few changes to the story but I don't feel that he ruined it! Compared with what Rowling is doing TO HER OWN BOOKS NO LESS, Jackson did quite well. You have understand that Jackson made a lot of cuts from the books, and from his own footage, to fit the 3 books into 3 movies that were STILL over 2 hours long each. There are some Character changes and omissions (Tom Bambadil) but I don't HATE him for it. I would have liked to see Del Torro's Smaug, but as long as Allen Lee and John Howe are also on board, we won't be disappointed.
I would say he made more than minor changes. I can understand the removal of Tom Bombadil, but to me the removal of the Scouring of the Shire chapter is unforgivable. That helped show how much Merry and Pippin had grown on their quest. Faramir was turned into a douchebag instead of the very honorable man that he was, we never got see the good sides of Boromir, Denethor's death was a joke instead of a dark, chilling moment, Treebeard went from a wise creature to a buffoon who couldn't even tell if the hobbits were Orcs or not, Sauron went from being one of the greatest uses of symbolism in all of literary history to a veritable lighthouse of death, the scene in which Gandalf proves himself more powerful than Saruman is entirely eliminated, and many other atrocities occur. The worst of all, though, is having Frodo and Sam fight. It completely betrayed character.

And I've never found the whole "he had to cut things out" argument to hold any water. If he didn't have enough time to work with, why did he add a bunch of made-up scenes about Aragorn almost dying and Arwen's angsty quest to leave Middle-earth? And why did he make the Battle of the Hornburg, which wasn't even the climax of the first section of The Two Towers, last for about half an hour?

J.R.R. Tolkien was once approached with a screenplay for a film adaptation of The Lord of the Rings. He proceeded to reject the idea and write a long essay on why he believed it would not work. The fact that Peter Jackson did this in the first place, and the fact that he was so unfaithful to the story and characters, is incredibly disrespectful to the memory of such a great man.

Sorry for such a long rant, but as you can probably tell, The Lord of the Rings is very important to me.
 

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Anticitizen_Two said:
Blue-State said:
Anticitizen_Two said:
Jackson already sodomized the Lord of the Rings. We should protect the Hobbit from him, if nothing else.
I wouldn't go THAT far. Jackson made a few changes to the story but I don't feel that he ruined it! Compared with what Rowling is doing TO HER OWN BOOKS NO LESS, Jackson did quite well. You have understand that Jackson made a lot of cuts from the books, and from his own footage, to fit the 3 books into 3 movies that were STILL over 2 hours long each. There are some Character changes and omissions (Tom Bambadil) but I don't HATE him for it. I would have liked to see Del Torro's Smaug, but as long as Allen Lee and John Howe are also on board, we won't be disappointed.
I would say he made more than minor changes. I can understand the removal of Tom Bombadil, but to me the removal of the Scouring of the Shire chapter is unforgivable. That helped show how much Merry and Pippin had grown on their quest. Faramir was turned into a douchebag instead of the very honorable man that he was, we never got see the good sides of Boromir, Denethor's death was a joke instead of a dark, chilling moment, Treebeard went from a wise creature to a buffoon who couldn't even tell if the hobbits were Orcs or not, Sauron went from being one of the greatest uses of symbolism in all of literary history to a veritable lighthouse of death, the scene in which Gandalf proves himself more powerful than Saruman is entirely eliminated, and many other atrocities occur. The worst of all, though, is having Frodo and Sam fight. It completely betrayed character.

And I've never found the whole "he had to cut things out" argument to hold any water. If he didn't have enough time to work with, why did he add a bunch of made-up scenes about Aragorn almost dying and Arwen's angsty quest to leave Middle-earth? And why did he make the Battle of the Hornburg, which wasn't even the climax of the first section of The Two Towers, last for about half an hour?

J.R.R. Tolkien was once approached with a screenplay for a film adaptation of The Lord of the Rings. He proceeded to reject the idea and write a long essay on why he believed it would not work. The fact that Peter Jackson did this in the first place, and the fact that he was so unfaithful to the story and characters, is incredibly disrespectful to the memory of such a great man.

Sorry for such a long rant, but as you can probably tell, The Lord of the Rings is very important to me.
I'm sure LOTR is 'important' to many people, but given the epic task, the whole story and attempting to condense the book into viewable individual movies, I think Jackson did a very good job.

With all the other directors these days, I struggle to see anyone who could of taken on what Jackson did. As for the Hobbit, I don't care, as long as it is great.
 

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Tel Toro is flash over substance, blade was ok and hellboy 2 was awful. If Jackson directs, it'll be the best thing for the movie.

 

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blippity said:
I'm sure LOTR is 'important' to many people, but given the epic task, the whole story and attempting to condense the book into viewable individual movies, I think Jackson did a very good job.

With all the other directors these days, I struggle to see anyone who could of taken on what Jackson did. As for the Hobbit, I don't care, as long as it is great.
Nonsense. Which is pretty much what Jackass reduced the Lord of The Rings movies to. They were nothing but 3 hour long fight scenes threaded together by horrible mischaracterisations and appalling plot holes.

The Hobbit stands a little better chance, it's a childrens book and there's always the chance Jackass will be able to understand it. Of course he will be hampered by his complete incompetence as a director and will run scenes rampantly out of control but at least the chance his brain won't freeze over at every point in the film and just have characters hitting eachother instead.
 

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Now see, this sounds like damn good news. Admittedly I was still curious about how Gullimero Del Toro would have done it but I reckon that in long run, Jackson was the maker of Lord of the Rings and he should be the maker of the Hobbit as well.

Here's hoping he uses Weta Workshop once again and that we get a cameo from Gollum.
 

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blippity said:
With all the other directors these days, I struggle to see anyone who could of taken on what Jackson did.
Exactly my point. The Lord of the Rings should not be made into films. J.R.R. Tolkien himself said that.
Blue-State said:
Treebeard did not know what Hobbits were, but he did know that they weren't Orcs. Let's also not forget that in the book he bravely decided to attack Isengard, while in the film he had to be tricked into it by Pippin. He was shown as being much weaker in his opinions and more stupid.

None of Boromir's good traits (like when he saved all of the Company's lives) were shown in the films, and then they showed him dying in slow motion and expected viewers to care. I did, because luckily I read the books first, but had I watched the film first I would not have cared in the least. From a filmmaking perspective it was incredibly poorly done.

One deleted scene is not enough to redeem the awful depiction of Faramir, and besides, deleted scenes hardly count. I give Jackson no credit for filming the Gandalf/Saruman scene, because he decided to put in a bunch of stupid Aragorn scenes that he made up instead of what Tolkien actually wrote.

And no, Sauron is not a lighthouse of death in the book. I challenge you to find one passage of the book when Sauron's tower is described as having a gigantic fiery eye floating over it. The "Eye of Sauron" is NOT a physical eye. It's symbolism. In fact, it's one of the best uses of symbolism I have ever seen. It symbolizes how overbearing the presence of Sauron was in Mordor, and it helps establish his character amazingly well, considering how he is never actually seen by any character in the book.

Frodo was burdened by the Ring, but he never told Sam to leave. They stayed good buddies right up to the end of the quest, when Frodo momentarily lost control at the top of Mount Doom.

And lastly, yes, there are other film versions of LotR. No, that does not make what Jackson did any less disrespectful.
Vrex360 said:
Now see, this sounds like damn good news. Admittedly I was still curious about how Gullimero Del Toro would have done it but I reckon that in long run, Jackson was the maker of Lord of the Rings and he should be the maker of the Hobbit as well.

Here's hoping he uses Weta Workshop once again and that we get a cameo from Gollum.
Hahahahahahaha... a cameo from Gollum... you haven't read the Hobbit, I'm guessing?
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Vrex360 said:
Now see, this sounds like damn good news. Admittedly I was still curious about how Gullimero Del Toro would have done it but I reckon that in long run, Jackson was the maker of Lord of the Rings and he should be the maker of the Hobbit as well.

Here's hoping he uses Weta Workshop once again and that we get a cameo from Gollum.
You've really not read the book, have you?
Riddles in the Dark, Bilbo gets seperated from the rest and finds himself in Gollum's cave whereupon he and Gollum start exchanging riddles and eventually it is revealed that Bilbo stole Gollum's 'birthday present' or his 'precious'.
When I said 'cameo' I meant that the restored gollum would look the same and be done by the same guy.
 

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Anticitizen_Two said:
Vrex360 said:
Now see, this sounds like damn good news. Admittedly I was still curious about how Gullimero Del Toro would have done it but I reckon that in long run, Jackson was the maker of Lord of the Rings and he should be the maker of the Hobbit as well.

Here's hoping he uses Weta Workshop once again and that we get a cameo from Gollum.
Hahahahahahaha... a cameo from Gollum... you haven't read the Hobbit, I'm guessing?
Yes I have, Riddles in the Dark. The chapter in which Bilbo meets Gollum and more importantly finds the ring.
What I meant was, that I hoped Gollum would look the same as he did in the trilogy and be performed by the same guy.
 

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Vrex360 said:
Anticitizen_Two said:
Vrex360 said:
Now see, this sounds like damn good news. Admittedly I was still curious about how Gullimero Del Toro would have done it but I reckon that in long run, Jackson was the maker of Lord of the Rings and he should be the maker of the Hobbit as well.

Here's hoping he uses Weta Workshop once again and that we get a cameo from Gollum.
Hahahahahahaha... a cameo from Gollum... you haven't read the Hobbit, I'm guessing?
Yes I have, Riddles in the Dark. The chapter in which Bilbo meets Gollum and more importantly finds the ring.
What I meant was, that I hoped Gollum would look the same as he did in the trilogy and be performed by the same guy.
Oh, I get what you're saying now. My bad...
 

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Anticitizen_Two said:
Vrex360 said:
Anticitizen_Two said:
Vrex360 said:
Now see, this sounds like damn good news. Admittedly I was still curious about how Gullimero Del Toro would have done it but I reckon that in long run, Jackson was the maker of Lord of the Rings and he should be the maker of the Hobbit as well.

Here's hoping he uses Weta Workshop once again and that we get a cameo from Gollum.
Hahahahahahaha... a cameo from Gollum... you haven't read the Hobbit, I'm guessing?
Yes I have, Riddles in the Dark. The chapter in which Bilbo meets Gollum and more importantly finds the ring.
What I meant was, that I hoped Gollum would look the same as he did in the trilogy and be performed by the same guy.
Oh, I get what you're saying now. My bad...
It's cool.