Peter Molyneux Loves Minecraft

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

Peter. If you'd wake up for 10 seconds you could make something equally as brilliant. Get away from Microsoft, form your own small company on PC and start making great, innovative games like you used to. I guarantee the community will be behind you from the ofset.

Part of me wants to agree with you, but another part of me thinks it wouldn't work in practice. If Molyneux did form a new software house seperate from Lionhead, parts of the gaming community would almost demand this new company be called Son of Bullfrog (or something) and start clamouring for Dungeon Keeper 3, Syndicate 3, the next Theme game, and even Genewars 2. And unfortunately I would probably be amongst that number. Whilst at the moment his creativity may be being stifled by Microsoft, I fear that to set out on his own again would be to equally swamp his imagination under a sea of sequels.

 

[stuhacking]

I don't intend to discredit Notch (I love Minecraft), but wasn't Minecraft built on, or heavily inspired by this other game "Infiniminer"? I wonder how the Infiniminer developers feel about Notch getting all the credit for a game concept they invented.

Not to be blunt but, where is their finished product? Infiniminer still feels very much like a proof of concept. The graphics aren't as nice as Minecraft. It only runs on Windows.

Mojang took an idea and built a product round it that is accessible for all platforms and pretty well polished.

 

[Vibhor]

I don't intend to discredit Notch (I love Minecraft), but wasn't Minecraft built on, or heavily inspired by this other game "Infiniminer"? I wonder how the Infiniminer developers feel about Notch getting all the credit for a game concept they invented.

I don't intend to discredit almost every developer on the industry(I love call of duty),but wasn't almost every FPS built on or heavily inspired by "Doom"?I wonder how the Doom developers feel about the AAA industry getting all the credit for a game concept they invented.

 

[castlewise]

If you follow Notch's tweets you know that he promised "someone he admires" that he "will add dogs to minecraft". I wonder who that someone is

 

[Adam28]

I was playing Minecraft the other day and was reminded of Dungeon keeper when mining for materials.... Dungeon Keeper 3 please...

Anyway, who doesn't like Minecraft.

 

[mysecondlife]

..and this is news!

I'm sure everyone likes Minecraft. Can't say even the approval of a famous head of game developer is considered newsworthy.

 

[samsonguy920]

Peter. If you'd wake up for 10 seconds you could make something equally as brilliant. Get away from Microsoft, form your own small company on PC and start making great, innovative games like you used to. I guarantee the community will be behind you from the ofset.

Does he still have the coding style skills? That's going to be the biggest potential hurdle. Coding has changed quite a bit since he started. Unless he's keeping up with his skillset, he doesn't really have that option anymore.

That's what interns are for.

 

[samsonguy920]

I don't intend to discredit Notch (I love Minecraft), but wasn't Minecraft built on, or heavily inspired by this other game "Infiniminer"? I wonder how the Infiniminer developers feel about Notch getting all the credit for a game concept they invented.

I don't intend to discredit almost every developer on the industry(I love call of duty),but wasn't almost every FPS built on or heavily inspired by "Doom"?I wonder how the Doom developers feel about the AAA industry getting all the credit for a game concept they invented.

Oh Snap! IOW, Touche'

 

[lacktheknack]

*Insert stupid Peter Molyneux hate here*
Of course he likes it, I don't know anyone who doesn't like Minecraft.

...Check March Mayhem again...

OT: Maybe Peter will be inspired and will try to make another game off a similar concept? Considering how close many of his games come to perfection, it could be a fantastic result.

 

[lacktheknack]

Further proof this game is awful.

lolwut?

Peter Molyneux has made some of the best games of all time.

See: Black and White, Evil Genius, The Movies.

 

[Tiamat666]

I don't intend to discredit Notch (I love Minecraft), but wasn't Minecraft built on, or heavily inspired by this other game "Infiniminer"? I wonder how the Infiniminer developers feel about Notch getting all the credit for a game concept they invented.

I don't intend to discredit almost every developer on the industry(I love call of duty),but wasn't almost every FPS built on or heavily inspired by "Doom"?I wonder how the Doom developers feel about the AAA industry getting all the credit for a game concept they invented.

Instead of being such an ass about it, you could stop and think for a second. FPS is obviously an established genre and the merits of each game are no longer jugded mainly on the design of the game mechanics, but on other, more refined factors such as storyline and gameplay.

Minecraft (or Infiniminer) on the other hand introduced a few new concepts, and it seems to me that Minecraft is getting all the credit for all the -initial- creativity and game design that went into it. Minecraft certainly polished the concept, but I think that the initial spark and basic game idea came from the Infiniminer people, and nobody is talking about them and they aren't getting any job offers from Valve.

 

[Vibhor]

Instead of being such an ass about it, you could stop and think for a second. FPS is obviously an established genre and the merits of each game are no longer jugded mainly on the design of the game mechanics, but on other, more refined factors such as storyline and gameplay.

Minecraft (or Infiniminer) on the other hand introduced a few new concepts, and it seems to me that Minecraft is getting all the credit for all the -initial- creativity and game design that went into it. Minecraft certainly polished the concept, but I think that the initial spark and basic game idea came from the Infiniminer people, and nobody is talking about them and they aren't getting any job offers from Valve.

The one that needs to think is you.
Before Doom or even Wallenstein, there existed plenty FPS games.
Minecraft as of yet has not established any genre, and I don't know if it was writing fail on your part but game mechanics and design are what make the gameplay. Tell me this, what difference is between call of duty 1 and doom except the settings in term of gameplay?
You point at objects and press the fire button and the object gets obliterated. That is the FPS gameplay. Nothing more, nothing less.

Also,your second paragraph doesn't even makes sense.
Have you played Infiniminer? The gameplay in that was to mine minerals and deposit them which would add to the total team score. To achieve fun, you had to collect score. Whereas in Minecraft the goal is to mine stuff(not specifically minerals) and make buildings out of them.

The only thing similar is the destruction of cubes.
The art style is different, the setting is different, the mechanics are different. Almost everything is different.

According to you all the critical acclaim given to almost every FPS game is wrong because the first game in the then insignificant genre Maze war [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War] is not getting the credit at all.

You know if we go according to your words another valid criticism would be that Activision made gazillions of dollars by call of duty but not even 1$ is being given to maze war as they made the first FPS.

Also minecraft is not being lauded because it "invented" this type of gameplay, but because it made it popular AND fun.

And at the ass comment, I find it irony that the person who calls a person ass is not an ass himself because everything he did to prove that the other person is ass was wrong.

 

[Tiamat666]

The one that needs to think is you.
Before Doom or even Wallenstein, there existed plenty FPS games.
Minecraft as of yet has not established any genre, and I don't know if it was writing fail on your part but game mechanics and design are what make the gameplay. Tell me this, what difference is between call of duty 1 and doom except the settings in term of gameplay?
You point at objects and press the fire button and the object gets obliterated. That is the FPS gameplay. Nothing more, nothing less.

Also,your second paragraph doesn't even makes sense.
Have you played Infiniminer? The gameplay in that was to mine minerals and deposit them which would add to the total team score. To achieve fun, you had to collect score. Whereas in Minecraft the goal is to mine stuff(not specifically minerals) and make buildings out of them.

The only thing similar is the destruction of cubes.
The art style is different, the setting is different, the mechanics are different. Almost everything is different.

According to you all the critical acclaim given to almost every FPS game is wrong because the first game in the then insignificant genre Maze war [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War] is not getting the credit at all.

You know if we go according to your words another valid criticism would be that Activision made gazillions of dollars by call of duty but not even 1$ is being given to maze war as they made the first FPS.

Also minecraft is not being lauded because it "invented" this type of gameplay, but because it made it popular AND fun.

And at the ass comment, I find it irony that the person who calls a person ass is not an ass himself because everything he did to prove that the other person is ass was wrong.

The basic game mechanics are running around with guns in first person mode, shooting stuff. The gameplay is if you can jump, strafe, heal yourself, talk with people, etc. If you refuse to see the difference, there's no point in aguing with you about this.

It seems to be that everyone is praising Minecraft not only for the gameplay, presentation and "fun" of the game, but also for the new game mechanics of the random generated brick worlds, destroying bricks, collecting bricks, etc. If you watch Infiniminer in action, the similarities are obvious. All I'm saying is that alot of the inspiration for Minecraft came from different people that noone is talking about. You're the one who seems to has a problem with this statement and for some reason felt the need to be stuck up about it.

 

[Olrod]

Given Fable's reputation for being a bug-filled glitchfest, Peter doesn't really have any authority to comment on the merits of Minecraft.

He likes it? Big deal.

 

[Vibhor]

The basic game mechanics are running around with guns in first person mode, shooting stuff. The gameplay is if you can jump, strafe, heal yourself, talk with people, etc. If you refuse to see the difference, there's no point in aguing with you about this.

Game mechanics make gameplay! If you don't know that then I don't even know why am I even talking to you.

It seems to be that everyone is praising Minecraft not only for the gameplay, presentation and "fun" of the game, but also for the new game mechanics of the random generated brick worlds, destroying bricks, collecting bricks, etc. If you watch Infiniminer in action, the similarities are obvious. All I'm saying is that alot of the inspiration for Minecraft came from different people that noone is talking about. You're the one who seems to has a problem with this statement and for some reason felt the need to be stuck up about it.

Again read the previous posts I made and reflect upon what I had said because I hate repeating myself moreso then the people who make me do it.

 

[Tiamat666]

Again read the previous posts I made and reflect upon what I had said because I hate repeating myself moreso then the people who make me do it.

You do agree with me that FPS is a decades old, established genre whereas Minecraft and Infiniminer introduced something new, yes?
So would you also agree with me that it is perhaps unfitting to compare games of an established, decades old genre to games that introduce a completely new game mechanic, such as Minecraft? Would you? No, it seems not.

People are not praising Call of Duty or Half Life for inventing the FPS genre, but for other reasons: plot, controls, the additional gameplay elements. NOT the -core game mechanic- of running around shooting stuff. Everybody knows that they did not invent that, everybody knows what an FPS is, it's not worth focusing on that anymore.

This is the point that you refuse to see and why your very first quote where you attempt to ridicule my argument by drawing misguided parallels between Minecraft and established FPS games doesn't add up.

The hype that we are experiencing about Notch and Minecraft is not simply about Minecraft being a "great game" but also about the initial inspiration and creativity of the core game mechanics, which I believe were first introduced by Infiniminer.

But naturally I can't force you to see beyond your thin walls of reasoning on the basis of misguided assumptions.

 

[Vibhor]

You do agree with me that FPS is a decades old, established genre whereas Minecraft and Infiniminer introduced something new, yes?
So would you also agree with me that it is perhaps unfitting to compare games of an established, decades old genre to games that introduce a completely new game mechanic, such as Minecraft? Would you? No, it seems not.

When FPS were still new, every new FPS would be called Doom clone. Since minecraft is not yet established and there are already plenty of "clones", it is going to give us a new genre soon when it gets released.

People are not praising Call of Duty or Half Life for inventing the FPS genre, but for other reasons: plot, controls, the additional gameplay elements. NOT the -core game mechanic- of running around shooting stuff. Everybody knows that they did not invent that, everybody knows what an FPS is, it's not worth focusing on that anymore.

Similarly people are not praising minecraft for inventing the cube based games, they are praising it to popularize them. Plus minecraft has enough of new features to be called a different game. You can mine anything and place anything anywhere whereas in Infiniminer you had to mine minerals to get money and then only with that money you could make specific block,the ugly blue one.

This is the point that you refuse to see and why your very first quote where you attempt to ridicule my argument by drawing misguided parallels between Minecraft and established FPS games doesn't add up.

Okay, tell me what call of duty has added to doom except a story line?

The hype that we are experiencing about Notch and Minecraft is not simply about Minecraft being a "great game" but also about the initial inspiration and creativity of the core game mechanics, which I believe were first introduced by Infiniminer.

Yeah right. Infinimer once again was not a creative tool. You did not have hundreds of colored blocks to make pixel art or different types of material to make houses. All you had a blue bullshit block that did nothing and took up lotsa cash. Also Infiniminer's gameplay is not creative construction but team excavation. By how you define the game, it seems you haven't even played infiniminer.

But naturally I can't force you to see beyond your thin walls of reasoning on the basis of misguided assumptions.

Adding subtle insults won't improve your argument.

 

[Tiamat666]

Okay, tell me what call of duty has added to doom except a story line?

You mean besides crouching, jumping, alternate fire modes, scoped rifles, automatic healing, respawning enemies, grenades, gunner modes, companions, artillery fire, talking NPCs, cinematic sequences, being on boats or aircraft... anyway, I don't know why I need to explain any of this to you. You are obviously one of those people who is to proud to ever back off or admit to a bad argument. And you simply don't want to understand what I'm talking about.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Its bad that my first thought after seeing the title of this thread was 'He's probably lying' :S

OT: Does anyone else think that the entire plot of Fable 3 was him making excuses as to why he can't keep promises.