Peter Molyneux Loves Minecraft
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...Check March Mayhem again...chickencow said:
OT: Maybe Peter will be inspired and will try to make another game off a similar concept? Considering how close many of his games come to perfection, it could be a fantastic result.
lolwut?KalosCast said:
Peter Molyneux has made some of the best games of all time.
See: Black and White, Evil Genius, The Movies.
Instead of being such an ass about it, you could stop and think for a second. FPS is obviously an established genre and the merits of each game are no longer jugded mainly on the design of the game mechanics, but on other, more refined factors such as storyline and gameplay.Vibhor said:
Minecraft (or Infiniminer) on the other hand introduced a few new concepts, and it seems to me that Minecraft is getting all the credit for all the -initial- creativity and game design that went into it. Minecraft certainly polished the concept, but I think that the initial spark and basic game idea came from the Infiniminer people, and nobody is talking about them and they aren't getting any job offers from Valve.
The one that needs to think is you.Tiamat666 said:
Before Doom or even Wallenstein, there existed plenty FPS games.
Minecraft as of yet has not established any genre, and I don't know if it was writing fail on your part but game mechanics and design are what make the gameplay. Tell me this, what difference is between call of duty 1 and doom except the settings in term of gameplay?
You point at objects and press the fire button and the object gets obliterated. That is the FPS gameplay. Nothing more, nothing less.
Also,your second paragraph doesn't even makes sense.
Have you played Infiniminer? The gameplay in that was to mine minerals and deposit them which would add to the total team score. To achieve fun, you had to collect score. Whereas in Minecraft the goal is to mine stuff(not specifically minerals) and make buildings out of them.
The only thing similar is the destruction of cubes.
The art style is different, the setting is different, the mechanics are different. Almost everything is different.
According to you all the critical acclaim given to almost every FPS game is wrong because the first game in the then insignificant genre Maze war [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War] is not getting the credit at all.
You know if we go according to your words another valid criticism would be that Activision made gazillions of dollars by call of duty but not even 1$ is being given to maze war as they made the first FPS.
Also minecraft is not being lauded because it "invented" this type of gameplay, but because it made it popular AND fun.
And at the ass comment, I find it irony that the person who calls a person ass is not an ass himself because everything he did to prove that the other person is ass was wrong.
The basic game mechanics are running around with guns in first person mode, shooting stuff. The gameplay is if you can jump, strafe, heal yourself, talk with people, etc. If you refuse to see the difference, there's no point in aguing with you about this.Vibhor said:
It seems to be that everyone is praising Minecraft not only for the gameplay, presentation and "fun" of the game, but also for the new game mechanics of the random generated brick worlds, destroying bricks, collecting bricks, etc. If you watch Infiniminer in action, the similarities are obvious. All I'm saying is that alot of the inspiration for Minecraft came from different people that noone is talking about. You're the one who seems to has a problem with this statement and for some reason felt the need to be stuck up about it.
Game mechanics make gameplay! If you don't know that then I don't even know why am I even talking to you.Tiamat666 said:
Again read the previous posts I made and reflect upon what I had said because I hate repeating myself moreso then the people who make me do it.Tiamat666 said:
You do agree with me that FPS is a decades old, established genre whereas Minecraft and Infiniminer introduced something new, yes?Vibhor said:
So would you also agree with me that it is perhaps unfitting to compare games of an established, decades old genre to games that introduce a completely new game mechanic, such as Minecraft? Would you? No, it seems not.
People are not praising Call of Duty or Half Life for inventing the FPS genre, but for other reasons: plot, controls, the additional gameplay elements. NOT the -core game mechanic- of running around shooting stuff. Everybody knows that they did not invent that, everybody knows what an FPS is, it's not worth focusing on that anymore.
This is the point that you refuse to see and why your very first quote where you attempt to ridicule my argument by drawing misguided parallels between Minecraft and established FPS games doesn't add up.
The hype that we are experiencing about Notch and Minecraft is not simply about Minecraft being a "great game" but also about the initial inspiration and creativity of the core game mechanics, which I believe were first introduced by Infiniminer.
But naturally I can't force you to see beyond your thin walls of reasoning on the basis of misguided assumptions.
When FPS were still new, every new FPS would be called Doom clone. Since minecraft is not yet established and there are already plenty of "clones", it is going to give us a new genre soon when it gets released.Tiamat666 said:
Similarly people are not praising minecraft for inventing the cube based games, they are praising it to popularize them. Plus minecraft has enough of new features to be called a different game. You can mine anything and place anything anywhere whereas in Infiniminer you had to mine minerals to get money and then only with that money you could make specific block,the ugly blue one.Tiamat666 said:
Okay, tell me what call of duty has added to doom except a story line?Tiamat666 said:
Yeah right. Infinimer once again was not a creative tool. You did not have hundreds of colored blocks to make pixel art or different types of material to make houses. All you had a blue bullshit block that did nothing and took up lotsa cash. Also Infiniminer's gameplay is not creative construction but team excavation. By how you define the game, it seems you haven't even played infiniminer.Tiamat666 said:
Adding subtle insults won't improve your argument.Tiamat666 said:
You mean besides crouching, jumping, alternate fire modes, scoped rifles, automatic healing, respawning enemies, grenades, gunner modes, companions, artillery fire, talking NPCs, cinematic sequences, being on boats or aircraft... anyway, I don't know why I need to explain any of this to you. You are obviously one of those people who is to proud to ever back off or admit to a bad argument. And you simply don't want to understand what I'm talking about.Vibhor said:
Its bad that my first thought after seeing the title of this thread was 'He's probably lying' :S
OT: Does anyone else think that the entire plot of Fable 3 was him making excuses as to why he can't keep promises.
OT: Does anyone else think that the entire plot of Fable 3 was him making excuses as to why he can't keep promises.
It usually is the first person to nail it on the head. Fable 1 was delicious. Fable 2 and 3 are the same game, and not even that good. I have trouble differentiating the two when I think back. Also, Molyneux's other games are absolutely phenomenal. He could have made the Fable series absolutely unforgettable.Astalano said:
And yet you ignore what Minecraft has added to infiniminer and go on speaking bullshit like "they both are same game"Tiamat666 said:
Let me count the things minecraft added just according to your list of stuff that doesn't matter.
Trees, plenty of new blocks, animals,monsters,musical blocks, sneaking, texture pack support, water, buckets, tools, dungeons, lightning system, being on boats or pigs, moddability, single player, doors, redstone and plenty of other stuff. In the end I would quote you
Last I checked, since the game base has been growing, he has several people working with him. It's officially a collaborative piece now. I don't care too much for Peter Molyneux's work. That being said, it sounds like all the praise Minecraft has been getting from big names lately are just following the flow of the PC Community. I bought it as soon as I played the free one online. And I have been a devotee since. Somehow, all this big name attention, diminishes the game a bit. I wish I could explain it. It's an amazing game, but it feels like all these big companies and names are trying to somehow prey on the thing.
Stop twisting my words, please. I very much acknowledged that Minecraft is a more polished and refined work. What I said about three or four times now and what you continue to dogde by any means possible because it would shatter your world of Minecraft awesomeness or something, is that Minecraft seems to be getting all the praise as if Notch thought of everything first.Vibhor said:
I'm tired of this conversation now. Go away.
Minecraft is getting praise because its worth it, have you ignored all the content that has been added to the game?Tiamat666 said:
Just like call of duty is worth the praise because it has added new content while the core gameplay is the same.
I never even bended words, I was just proving my point in the previous posts which you seemed to ignore.
"But then I found Infiniminer. My god, I realized that that was the game I wanted to do." - Notch
Minecraft is a great game, but it was clearly inspired by Infiniminer, and no matter how many innovations are added, it will always have been inspired by Infiniminer.
Minecraft is a great game, but it was clearly inspired by Infiniminer, and no matter how many innovations are added, it will always have been inspired by Infiniminer.