Philosophy time

[Souplex]

Many Atheists claim that they don't worship god because there is no argument for or against it. (In reality they all just worship Athe the incarnation of nothingness which seeks to render everything as nothingness) However, some people argue that if the premises are true then the outcome is true. Descartes came up with a fairly simple reasoning for the existence of a perfect being. "A cause cannot create an effect greater than itself therefore somewhere down the line there had to be a perfect being" I ask all you atheists and agnostics to try and find a hole in this logic.

 

[JRCB]

I do not give a damn. I like living life not caring about religion. So this is my response.

P.S. Are you asking for a flame war?

 

[Souplex]

P.S. Are you asking for a flame war?

You can't let lifes questions go unanswered out of fear. I didn't mention religion in the title so it wont attract trolls as much.

Well... Why can't an effect be greater than its cause?

It is a basic concept of physics and programming. If I punch you with one pound of force you are not going to be launched 15 miles. Similarly in programming a system cannot design a system more complicated than itself.

 

[Radeonx]

Do you know why I'm an Atheist? I'm an atheist because I don't find the concept of God enjoyable, so I choose not to believe in him.

 

[Eldarion]

Many Atheists claim that they don't worship god because there is no argument for or against it. (In reality they all just worship Athe the incarnation of nothingness which seeks to render everything as nothingness) However, some people argue that if the premises are true then the outcome is true. Descartes came up with a fairly simple reasoning for the existence of a perfect being. "A cause cannot create an effect greater than itself therefore somewhere down the line there had to be a perfect being" I ask all you atheists and agnostics to try and find a hole in this logic.

Why should we?

You are directly challenging the beliefs of others to satisfy your own ego, thats wrong.

Also, the science behind nuclear reactions is based on the idea of a reaction producing greater energy than you put in.

Therefore that logic is flawed.

I win with science.

 

[crudus]

The hole is the "burden of proof" logical fallacy that you are providing. As far as Descartes goes: he seems to assume that the universe is like a bouncing ball that doesn't bounce as high as the next bounce. It is more cyclical than that.

Well... Why can't an effect be greater than its cause?

It's called Fusion (and fission to a lesser extent). If an effect can't be bigger than the cause then how did Hiroshima and Nagasaki go bye-bye?

 

[DannyBoy451]

Many Atheists claim that they don't worship god because there is no argument for or against it. (In reality they all just worship Athe the incarnation of nothingness which seeks to render everything as nothingness) However, some people argue that if the premises are true then the outcome is true. Descartes came up with a fairly simple reasoning for the existence of a perfect being. "A cause cannot create an effect greater than itself therefore somewhere down the line there had to be a perfect being" I ask all you atheists and agnostics to try and find a hole in this logic.

Wait, what?

 

[Sassafrass]

I do not give a damn. I like living life not caring about religion. So this is my response.

P.S. Are you asking for a flame war?

Pretty much this. I'm living life without religion and am enjoying it.

 

[JRCB]

P.S. Are you asking for a flame war?

You can't let lifes questions go unanswered out of fear. I didn't mention religion in the title so it wont attract trolls as much.

Maybe I am not asking. Maybe I am fine not knowing. Either way, I do not care. However, others here will guard their opinions in an insane manner, resulting in.... well, you know.

I hope this stays civilized.

 

[Eldarion]

Many Atheists claim that they don't worship god because there is no argument for or against it. (In reality they all just worship Athe the incarnation of nothingness which seeks to render everything as nothingness)

Ok you have NO CLUE what you are talking about.

We just don't believe in god. Simple as that. And I first rejected god before deciding I didn't believe in him.

You don't know crap about what you are criticizing.

 

[Thaius]

Many Atheists claim that they don't worship god because there is no argument for or against it. (In reality they all just worship Athe the incarnation of nothingness which seeks to render everything as nothingness) However, some people argue that if the premises are true then the outcome is true. Descartes came up with a fairly simple reasoning for the existence of a perfect being. "A cause cannot create an effect greater than itself therefore somewhere down the line there had to be a perfect being" I ask all you atheists and agnostics to try and find a hole in this logic.

I actually was just studying Descartes in one of my college classes. Interesting stuff: I agree with the statement he made.

Notice, however, that most of the reasoning of the people here comes down to "I don't like it, so I don't believe in it." Guys, you realize that if it's true, it won't matter whether you like it or not? Good luck with that.

 

[Insanum]

Religion thread.

You REALLY should know better.

So basically your saying that as a species we are Completely unable to move forward, only backwards?

Think you may need to look in the history books there kidda.

 

[Souplex]

Do you know why I'm an Atheist? I'm an atheist because I don't find the concept of God enjoyable, so I choose not to believe in him.

This isn't the reasoning for any specific religions idea of god, it is just the reasoning for a highest power.

 

[Necrofudge]

I just find it amazing that you cant even fathom the idea that someone just wouldn't worship anything. Why is it a requirement that everyone sacrifices a goat to a different imaginary friend in your world?

 

[Sightless Wisdom]

I'm all for philisophical talk, but(and no offense) that was poorly worded. A better explination of what you want us to discuss would have been nice. Since there isn't one, I will have to take a bit of a general standpoint. I'm an Atheist, or rather I'm almost a part of a non-theistic religion. I don't beleive in any higher beings. Or at least in the common sense, so maybe I should just say I'm agnostic...or better yet, confused. Anyway, what I like to beleive is that perhaps there is some sort of supperior being, a perfect being. But I don't beleive we as humans will ever comprehend what this means, we will never truly understand the answers to our questions, even if we do find them.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Many Atheists claim that they don't worship god because there is no argument for or against it. (In reality they all just worship Athe the incarnation of nothingness which seeks to render everything as nothingness) However, some people argue that if the premises are true then the outcome is true. Descartes came up with a fairly simple reasoning for the existence of a perfect being. "A cause cannot create an effect greater than itself therefore somewhere down the line there had to be a perfect being" I ask all you atheists and agnostics to try and find a hole in this logic.

Gee, you stumped me!

Not because of your overwhelmingly powerful and sound argument, but simply because there are so many things wrong about your so called "argument" and your post that I simply cannot choose where to start...

 

[SovietSecrets]

Many Atheists claim that they don't worship god because there is no argument for or against it. (In reality they all just worship Athe the incarnation of nothingness which seeks to render everything as nothingness)

Ok you have NO CLUE what you are talking about.

We just don't believe in god. Simple as that. And I first rejected god before deciding I didn't believe in him.

You don't know crap about what you are criticizing.

Uh have you taken philosophy ever? Atheists say prove to me there is a God while people who do believe say prove to me there isn't to atheists. It's a subjective topic where nothing can be proven because you can't give evidence to something like this so hence no point in arguing about it like the OT said. Plus both sides usually reverse the burden of proof telling each other to prove it.

 

[EchetusXe]

(In reality they all just worship Athe the incarnation of nothingness which seeks to render everything as nothingness)

lolwut?

However, some people argue that if the premises are true then the outcome is true. Descartes came up with a fairly simple reasoning for the existence of a perfect being. "A cause cannot create an effect greater than itself therefore somewhere down the line there had to be a perfect being" I ask all you atheists and agnostics to try and find a hole in this logic.

So what caused the perfect being?

 

[Silly_Billy]

Many Atheists claim that they don't worship god because there is no argument for or against it. (In reality they all just worship Athe the incarnation of nothingness which seeks to render everything as nothingness) However, some people argue that if the premises are true then the outcome is true. Descartes came up with a fairly simple reasoning for the existence of a perfect being. "A cause cannot create an effect greater than itself therefore somewhere down the line there had to be a perfect being" I ask all you atheists and agnostics to try and find a hole in this logic.

Wait, what?

I'm not going to bother looking Athe up but your logic is very, very flawed. Are aquaphobics afraid of the goddess Aquarius?

 

[DannyBoy451]

Many Atheists claim that they don't worship god because there is no argument for or against it. (In reality they all just worship Athe the incarnation of nothingness which seeks to render everything as nothingness) However, some people argue that if the premises are true then the outcome is true. Descartes came up with a fairly simple reasoning for the existence of a perfect being. "A cause cannot create an effect greater than itself therefore somewhere down the line there had to be a perfect being" I ask all you atheists and agnostics to try and find a hole in this logic.

Wait, what?

I'm not going to bother looking Athe up but your logic is very, very flawed. Are aquaphobics afraid of the goddess Aquarius?

I think "Athe" is a typo, and he meant to write "the"