Philosophy time!

[SillyNilly]

Anyway,can emotionally dead people be resurrected,or Revival Kills Zombie in this case?

You mean overwhelming feelings of apathy? If you are looking for that answer, then yes. But it takes years to overcome wrongs and strong feelings that have caused dullness in emotion.

As for zombies, a zombie outbreak is a hypothetical situation which can be regarded as a possible scenario because there is proof that it can happen. A revival can kill a zombie, but the truth is that a zombie cannot revert back to its original human form because of the consequential dead brain matter that results of zombification. I suppose the only way we will know if this is true is if a zombie outbreak actually happens, or we just study the effects of voodoo.

If zombification was real, then today's zombie would be the voodoo zombie. The victim's body is functioning, but the mind is in a deep sleep, or trance.

For a mind to be controlled by a virus and create the oh-so popular 'flesh eating zombie' would require the virus to starve the human body of certain chemicals, or incite rage or hunger by creating chemical reactions that stimulate the brain. I would say that viruses that starve the brain and body would create a fast-ravagous-zombie, while viruses that control the mind by dulling it would create slow-zombies.

I would say that parasites can have a stronger effect on the mind. They are fairly powerful, and can have the effect of mind control to get the host to provide the parasite whatever it needs. It happens in nature, and it is a more likely scenario for a zombie outbreak.

Now please, discuss! I must hear what you think of this!

 

[riskroWe]

Consciousness is always consciousness of something. Without the objective universe, we could not perceive anything, and there'd be no reason to perceive anything (nothing that would cause us to perceive anything). A mind in itself cannot create anything. What we call 'creativity' is just combining old ideas - you cannot imagine a new colour.

Here's a question that bothers me: Why does ignorance make us happy and knowledge make us depressed? Surely knowledge is more to our evolutionary benefit.

And if you posit that something exists outside of our universe, in what sense can it be said to exist?

 

[Uncompetative]

Would our lives be in any way devalued if they were a dream. Even if they were someone else's dream?

 

[Kollega]

Anyway,can emotionally dead people be resurrected,or Revival Kills Zombie in this case?

You mean overwhelming feelings of apathy? If you are looking for that answer, then yes. But it takes years to overcome wrongs and strong feelings that have caused dullness in emotion.

As for zombies, a zombie outbreak is a hypothetical situation which can be regarded as a possible scenario because there is proof that it can happen. A revival can kill a zombie, but the truth is that a zombie cannot revert back to its original human form because of the consequential dead brain matter that results of zombification. I suppose the only way we will know if this is true is if a zombie outbreak actually happens, or we just study the effects of voodoo.

If zombification was real, then today's zombie would be the voodoo zombie. The victim's body is functioning, but the mind is in a deep sleep, or trance.

For a mind to be controlled by a virus and create the oh-so popular 'flesh eating zombie' would require the virus to starve the human body of certain chemicals, or incite rage or hunger by creating chemical reactions that stimulate the brain. I would say that viruses that starve the brain and body would create a fast-ravagous-zombie, while viruses that control the mind by dulling it would create slow-zombies.

I would say that parasites can have a stronger effect on the mind. They are fairly powerful, and can have the effect of mind control to get the host to provide the parasite whatever it needs. It happens in nature, and it is a more likely scenario for a zombie outbreak.

Now please, discuss! I must hear what you think of this!

Sorry to disappoint,but "Zombie" was metaphorical. By "Zombie" i meant emotionally dead human. And you wrote a post about zombie apocalypse.

LOOOOOOOOOOLZ.

 

[Eleuthera]

I don't really think color blindness qualifies as proof that we all perceive color the same way; there are specific tests that are designed to show color blindness in individuals, but that's a genetic abnormality, and all it really proves is that some people don't see colors the way they should. You could also say that those tests wouldn't work the same for all people if some people saw colors differently, but I'm of the opinion that if they did see colors differently, it's also not much of a stretch to think that they might work just the same.

Sorry, I'm not really explaining myself well.

Being colourblind myself I have to say the question I get asked everytime I mention my "affliction" is: "So what do you see?" How am I supposed to answer that?

OT: Whether life is a dream or not doesn't really matter since it's the only one I'm aware of I'll just try to keep it up. As I kid I used to think maybe everyone was just acting and I was the only one who didn't know (this was before the Truman show, but essentially the same idea)

EDIT:

Would our lives be in any way devalued if they were a dream. Even if they were someone else's dream?

That's actually a pretty good movie

 

[WayOutThere]

Why does ignorance make us happy and knowledge make us depressed?

I don't believe it does though a lot of people seem to disagree...

*sigh* Once again....

who cares?

What do you mean who cares?

I think philosophy is a bunch of random nonsense made up by men born centuries ago. Though I cannot displace their need to arouse societies interests, they have been overcome by the modern-thoughted man.

Many times do they try to trivialize wrongdoing and attempt to place those wrongdoings into categorizations of thought (with terms that sound pleasing, hence the term usage) over what is simply right and wrong.

You cleary don't understand philosophy because you can't make moral claims in the first place without philosophy.

To go without philosophy is inevitably to trivialize wrongdoings because there would be no way to call them "wrong".

 

[oden636]

Plate believed we were all really tied up in the world of forms within a cave where we had puppeteers producing our lives infront of us with fire and finger puppets... how shadow puppets can make HDTV idk but we will roll with it..

 

[bluepilot]

It could be a dream

And when your dreamer awakens, that is when you die.

Perhaps in what we call `sleep` that is when we are truly awake, but we prefer to call the times that are awake `reality` because this state is the most consistant.

Our true existance may lie in chaos and unpredictability.

 

[Rensenhito]

The answer to the original question is simple: we will never know, and if we ever do, then it won't matter anymore.

 

[DragonsAteMyMarbles]

Life is nothing but an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
--Albert Einstein
(probably misquoted)

 

[BaldursBananaSoap]

Anyway,can emotionally dead people be resurrected,or Revival Kills Zombie in this case?

I...what?

OT: I don't think I have the imagination for this.

I if it is a dream,why do we feel pain?that would mean that it is a high level form of something similar to hypnosis,and not what we call a dream.

I've felt pain in dreams before. Actually, in almost all my dreams, and it's usually worse pain than I could ever imagine feeling in real life. Although I wouldn't call myself normal, so...

I thought I felt pain in a dream, I was puking up some ghastly red stuff, and I felt it come through my throat, then I awakened and it was all over my face.

 

[Jedamethis]

*sigh* Once again....

who cares?

What do you mean who cares?

Well......why do we want to know? I don't care if it's a dream because I can't do anything about it and it doesn't affect me. It's like worrying about moths in Japan, there is no reason for it.

 

[Fbuh]

I have very definite beliefs about how the universe and life works. Because I can only think through my mind, I am really the only one that exists fully in my universe. If I were to think through another mind, I would not be myself, which would negate my very own existence. Therefore, nobody else really exists in this life unless I want them to. As far as I see it, there are only very small number of people that actually exist in my world. To give an inkling of how small, I could count them on one hand.

 

[Smudge91]

Stephen Law is my hero and i would gladly have his babies haha.
I haven't read most of the thread. One thing annoys me about philosophy and that is when people say well my philosophy is... when it isn't philosophy it is an opinion grrr. Political philosophy and philosophy of the mind to me is more interresting than religion and knowledge. I did my synopitc on philosophy of the mind and the effect of it from Descartes meditations.

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*ahem*
Descartes pointed out in his first mediation (I think it was the first...) that people do not learn in a dream, but you do in real life. Therefore we are not in a dream. However, as for the idea of "Is this reality 'real"?" read on...

According to Descartes, this could very well be a possibility, that this reality is an illusion, as the only fundamental truth one can be certain of is one's own existence, because the senses cannot be trusted as sources of foundational truth.

That would be in meditation VI. Meditation I is where he questions if he is in a dream like state, his brain in a vat theory. However to escape from the dream world Descartes uses empiricism which obviously makes his argument fundamentally flawed. Using dreams as a method of philosophical doubt as to whether we are on our own and we are but a dream is an infinite regression which causes the argument to become ad absurdum, such as you say. Also Descartes uses dualism etc to get out of this dream. My days i hate Descartes.
Edit: i've noticed from reading the thread now that most of the discussion is about the self, the mind and perception. Personaly i'm a materialist, we're all one physical substance and the mind is not a "higher self" in the Plato's theory realm of the forms, its in our brains. We feel pain because that is it we feel pain in our bodies. We can only ever be probably certain at best and can never avoid the skeptic which makes everything impossible to be uncertain apart from logic, maths etc. Which are tautologies and cookie for the person that recognises this..."tautologies only give rise to other tautologies" its not an exact quote but near enough.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Plate believed we were all really tied up in the world of forms within a cave where we had puppeteers producing our lives infront of us with fire and finger puppets... how shadow puppets can make HDTV idk but we will roll with it..

Honestly, this is probably one of the better descriptions of Plato's laughably awful philosophy even though the cave and shadow puppets were just a metaphor.

 

[obex]

** NOTE! THIS THREAD IS ONLY FOR THOSE WITH MORE THEN 10 IQ POINTS **

Like Philosophy? Let's discuss it!

Let's start with the big question..

Is our life a dream?

Well,I honestly don't know. If it is,I doubt it is me that is dreaming. Maybe it is you,or the dog,or the mailman.

Discuss!

If this is a dream and we have been in this dream forever since we were born what makes this any different from reality

No, it's not. There is reality beyond our minds. And if you claim to need it proven to you, you're a harmful subversive who should be locked away from normal people.

Pics or it didn't happen

 

[Iampringles]

If life is a dream, then what is a dream?

A dream within a dream?

The possibilites are endless.

 

[Fauxity]

Anyway,can emotionally dead people be resurrected,or Revival Kills Zombie in this case?

I...what?

OT: I don't think I have the imagination for this.

I if it is a dream,why do we feel pain?that would mean that it is a high level form of something similar to hypnosis,and not what we call a dream.

I've felt pain in dreams before. Actually, in almost all my dreams, and it's usually worse pain than I could ever imagine feeling in real life. Although I wouldn't call myself normal, so...

I thought I felt pain in a dream, I was puking up some ghastly red stuff, and I felt it come through my throat, then I awakened and it was all over my face.

That is pretty disgusting. Thank you for sharing, though, I guess.

 

[Zac_Dai]

Is our life a dream?

I don't like this deep ontologic/epistemologic philosophy; there's nothing in it to hold onto and in the end it still gets you nowhere. I prefer philosophers who show you a way of life like for example Nietzsche.

Ok, Nietzcheanism is the only philosophy I have profund knowledge of, but still it's the only one that managed to grab my attention, so I can safely call myself a Nietzscheanist. There's so many things this guy agrees with me on, yet manages to say it better, he's like an older, wiser me.

Same as me, Philosophy of Life is where its at.

Big fan of Nietzsche myself as well, he has had me thinking about life more than most philosophers.

This quote out of Beyond Good & Evil has always stayed with me.

?Independence is for the very few; it is a privilege of the strong. And whoever attempts it even with the best right but without inner constraint proves that he is probably not only strong, but also daring to the point of recklessness. ?He multiplies a thousand fold the dangers which life brings with it?.?

To me I think about this in the context of being your own person and trying to live by your own ideals.

I always remember it (especially the bold section) when I feel I've had to over comprise or given in to a person or situation that I didn't agree with. Something I feel happens regularly in the workplace.

My thoughts are a bit untidy right now so I'll probably edit this post at some point to be more clear.

 

[Walden]

** NOTE! THIS THREAD IS ONLY FOR THOSE WITH MORE THEN 10 IQ POINTS **

Like Philosophy? Let's discuss it!

Let's start with the big question..

Is our life a dream?

Well,I honestly don't know. If it is,I doubt it is me that is dreaming. Maybe it is you,or the dog,or the mailman.

Discuss!

I don't think life is a dream. If it were a dream, we couldn't know that it was unless someone presented evidence to the contrary. Since no one (that I know of) has done this, it's logical to conclude that life isn't a dream. I find it very strange that Descartes got so hung up on this issue; it's quite simple, if you think about it the right way.