Piracy, when is it legal?

ProfessorLayton

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Never. Something that's illegal can never be legal. If you had a book and then went into a store and stole a copy because you lost your original, they would still call the cops and you would still be in trouble.
 

Eternal_24

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When the man gets you down.

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By "the man", I mean "Adobe" and by "gets you down" I mean "makes you pay £2,500 for software which you need in order to do your college work".

Seriously, where is a student supposed to come up with that much money on top of course fees, travel fees and materials fees?
 

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MrBacon said:
I believe there's something about having backup copies of whatever piece of media you own, so you have you CD, and you backup on your mp3 player :)
Same for movies, you can make a backup iso, as long as you don't give it to anyone else. e.g. I made a copy of all of my Harry Potter DVDs a while back, and when PS got scratched beyond repair, I was allowed to make a new disc.
One backup, in one place, for one person. That's my understanding of the copying malarkey.

As for downloading, it's never legal. Unless of course, the person OFFICIALLY responsible for the product offers it for free.

Anyway, I might be completely wrong, but I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight.
But doesn't that mean you could buy a game, copy it, then sell it on in less than a day (probably getting full price for it)?
 

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AxelMiller said:
jasoncyrus said:
AxelMiller said:
Everything is pretty much illegal in the 2000 century. Even though its illegal its hard to resist downloading.
2000th century? We're living in the year 200,000 now?
:/ You get my point.

Perhaps i ment the 200th century. Whatever its called.
you mean the 21st Century?
 

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Never. It never is. Not in any way, shape, or form. Piracy simply means that not only are you not willing to actually buy the games you play but you take advantage of the hard work of many game developers throughout the world. Piracy is glorified theft more often than not.
 

CIA

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It's illegal, but I find nothing morally wrong with downloading the overpriced software of some multinational douchebag corporation.

Thats just me.
 

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Machines Are Us said:
No. If I lost my car it wouldn't be ok to go and take a new one.
True, but if you lost your car, then borrowed a friend's car, cloned it, returned their car and started using the cloned car.... see what I'm getting at here?
 

Doug

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Legal? None of them.

Morally ok by me? 2, 3, 4, 5.

Possible to get caught if you do it? 1, 2, 3. (assuming the DVD's have no insane level of security, like they break down after 72 hours or something).
 

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DuplicateValue said:
MrBacon said:
I believe there's something about having backup copies of whatever piece of media you own, so you have you CD, and you backup on your mp3 player :)
Same for movies, you can make a backup iso, as long as you don't give it to anyone else. e.g. I made a copy of all of my Harry Potter DVDs a while back, and when PS got scratched beyond repair, I was allowed to make a new disc.
One backup, in one place, for one person. That's my understanding of the copying malarkey.

As for downloading, it's never legal. Unless of course, the person OFFICIALLY responsible for the product offers it for free.

Anyway, I might be completely wrong, but I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight.
But doesn't that mean you could buy a game, copy it, then sell it on in less than a day (probably getting full price for it)?
No. It's a Backup. for you and only you. you must have the original too, otherwise it is a pirated copy, not a backup copy.
 

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AboveUp said:
All of these: No.

How hard it is to understand that piracy is illegal, period? It's still piracy.
Wrong. It's legal to download as many copies of a game as you want as long as you purchased it. So, unless you bought it second hand, I could download Fallout 3 legally as long as I once purchased it.
 

DuplicateValue

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MrBacon said:
DuplicateValue said:
MrBacon said:
I believe there's something about having backup copies of whatever piece of media you own, so you have you CD, and you backup on your mp3 player :)
Same for movies, you can make a backup iso, as long as you don't give it to anyone else. e.g. I made a copy of all of my Harry Potter DVDs a while back, and when PS got scratched beyond repair, I was allowed to make a new disc.
One backup, in one place, for one person. That's my understanding of the copying malarkey.

As for downloading, it's never legal. Unless of course, the person OFFICIALLY responsible for the product offers it for free.

Anyway, I might be completely wrong, but I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight.
But doesn't that mean you could buy a game, copy it, then sell it on in less than a day (probably getting full price for it)?
No. It's a Backup. for you and only you. you must have the original too, otherwise it is a pirated copy, not a backup copy.
But you could just say that you lost the game and nobody could prove otherwise, couldn't you?
 

DoctorWhat

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DuplicateValue said:
MrBacon said:
DuplicateValue said:
MrBacon said:
I believe there's something about having backup copies of whatever piece of media you own, so you have you CD, and you backup on your mp3 player :)
Same for movies, you can make a backup iso, as long as you don't give it to anyone else. e.g. I made a copy of all of my Harry Potter DVDs a while back, and when PS got scratched beyond repair, I was allowed to make a new disc.
One backup, in one place, for one person. That's my understanding of the copying malarkey.

As for downloading, it's never legal. Unless of course, the person OFFICIALLY responsible for the product offers it for free.

Anyway, I might be completely wrong, but I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight.
But doesn't that mean you could buy a game, copy it, then sell it on in less than a day (probably getting full price for it)?
No. It's a Backup. for you and only you. you must have the original too, otherwise it is a pirated copy, not a backup copy.
But you could just say that you lost the game and nobody could prove otherwise, couldn't you?
Does it make a difference? No-one's gonna come smashing your door down in the middle of the night to check...

Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's particularly well enforced...
 

Total LOLige

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the war on piracy is an un-winnable war because there are so many "pirates" and so many ways to hide what your doing.
 

Eldarion

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I ask for music that I like if a friend has it on an Ipod or something.

I don't consider it piracy to share music files.
 

beddo

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jasoncyrus said:
beddo said:
1. Correct
2. Wrong - Always illegal
3. Wrong - Always illegal
4. Correct
5. Wrong - The backup has to be personal, once you give it to someone you are illegally sharing the content. To share you can only lend the original.
6. Correct.
Actually with games it IS legal to download a rom if you own the catridge already (applies to gameboy games and emulators)
the third one also isn't illegal if its not shown in your country, an example is fansubs on japanese anime. (although with such a massive fanbase the makers of anime arn't exactly complaining about it since it boosts dvd sales immensely)
I don't know where people get this one from. No, it isn't legal to download a ROM if you own the original. You can extract the ROM from your own copy but you are not allowed to download it from someone else's copy.

Again, no, you can't legally download something just because it's not available in your country. Why? Because it may become available. If everyone's already seen it and shared it then its value depreciates to broadcasters and advertisers alike.

I'm not saying that anyone would bother with prosecution but technically, it's copyright theft. Assuming copyright is applied to the title.
 

beddo

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DuplicateValue said:
MrBacon said:
DuplicateValue said:
MrBacon said:
I believe there's something about having backup copies of whatever piece of media you own, so you have you CD, and you backup on your mp3 player :)
Same for movies, you can make a backup iso, as long as you don't give it to anyone else. e.g. I made a copy of all of my Harry Potter DVDs a while back, and when PS got scratched beyond repair, I was allowed to make a new disc.
One backup, in one place, for one person. That's my understanding of the copying malarkey.

As for downloading, it's never legal. Unless of course, the person OFFICIALLY responsible for the product offers it for free.

Anyway, I might be completely wrong, but I'm pretty sure I have my facts straight.
But doesn't that mean you could buy a game, copy it, then sell it on in less than a day (probably getting full price for it)?
No. It's a Backup. for you and only you. you must have the original too, otherwise it is a pirated copy, not a backup copy.
But you could just say that you lost the game and nobody could prove otherwise, couldn't you?
But if they found out, which they could, in theory. Then you would also be charged with perverting the course of justice as well.
 

Hamster at Dawn

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It's never legal. All those things you said are illegal... not that anyone gives a shit. I believe in supporting people who make games, music, films and what have you so I will usually fork out the cash for that reason.