Philosophy

[MD3791]

"You don't put no baby in the wood"

 

[Uzigawa]

This thread has gone penguin tits.

i...i...do i even wanna ask?

 

[Uzigawa]

"You don't put no baby in the wood"

w.w..wha!?

 

[grimsprice]

This thread has gone penguin tits.

i...i...do i even wanna ask?

If a penguin ever looked down and said "Jesus Christ! I've got FUCKING tits!!!!", thats about how this thread feels. Ostensibly, its a "whats your personal philosophy" thread, but its mostly funny movie quotes and a particle physics discussion on Shrodingers cat. Its basically the same thing.

 

[Chefodeath]

Imagine my disappointment coming into this thread thinking it was going to be about philosophy, when it's really about failed submissions to the Hallmark Card Corporation and witty credos. Questioning truth without establishing a set definition for knowledge is sorta silly. I haven't really come across any definition of knowledge that I don't find troubling in some way.

Care to try mine on for size?

Knowledge is. That's it. Given that we live in the subjective shell of our own skulls, is not all experience of the world some sort of knowledge? Everything that passes across the stage of conciousness can be said to be knowledge.

You might say thats a more fitting definition for raw information, that knowledge is something higher, but I think thats an arbitrary line really. We tend to organize our knowledge with labels such as true and false, to help define our world and act accordingly.

Honestly though, on what intrinsic level can any knowledge be more or less true, more or less real, than any other knowledge? If I say their are flying pink elephants, does this not draw from the same conceptual elements of flight, pink, and elephant commonly believed to be found in nature? If I say there exists round triangles, does it not too draw from the concepts of roundness and triangularity? Its all just a question of how we choose to organize these familiar elements.

There's my thought anyway. Knowledge isn't true or false. Knowledge isn't good or evil. Knowledge is.

 

[Uzigawa]

This thread has gone penguin tits.

i...i...do i even wanna ask?

If a penguin ever looked down and said "Jesus Christ! I've got FUCKING tits!!!!", thats about how this thread feels. Ostensibly, its a "whats your personal philosophy" thread, but its mostly funny movie quotes and a particle physics discussion on Shrodingers cat. Its basically the same thing.

i still don't understand what penguin tits have to do with hypothetical dead kitties in boxes

 

[Uzigawa]

Imagine my disappointment coming into this thread thinking it was going to be about philosophy, when it's really about failed submissions to the Hallmark Card Corporation and witty credos. Questioning truth without establishing a set definition for knowledge is sorta silly. I haven't really come across any definition of knowledge that I don't find troubling in some way.

Care to try mine on for size?

Knowledge is. That's it. Given that we live in the subjective shell of our own skulls, is not all experience of the world some sort of knowledge? Everything that passes across the stage of conciousness can be said to be knowledge.

You might say thats a more fitting definition for raw information, that knowledge is something higher, but I think thats an arbitrary line really. We tend to organize our knowledge with labels such as true and false, to help define our world and act accordingly.

Honestly though, on what intrinsic level can any knowledge be more or less true, more or less real, then any other knowledge? If I say their are flying pink elephants, does this not draw from the same conceptual elements of flight, pink, and elephant commonly believed to be found in nature? If I say their exists round triangles, does it not too draw from the concepts of roundness triangularity? Its all just a question of how we choose to organize these familiar elements.

There's my thought anyway. Knowledge isn't true or false. Knowledge isn't good or evil. Knowledge is.

wow, a completely serious, intelligent quote, that really makes sense and changes perceptions, i almost wanna say the end is nigh, but wow, i like it.

 

[Uzigawa]

"Why live forever if you can't enjoy life's little sins?" -Eric Lambert (i know, kinda cliche)

 

[grimsprice]

This thread has gone penguin tits.

i...i...do i even wanna ask?

If a penguin ever looked down and said "Jesus Christ! I've got FUCKING tits!!!!", thats about how this thread feels. Ostensibly, its a "whats your personal philosophy" thread, but its mostly funny movie quotes and a particle physics discussion on Shrodingers cat. Its basically the same thing.

i still don't understand what penguin tits have to do with hypothetical dead kitties in boxes

Well then i resign myself to saying "oh bother".

 

[Uzigawa]

This thread has gone penguin tits.

i...i...do i even wanna ask?

If a penguin ever looked down and said "Jesus Christ! I've got FUCKING tits!!!!", thats about how this thread feels. Ostensibly, its a "whats your personal philosophy" thread, but its mostly funny movie quotes and a particle physics discussion on Shrodingers cat. Its basically the same thing.

i still don't understand what penguin tits have to do with hypothetical dead kitties in boxes

Well then i resign myself to saying "oh bother".

oh so now you're british and into beastiality, you freaky british penguin tit lover

 

[grimsprice]

oh so now you're british and into beastiality, you freaky british penguin tit lover

Lolwut.

I'm not british, and penguins don't have tits. THEY'RE AVIANS. They lay eggs. Birds don't nurse fee their young, thats a mammalian thing. That was the point of my comp.... ... oh never mind.

 

[Biosophilogical]

I need to know if there is still hope in this world, if there are still people out there questioning truth, i want you to put up your favorite Philosophical idea, that you thought up yourself, here is mine to get started

"Love, or what we call Love, is not something that just one word can encompass, it is what we live, it is ourselves, our neighbors and the very air we breath, Love is more than just what we feel when we like a girl or a boy, it is everything." -Eric Lambert (2010)

I'd like to point out that we hav a word that encompasses love ... coincidentally, it's "love". The only issue is that people fail to fully comprehend its meaning, so the fault of it lies with the interpreters not the interpreted.

OT: I don't really like the opinions of other people. I'll look at them, but it isn't about "Oh some smart guy said this" it is more "Some guy, coincidentally smart, said something I agree with ... so I remain unaffected by this person's established beliefs".

If I had to sum up my own philosophy though? "The morals you have in life, the meaning you take from it and the impact you leave on it are all subjective, so don't give a flying excrement what others think, do whatever you believe to be the best action at any given time"

 

[Uzigawa]

I need to know if there is still hope in this world, if there are still people out there questioning truth, i want you to put up your favorite Philosophical idea, that you thought up yourself, here is mine to get started

"Love, or what we call Love, is not something that just one word can encompass, it is what we live, it is ourselves, our neighbors and the very air we breath, Love is more than just what we feel when we like a girl or a boy, it is everything." -Eric Lambert (2010)

I'd like to point out that we hav a word that encompasses love ... coincidentally, it's "love". The only issue is that people fail to fully comprehend its meaning, so the fault of it lies with the interpreters not the interpreted.

OT: I don't really like the opinions of other people. I'll look at them, but it isn't about "Oh some smart guy said this" it is more "Some guy, coincidentally smart, said something I agree with ... so I remain unaffected by this person's established beliefs".

If I had to sum up my own philosophy though? "The morals you have in life, the meaning you take from it and the impact you leave on it are all subjective, so don't give a flying excrement what others think, do whatever you believe to be the best action at any given time"

i wasn't saying love means anything other than that feeling, but i feel like Love is such a broad subject, the small word in which it is housed couldn't possibly sum up how we feel, we only use it to speed up conversations, if we said what we feel, we'd be talking for hours, and sometimes i wish i could just do that instead of this lumped together hideous mask that we hide behind we say love.

Edit: if everyone has their own concept on what love is, when i say i love someone, then they get a different message than what i meant, you see? if we all had the same ideas on love, it would just be another word to say when overjoyed, but if we abstain from it's use everyday, it can actually mean something

 

[Dags90]

Care to try mine on for size?

Knowledge is. That's it. Given that we live in the subjective shell of our own skulls, is not all experience of the world some sort of knowledge? Everything that passes across the stage of conciousness can be said to be knowledge.

You might say thats a more fitting definition for raw information, that knowledge is something higher, but I think thats an arbitrary line really. We tend to organize our knowledge with labels such as true and false, to help define our world and act accordingly.

Honestly though, on what intrinsic level can any knowledge be more or less true, more or less real, than any other knowledge? If I say their are flying pink elephants, does this not draw from the same conceptual elements of flight, pink, and elephant commonly believed to be found in nature? If I say there exists round triangles, does it not too draw from the concepts of roundness and triangularity? Its all just a question of how we choose to organize these familiar elements.

There's my thought anyway. Knowledge isn't true or false. Knowledge isn't good or evil. Knowledge is.

There are many different types of knowledge. The way one knows how to ride a bike is different from the way one knows that 2 + 2 = 4. A particular problem arises in English where one may know a person or a place, which is distinct from knowing of that person or place.

So far you've only demonstrated what knowledge isn't, and that it exists.

 

[Uzigawa]

Care to try mine on for size?

Knowledge is. That's it. Given that we live in the subjective shell of our own skulls, is not all experience of the world some sort of knowledge? Everything that passes across the stage of conciousness can be said to be knowledge.

You might say thats a more fitting definition for raw information, that knowledge is something higher, but I think thats an arbitrary line really. We tend to organize our knowledge with labels such as true and false, to help define our world and act accordingly.

Honestly though, on what intrinsic level can any knowledge be more or less true, more or less real, than any other knowledge? If I say their are flying pink elephants, does this not draw from the same conceptual elements of flight, pink, and elephant commonly believed to be found in nature? If I say there exists round triangles, does it not too draw from the concepts of roundness and triangularity? Its all just a question of how we choose to organize these familiar elements.

There's my thought anyway. Knowledge isn't true or false. Knowledge isn't good or evil. Knowledge is.

There are many different types of knowledge. The way one knows how to ride a bike is different from the way one knows that 2 + 2 = 4. A particular problem arises in English where one may know a person or a place, which is distinct from knowing of that person or place.

So far you've only demonstrated what knowledge isn't, and that it exists.

see, and you came in and thought we wouldn't actually talk about philosophy, what you talk about is for your choosing

 

[Biosophilogical]

I need to know if there is still hope in this world, if there are still people out there questioning truth, i want you to put up your favorite Philosophical idea, that you thought up yourself, here is mine to get started

"Love, or what we call Love, is not something that just one word can encompass, it is what we live, it is ourselves, our neighbors and the very air we breath, Love is more than just what we feel when we like a girl or a boy, it is everything." -Eric Lambert (2010)

I'd like to point out that we hav a word that encompasses love ... coincidentally, it's "love". The only issue is that people fail to fully comprehend its meaning, so the fault of it lies with the interpreters not the interpreted.

OT: I don't really like the opinions of other people. I'll look at them, but it isn't about "Oh some smart guy said this" it is more "Some guy, coincidentally smart, said something I agree with ... so I remain unaffected by this person's established beliefs".

If I had to sum up my own philosophy though? "The morals you have in life, the meaning you take from it and the impact you leave on it are all subjective, so don't give a flying excrement what others think, do whatever you believe to be the best action at any given time"

i wasn't saying love means anything other than that feeling, but i feel like Love is such a broad subject, the small word in which it is housed couldn't possibly sum up how we feel, we only use it to speed up conversations, if we said what we feel, we'd be talking for hours, and sometimes i wish i could just do that instead of this lumped together hideous mask that we hide behind we say love.

I get what you mean, I was just pointing out that while it may feel inadequate that is because you view it that way, not because the word itself is inadequate. So basically, the word means everything you could possibly want it to mean (relating to love) you just ... (I'm hesitant to use the word 'fail' due to its negative connatations so instead I'll use 'bleh') ... you just bleh to fully associate all of your feelings towards the emotion with the word itself.

 

[Uzigawa]

I need to know if there is still hope in this world, if there are still people out there questioning truth, i want you to put up your favorite Philosophical idea, that you thought up yourself, here is mine to get started

"Love, or what we call Love, is not something that just one word can encompass, it is what we live, it is ourselves, our neighbors and the very air we breath, Love is more than just what we feel when we like a girl or a boy, it is everything." -Eric Lambert (2010)

I'd like to point out that we hav a word that encompasses love ... coincidentally, it's "love". The only issue is that people fail to fully comprehend its meaning, so the fault of it lies with the interpreters not the interpreted.

OT: I don't really like the opinions of other people. I'll look at them, but it isn't about "Oh some smart guy said this" it is more "Some guy, coincidentally smart, said something I agree with ... so I remain unaffected by this person's established beliefs".

If I had to sum up my own philosophy though? "The morals you have in life, the meaning you take from it and the impact you leave on it are all subjective, so don't give a flying excrement what others think, do whatever you believe to be the best action at any given time"

i wasn't saying love means anything other than that feeling, but i feel like Love is such a broad subject, the small word in which it is housed couldn't possibly sum up how we feel, we only use it to speed up conversations, if we said what we feel, we'd be talking for hours, and sometimes i wish i could just do that instead of this lumped together hideous mask that we hide behind we say love.

I get what you mean, I was just pointing out that while it may feel inadequate that is because you view it that way, not because the word itself is inadequate. So basically, the word means everything you could possibly want it to mean (relating to love) you just ... (I'm hesitant to use the word 'fail' due to its negative connatations so instead I'll use 'bleh') ... you just bleh to fully associate all of your feelings towards the emotion with the word itself.

alright, you got me there, but still, kinda wish we had a more poetic language than just one word meaning something, ya it's easy to learn, and we pretty much get the point across, but it's purely barbaric and simplistic compared to say, japanese, or french, where one word means countless things, i guess it gets confusing, plus my original statements were against one word meaning a lot of things, wow kinda counter productive post...nevermind all that.. pay no heed to the man behind the curtain

 

[Uzigawa]

Since we're on the subject of questioning things, here's a nice wall of text for ya, straight from one of my favourite philosophical works:

Not only in the world of commerce but also in the world of ideas our age has arranged a regular clearance-sale. Everything may be had at such absurdedly low prices that very soon the question will arise whether any one cares to bid. Every waiter with a speculative turn who carefully marks the significant progress of modern philosophy, every lecturer in philosophy, every tutor, student, every sticker-and‑quitter of philosophy?they are not content with doubting everything, but "go right on." It might, possibly, be ill‑timed and inopportune to ask them whither they are bound; but it is no doubt polite and modest to take it for granted that they have doubted everything?else it were a curious statement for them to make, that they were proceeding onward. So they have, all of them, completed that preliminary operation and, it would seem, with such ease that they do not think it necessary to waste a word about how they did it. The fact is, not even he who looked anxiously and with a troubled spirit for some little point of information, ever found one, nor any instruction, nor even any little dietetic prescription, as to how one is to accomplish this enormous task. "But did not Descartes proceed in this fashion?" Descartes, indeed! that venerable, humble, honest thinker whose writings surely no one can read without deep emotion?Descartes did what he said, and said what he did. Alas, alas! that is a mighty rare thing in our times! But Descartes, as he says frequently enough, never uttered doubts concerning his faith. . . .

wow, i was an inch away from just saying tl;dr, but i remembered last time i did that i got put on probation

EDIT: k, i'm not as smart as i try to make myself sound, i read about the first paragraph, and couldn't read anymore, too many big words, totally zoned

 

[zehydra]

Why would I want to question truth?

You have to know what truth is in order to question it, and in order to do know what it is, you have to ask yourself philosophical questions. There is no way around it.

 

[Chefodeath]

I need to know if there is still hope in this world, if there are still people out there questioning truth, i want you to put up your favorite Philosophical idea, that you thought up yourself, here is mine to get started

"Love, or what we call Love, is not something that just one word can encompass, it is what we live, it is ourselves, our neighbors and the very air we breath, Love is more than just what we feel when we like a girl or a boy, it is everything." -Eric Lambert (2010)

I'd like to point out that we hav a word that encompasses love ... coincidentally, it's "love". The only issue is that people fail to fully comprehend its meaning, so the fault of it lies with the interpreters not the interpreted.

OT: I don't really like the opinions of other people. I'll look at them, but it isn't about "Oh some smart guy said this" it is more "Some guy, coincidentally smart, said something I agree with ... so I remain unaffected by this person's established beliefs".

If I had to sum up my own philosophy though? "The morals you have in life, the meaning you take from it and the impact you leave on it are all subjective, so don't give a flying excrement what others think, do whatever you believe to be the best action at any given time"

You remind me of a funny story. Once upon a time there was a prince freshly upon marrying age. He lived in a lavish palace, and for this, most of the poor farmers that habited his kingdom resented him for it. Now, the prince could have had any woman he desired, but he had set his eye upon a young peasant lass who worked the farm. The woman laughed at his offers of matrimony, spat in his direction when he came here. She hated the prince like so many others, loathed that he lived in luxury while the rest labored under the cruel sun.

The prince was persistent however, even though each time she repelled his advances. Fed up with all this nonsense, the farm maiden brought herself to the prince's palace one day, to embaress him infront of the lords and ladies in his courts. Oh how she despised the fine woven gold that laced his tapestries and how it danced the light. Oh how she loathed the decadent foreign spices in the tea they served her. The young maid made it a habit to drop by again, and again after that, to further debuke the prince as he lavished fine dresses and jewelry on her with each visit. They were married before the end of the year.

If you wish to resist outside influence, watch out for those ideas you find yourself so vehemently disagreeing with, so passionately resisting, for we make a special place in our hearts for those thoughts to haunt, somewhere very close for the place for love. Or perhaps you shouldn't be quite so afraid of what your fellow man has to say. Who knows, sometimes we might come up with something pretty smart.