Playstation 3, another lost feature.

[Danpascooch]

Wait, we can't play PS2 games on PS3 anymore? Why the hell not? Even though mine hasn't been used in two years I now consider it OFFICIALLY bricked.

 

[King Kupofried]

It's impressive how many people that seem to be missing the point and acting incredibly hostile towards the OP. The point is not that he used these features or not, it's asking if Sony is justified in striping out these features for the great holy quest of game developers to weakly try to stop piracy. This update for the people who actually used Linux now forces them to instead of using their console for entertainment spend an evening completely fixing up their PS3 so it can actually be usable.
Even if you don't agree with how the OP feels about what Sony is doing or the importance of it all there are much more graceful and civil ways to express that.

 

[shadow skill]

Wait, we can't play PS2 games on PS3 anymore? Why the hell not? Even though mine hasn't been used in two years I now consider it OFFICIALLY bricked.

No that is fine in the fat models. They just took away the ability to install Linux on the fat models.

 

[Danpascooch]

Honestly I don't think anyone took advantage or cared what OS was on their PS3. I surely don't care.

But...the OP says they had Linux on their PS3, so obviously at least one person took advantage of it and cared what was on their PS3.

Did you even read the OP?

Oh my god you nitpick at everything. Obviously the OP cares, but I don't, and didn't know anyone did until him. Seriously dude you deconstruct everything, it's the internet, stop caring.

Why're you getting so worked up over my reply? It's the internet, stop caring

ZING!

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I didn't even know it had Linux support. 0_0

 

[Danpascooch]

Wait, we can't play PS2 games on PS3 anymore? Why the hell not? Even though mine hasn't been used in two years I now consider it OFFICIALLY bricked.

No that is fine in the fat models. They just took away the ability to install Linux on the fat models.

Whew! Now I can go back to pretending I might start using it again in the distant future, that is if I can find it under the mounds of dust

 

[Snotnarok]

It's impressive how many people that seem to be missing the point and acting incredibly hostile towards the OP. The point is not that he used these features or not, it's asking if Sony is justified in striping out these features for the great holy quest of game developers to weakly try to stop piracy. This update for the people who actually used Linux now forces them to instead of using their console for entertainment spend an evening completely fixing up their PS3 so it can actually be usable.
Even if you don't agree with how the OP feels about what Sony is doing or the importance of it all there are much more graceful and civil ways to express that.

Thank you, finally someone sees that I'm JUST reporting what I found and that I'm disappointed. I truly don't care about linux, but it's something that I found and I wanted people to know. If it's not important or if you think Linux was stupid to have their in the first place then say so don't light me on fire because of it.

 

[shadow skill]

I'm curious as to what the point in taking the feature away was. Did it impose some sort of security risk to them?

It's how Geohot bypassed the hypervisor to get into the game OS. Basically it is more protecting their (not really endangered) bottom line rather than security for users, since the exploit has to be executed with the end user's knowledge or consent.

 

[misfit119]

Or maybe you could just stop being such a cry baby?

Or maybe you could stop being such a fangirl?

Seriously it's a valid point. When they changed the models they took away the card readers and the backwards compatability. Then the loss of 2 USB slots which actually is a pain in the rear if you're using them for anything. I've got a keyboard, charge cables and a few other things that I plug in, notably a card reader since they took that away. Losing the two slots was a pain in the rear.

They didn't put something in for free, it was part of the marketing on the console (look what ours can do that the others can't!) and it was a part of the purchased package. Imagine sending your 360 in for repair and them sending it back minus the two USB slots on the front. You'd think there was something wrong with them. And there is - Sony has a problem with keeping to its SKUs, flooding the market with variations and then hoping it increases sales. See the PSP for an example.

 

[shadow skill]

Or maybe you could just stop being such a cry baby?

Or maybe you could stop being such a fangirl?

Seriously it's a valid point. When they changed the models they took away the card readers and the backwards compatability. Then the loss of 2 USB slots which actually is a pain in the rear if you're using them for anything. I've got a keyboard, charge cables and a few other things that I plug in, notably a card reader since they took that away. Losing the two slots was a pain in the rear.

They didn't put something in for free, it was part of the marketing on the console (look what ours can do that the others can't!) and it was a part of the purchased package. Imagine sending your 360 in for repair and them sending it back minus the two USB slots on the front. You'd think there was something wrong with them. And there is - Sony has a problem with keeping to its SKUs, flooding the market with variations and then hoping it increases sales. See the PSP for an example.

When the stripped down the newer models at least customers got a cheaper product out of it, with this whole Linux thing there is zero benefit to the people (like me.) who have original model PS3s.

 

[Silva]

As a PS3 owner this really irritates me.

There was even a few false promises early on in the PS3's shelf time after they removed the backwards compatibility, that they'd put it back in. Despite having a "team" "working on it" all those years ago, the feature never returned.

Linux functionality will be gone forever, too. No surprises there. I'm glad it's not something that I'd directly use. Still, it irks me that they keep lowering the value of the object that I paid good money for.

The PS3 really has turned out to be a disappointment. What a waste of money it has been so far... I mean, really, some of the old ads begin to look like false advertising by now.

 

[Snotnarok]

Or maybe you could just stop being such a cry baby?

Or maybe you could stop being such a fangirl?

Seriously it's a valid point. When they changed the models they took away the card readers and the backwards compatability. Then the loss of 2 USB slots which actually is a pain in the rear if you're using them for anything. I've got a keyboard, charge cables and a few other things that I plug in, notably a card reader since they took that away. Losing the two slots was a pain in the rear.

They didn't put something in for free, it was part of the marketing on the console (look what ours can do that the others can't!) and it was a part of the purchased package. Imagine sending your 360 in for repair and them sending it back minus the two USB slots on the front. You'd think there was something wrong with them. And there is - Sony has a problem with keeping to its SKUs, flooding the market with variations and then hoping it increases sales. See the PSP for an example.

When the stripped down the newer models at least customers got a cheaper product out of it, with this whole Linux thing there is zero benefit to the people (like me.) who have original model PS3s.

While cheaper is good (600 dollars was an insane asking price) they should at least offer the option of the original 60GB model with backwards compatibility and such. Obviously charge more for it because it's just icing on the cake, but it's just something they SHOULD give the option for. I mean how many people would buy that option? A lot I figure since the PS2 has a lot of incredible games.

 

[Silva]

incessant whining

So basically you want the company AND the consumer to pay out the ass for features that the vast majority will never even look at just because there's a remote possibility that someone out there might use it one day?
What kind of fantasy world do you live in where everyone is rich upper class kids that have mommy and daddy buy their expensive toys for them all the time?

No one's paying any more or less for Linux functionality, as it was a feature that was in the original PS3 model. Do you really think that Sony would lower the price of the console after removing the feature? How naive.

 

[shadow skill]

The point here is that they aren't making new units that don't have new functionality, they are reducing the functionality for already existing units. You don't see car manufacturers trying to ban the tools necessary to disassemble a vehicle because some people into modding cars drag race. You don't see Microsoft removing nic card support from their OS because some people do bad things with the internet. Yet we see Sony removing functionality (Linux support.)from already purchased systems because some people might do bad things with it.

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

SNIP

Trust me, it was only the original 60's that had all the mentioned features. I think you are getting a lot of flak for creating this thread that you really don't deserve. Sorry that I nit picked with the "thousand" remark.

On the flip side of the removal of features it has had a hell of a lot of things added especially in the last 6 months or so. Store has become better, it now has iPlayer...

hmmm lots of things... erm can't think of anything else

 

[Silva]

He, nor I in this specific post, was not talking about linux exclusively. Rather EVERY removed feature. Because a hurr hur hurrr DEY REMOVED IT AND WE DESERVE IT.

Some of us are power users, and we like having all possible features. Some of us also have principles, and believe that advertising a product as better than it will be, then removing six features over the course of three years, is contrary to good company ethics. I happen to fall into both of those sections, and I'm not the only one.

There's no reason not to have a variation of the PS3 on the market that costs slightly more but has all six of these features. The old 80GB at least should never have been removed from the shelves. There was simply no reason to do it.

 

[Snotnarok]

incessant whining

So basically you want the company AND the consumer to pay out the ass for features that the vast majority will never even look at just because there's a remote possibility that someone out there might use it one day?
What kind of fantasy world do you live in where everyone is rich upper class kids that have mommy and daddy buy their expensive toys for them all the time?

What is it with you people and being unbelievably rude to me? I know how unreasonable that I a consumer ask for sony to make an option for the many people who enjoyed the backwards compatibility function they used in the PS3 originally. Having two models is unreasonable I know like the PSP3001, PSPGo and the upcoming PSP handheld. How absurd the thought.

Do me a favor, next time you want to insult me, think about being more creative like calling me a doodie head.

And where did this mommy buying my consoles come up? Are you insulting kids now that can't get a job to buy their consoles? I bought all 21 of mine, so if you're going to call me out, at least have your facts straight friend

 

[Snotnarok]

SNIP

Trust me, it was only the original 60's that had all the mentioned features. I think you are getting a lot of flak for creating this thread that you really don't deserve. Sorry that I nit picked with the "thousand" remark.

On the flip side of the removal of features it has had a hell of a lot of things added especially in the last 6 months or so. Store has become better, it now has iPlayer...

hmmm lots of things... erm can't think of anything else

Yeah this is the first time I've gotten flack for making a DISCUSSION. Honestly you'd think I made a topic on why the PS3 is crap.

I love the PS3s games and all that but I'd like to see some of the options featured maybe in a perhaps optional model that you pay more for. Because they're options that I think many users want, well the backwards compatibility anyway.

Either way, if anyone else wants to call me spoiled for wanting more features on a console be sure to sure to check how much I care about your opinion, just about as much as you care about mine sums it up apparently.

Edit: I just wanted to make sure and refresh the page to check if I was still on the escpaist, the friendly community I joined and loved, not GameFAQs where people attack each other because seriously I'm getting a lot of flack for a discussion on the escapist. GROW UP PEOPLE ITS ALL OPINIONS AND WE ALL HAVE ONE, NO ONE IS RIGHT AND WRONG, that's why they call it a discussion.

 

[shadow skill]

He, nor I in this specific post, was not talking about linux exclusively. Rather EVERY removed feature. Because a hurr hur hurrr DEY REMOVED IT AND WE DESERVE IT.

Some of us are power users, and we like having all possible features. Some of us also have principles, and believe that advertising a product as better than it will be, then removing six features over the course of three years, is contrary to good company ethics. I happen to fall into both of those sections, and I'm not the only one.

There's no reason not to have a variation of the PS3 on the market that costs slightly more but has all six of these features. The old 80GB at least should never have been removed from the shelves. There was simply no reason to do it.

There is. It's called money. When they were producing the old PS3s they were losing money even at the costs they were selling them at. That's why they cut things like the backwards compatibility and continued to cut things. They wanted to make some fucking profit. You get what they advertise and what you pay for. The slim for example doesn't tell you that it plays ps2 games, it tells you exactly what it does. There is no deceptive marketing or anything going on. You're being an over entitled brat.

None of that has anything to do with the overall topic or the subject of offering two models one with more (or slightly different) functionality than the other. I can't remember the last time I encountered any electronics that lost overall functionality over time without the older models not being sold along side the less functional ones. Nor do I remember electronic devices being retroactively downgraded because of exploits that could not be remotely executed.

incessant whining

So basically you want the company AND the consumer to pay out the ass for features that the vast majority will never even look at just because there's a remote possibility that someone out there might use it one day?
What kind of fantasy world do you live in where everyone is rich upper class kids that have mommy and daddy buy their expensive toys for them all the time?

What is it with you people and being unbelievably rude to me? I know how unreasonable that I a consumer ask for sony to make an option for the many people who enjoyed the backwards compatibility function they used in the PS3 originally. Having two models is unreasonable I know like the PSP3001, PSPGo and the upcoming PSP handheld. How absurd the thought.

Do me a favor, next time you want to insult me, think about being more creative like calling me a doodie head.

And where did this mommy buying my consoles come up? Are you insulting kids now that can't get a job to buy their consoles? I bought all 21 of mine, so if you're going to call me out, at least have your facts straight friend

Oh lawdy, people are being wude to you. You're being a little childish brat but still expect everyone to get on their knees and kiss your feet. Really, what kind of fucking world do you live in? If you want people to be polite to you, be polite yourself first. Nothing you post deserves respect, it's just whining about how you deserve more for no reason. You want a company to make something that would cause them to lose money and cost an insane amount to purchase, the very same thing that very few people originally bought because it was an expensive thing.
As for where mommy buying consoles came up, stop assuming everything is a personal attack on you. You really have a massive persecution complex where you assume everyone is out to get you. It came up because it is absolutely Ab-fucking-surd to expect the average consumer, anyone who isn't rich or insane or perhaps a spoiled brat who has spineless parents, to be able to afford what you want because of how fucking expensive they are and would have to be to prevent sony from losing money on them.

How does this logic explain the PSPgo? A version of the PSP that is too expensive and not really as good as the earlier models? People were saying it was going to bomb when the price was announced and what do you know that is exactly what it is doing. If people don't want to buy something they simply won't do it. Saying that they should offer a model that has everything isn't expecting the consumer to do anything at all.

I say similar things about the 360 mainly because the arcade is a "fake" choice. Not only that most of the units being bought are the ones that come with the HDD unit.

 

[OptimalPrime]

the .01% that actually use linux will be hurt but come on, who gives a hoot?