PlayStation 3 Hackers Warn Against Illegitimate Clones

[i dont care]

the person who brought up bleem! got it's usage information wrong it didn't allow dreamcast games to be played on playstation and had nothing at all to do with xbox it was a playstation emulator for p.c. and later a version was made for dreamcast called bleemcast! however the dreamcast version only worked for very few games as the testing required to get it to work was way too costly for the small company to afford so only three playstation games were ever emulated to dreamcast each requiring a seperate disc to be bought one for tekken 3 one for metal gear solid and the only one i own and have a legal psone copy of gran turismo 2 these discs do not allow pirated copies of playstation games to be played because the programming for the emulator used a similar piracy check as the playstation system did i know this because i have tried to use a copied version of gran turismo 2 and have only had success playing my official copy so as far as bleem goes here is a more informed summary of it's history bleem is dead no one wanted to pay extra money just to be able to play one game that you had to disc swap to play and the p.c. market had free alternatives

also the hackers calling out other hackers for hacking is friggin stupid they are all equally jackasses

 

[twaddle]

i actually want one for the legitimate reasons. you see in my past asshole would constantly steal my systems and games. I want insurance that if my game is damaged or stolen i have a back up of the game and the back up is legitimate as long as i have the receipt and the barcode and the original activation codes for said game. I'm going to college in the US now and I know prats will try to steal my wares, especially anything to do with Xbox 360 with the failure rates(note: i know xbox fails are not as often as they used to and i enjoy the console but u have to admit they fail pretty often.....how did i get on xbox on a ps3 article?)

 

[Miumaru]

I hope this goes full circle where the company themselves pirate the pirates. Dunno how, but it would be funny.

 

[antipunt]

OK wat. I'm so confused. What is this madness?

 

[-Samurai-]

It's major purpose is legal. Just because you think everyone who owns a device such as this is a pirate, that's your problem. Consumers should always be protected from illegitimate stuff. Your computer could be used to emulate or download roms, should you be sold a knock off PC?

I only quoted this because it's true.

I'm waiting to see the legal options with this device. I don't care for pirated PS3 games or whatever. The only illegal use I could see myself using it for would be old Nintendo or Sega roms(which isn't near as bad as pirating a PS3 game), and that's only if it's even possible.

 

[goldenheart323]

i actually want one for the legitimate reasons. you see in my past asshole would constantly steal my systems and games. I want insurance that if my game is damaged or stolen i have a back up of the game and the back up is legitimate as long as i have the receipt and the barcode and the original activation codes for said game. I'm going to college in the US now and I know prats will try to steal my wares, especially anything to do with Xbox 360 with the failure rates(note: i know xbox fails are not as often as they used to and i enjoy the console but u have to admit they fail pretty often.....how did i get on xbox on a ps3 article?)

Sorry dude, but the consensus of the Escapist forum is that EVERYONE who wants this is a pirate. Save your puny excuses to use a product in a legal manner. And before someone else says they want to back up their discs because their dog chews things up, remember that super protection that's standard on all BD discs. From what I hear, it's diamond plating that renders the disc immortal. Don't you all know it's foolhardy to disagree with "the consensus"? Just accept it twaddle: YOU ARE A PIRATE!


I keed. I keed.

 

[razer17]

This is a bit like telling people to make sure their bootleg DVDs come from authorized bootleg DVD retailers. Let's be honest, the USB "jailbreaking" device is going to be used in ways it shouldn't be, so it's almost silly to try to protect consumers from illegitimate versions of it when the original is pretty illegitimate itself. It's pretty ballsy though, and perhaps someone, somewhere, someday will use it for a purpose that might have some semblance of legality.

It's major purpose is legal. Just because you think everyone who owns a device such as this is a pirate, that's your problem. Consumers should always be protected from illegitimate stuff. Your computer could be used to emulate or download roms, should you be sold a knock off PC?

Isn't its major purpose illegal? It's major purpose is to crack PS3s, so people can use copied discs ergo, someone buying this is using to play pirated games. The whole idea of the device is pirating, how is anyone buying this not a pirate?

Did you not see the bit where I said it's major purpose IS LEGAL?

The main purpose is to create back ups. This has never, and will never, be illegal. Since you can't write blu-rays, you have to buy the game that you want to back up.

Some people actually use flashcarts and hacked consoles for stuff other than piracy, so take your misconceptions and get the fudge out.

 

[dmase]

You handled that article perfectly.

 

[DTWolfwood]

Ah i do love watch product branding at work! even when its as Ironic as this XD

 

[elvor0]

This is a bit like telling people to make sure their bootleg DVDs come from authorized bootleg DVD retailers. Let's be honest, the USB "jailbreaking" device is going to be used in ways it shouldn't be, so it's almost silly to try to protect consumers from illegitimate versions of it when the original is pretty illegitimate itself. It's pretty ballsy though, and perhaps someone, somewhere, someday will use it for a purpose that might have some semblance of legality.

It's major purpose is legal. Just because you think everyone who owns a device such as this is a pirate, that's your problem. Consumers should always be protected from illegitimate stuff. Your computer could be used to emulate or download roms, should you be sold a knock off PC?

Isn't its major purpose illegal? It's major purpose is to crack PS3s, so people can use copied discs ergo, someone buying this is using to play pirated games. The whole idea of the device is pirating, how is anyone buying this not a pirate?

Did you not see the bit where I said it's major purpose IS LEGAL?

The main purpose is to create back ups. This has never, and will never, be illegal. Since you can't write blu-rays, you have to buy the game that you want to back up.

Some people actually use flashcarts and hacked consoles for stuff other than piracy, so take your misconceptions and get the fudge out.

Yes SOME people use flashcarts and hackconsoles for stuff other than piracy, but that doesn't negate the fact that MOST people do, i'm not saying everyone is a pirate, but it's a pretty obvious preconception that makes sense that it is quite likely someone hacking a console or buying a flashcart is going to pirate it, is it not? Christ on a bike stop being so arsey and defensive with your skewed self righteousness, it's not like im being bigotted about some culture that I have no idea about, the fact is that the main use people use said devices for piracy, regardless of what it's intended function is, you and me both know that.

Okay the function of the device is to make backups, which yes is legal, but that doesn't mean it is mostly going to be used as such, it's going to be used to copy OTHER peoples games, and made to use downloads, if they've hacked it, i can't imagine downloaded "ROMS" of ps3 being used on it is a million miles away.

 

[Loonerinoes]

While I'm usually a bit more open to piracy, saying something like "Don't buy it from other sources because it doesn't come with a warranty and customer support" is pretty much something that makes you the kind of pirate I'd genuinely like to see behind bars.

Cracking things merely for the challenge and to freely distribute is one thing, cracking them so as to make a clear profit off of pirated works though is quite something else. And a cry like this really does shove it firmly into the latter category.

 

[GideonB]

If they are trying to warn us buying one of these things from someone else will brick our PS3's, we have been warned.
I'd rather just buy the games I want thanks.
Maybe if the laser on the PS3 starts the screw up I'd get one for keeping my PS3 alive, but it hasn't.

 

[Danpascooch]

I don't think this is so much about them saying "hey! that's a cheap knockoff, buy it from us because it was our idea!"

I think it's more of a "People are selling ones that look like our's that don't work! Don't waste your money!"

 

[midpipps]

Why does everyone associate digital lock circumvention with piracy? I would buy this specifically so I could continue using my ps3 until after everyone else has had a chance to try out the new "patch".
Beyond that, so long as there is a chance for it to be used for "legitimate" purposes, it cannot be criminalized. That would be unethical.

On a side note about DRM circumvention, there's a claim that consumers are purchasing a "license" and not a product, and that this is so because it says this in the EULA, both on the software and in the manual.
This is also funny, because it is illegal to hold someone to a contract without prior agreement from both parties. Since the EULA is read AFTER the purchase, the consumer is then free to lie to his/her property.

First part you can already do the ps3 does not automatically update so you can wait and let others test the waters as long as you want. You will just not be able to play online until updating.

As for the second part it is actually a binding contract and if you would happen to find something in the EULA that you disagree with you are open to return the product to the company for a refund of your full purchase price. Which is stated in most EULA's for systems and games. The companies have already agreed to the EULA by writing it and signing it. Read through pretty much EULA there is pretty much always instructions for returning the product if you do not agree with said EULA. Also if you would like to know what the EULA states before buying the product most games and systems have them posted on their sites.

 

[oranger]

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As for the second part it is actually a binding contract and if you would happen to find something in the EULA that you disagree with you are open to return the product to the company for a refund of your full purchase price. Which is stated in most EULA's for systems and games. The companies have already agreed to the EULA by writing it and signing it. Read through pretty much EULA there is pretty much always instructions for returning the product if you do not agree with said EULA. Also if you would like to know what the EULA states before buying the product most games and systems have them posted on their sites.

You only read part of my blurb. I can tell. It doesn't matter if the company has agreed to the EULA, you the consumer have not, or even you have, it only attempts to bind post sale, at which point it is ineffective due to that quirk of the law requiring contracts to be fair.
As for the website thing, no one is legally required to seek out information about a product they are about to purchase.
So no, the EULA is not binding on standalone products. Internet services, yes, because you must agree to it beforehand.
Otherwise, if a EULA attempts to bind you after a sale, you have every right to ignore it.

BTW a sale is when someone literally sells you something, with no agreements beyond cash for product.
A license is when you have temporary/limited use of something, usually a product, with the limitations set by the vendor.

edit: by "fair" I mean fairly entered into. Not balanced.

 

[sephiroth1991]

They stealing for pirates how dare they. They should walk the plank.

 

[Shadeovblack]

TLR = Resistance Is Futile

 

[twaddle]

i actually want one for the legitimate reasons. you see in my past asshole would constantly steal my systems and games. I want insurance that if my game is damaged or stolen i have a back up of the game and the back up is legitimate as long as i have the receipt and the barcode and the original activation codes for said game. I'm going to college in the US now and I know prats will try to steal my wares, especially anything to do with Xbox 360 with the failure rates(note: i know xbox fails are not as often as they used to and i enjoy the console but u have to admit they fail pretty often.....how did i get on xbox on a ps3 article?)

Sorry dude, but the consensus of the Escapist forum is that EVERYONE who wants this is a pirate. Save your puny excuses to use a product in a legal manner. And before someone else says they want to back up their discs because their dog chews things up, remember that super protection that's standard on all BD discs. From what I hear, it's diamond plating that renders the disc immortal. Don't you all know it's foolhardy to disagree with "the consensus"? Just accept it twaddle: YOU ARE A PIRATE!


I keed. I keed.

you have jokes my good sir because i was about to go off on you. But i do believe that john funk had an article a while back stating that using a pirated copy of a game, if you actually own it, was not really a bad thing. I believe he stated how often for some games pirated copies run better than the actual games. I believe the same can apply if you own the game and said game is stolen, how ever i do agree with you in one area. most people don't have good intentions for this hack. Also I think I will just try to use the warranty on my game b4 i use a copy. Though most warranties don't cover stolen property.

 

[midpipps]

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As for the second part it is actually a binding contract and if you would happen to find something in the EULA that you disagree with you are open to return the product to the company for a refund of your full purchase price. Which is stated in most EULA's for systems and games. The companies have already agreed to the EULA by writing it and signing it. Read through pretty much EULA there is pretty much always instructions for returning the product if you do not agree with said EULA. Also if you would like to know what the EULA states before buying the product most games and systems have them posted on their sites.

You only read part of my blurb. I can tell. It doesn't matter if the company has agreed to the EULA, you the consumer have not, or even you have, it only attempts to bind post sale, at which point it is ineffective due to that quirk of the law requiring contracts to be fair.
As for the website thing, no one is legally required to seek out information about a product they are about to purchase.
So no, the EULA is not binding on standalone products. Internet services, yes, because you must agree to it beforehand.
Otherwise, if a EULA attempts to bind you after a sale, you have every right to ignore it.

BTW a sale is when someone literally sells you something, with no agreements beyond cash for product.
A license is when you have temporary/limited use of something, usually a product, with the limitations set by the vendor.

edit: by "fair" I mean fairly entered into. Not balanced.

Actually I did read your blurb twice in fact to make sure I was covering all points. The sale is you buying the product you own the hardware the console. The operating system is what is being licensed in the EULA. Therefore it is still a legal contract that you are entering into.

It is the same thing as if you go out and buy a laptop from HP or Dell you own the hardware and you have to agree to Microsoft's EULA before being able to use the operating system. If you do not agree to the EULA then you can remove the operating system and do with the hardware as you please or return the whole unit.

Same thing with a playstation 3 if you would really like I am sure if it came to a point where you really could not agree to the EULA then sony would try and buy the system back from you before removing the firmware and OS but it is your system to do with as you please as long as you are not using said firmware/OS. But this is mostly speculation since I have not heard of anyone not agreeing to said EULA but wanting the system.

It is a being fairly entered into because the companies are giving you all the information up front and before you ever get into actually being able to use the software. You would not sign a contract to work for someone without reading it would you? But if you did, then contract is still a legal contract.

Also while I agree no one is required to seek out information on the EULA for the products they plan on buying. I am just saying the information is out there if you would like to be able to know what kind of EULA you will be required to agree to before actually going through the steps of buying the product.

Now I will still give you the fact that EULA's are kind of in an area that has not been tested to the full extent of the law so the precedence is not really set for how legally binding they are and there is alot of if/thens in these situations.

 

[oranger]

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You're not seeing my point here: just because there is a EULA doesn't mean it is binding.
The EULA is post-sale, on an object you own.
Once you own something, it is literally yours to do whatever with, even making it into a bong with a nice dell logo. This includes clicking the agree button and not reading the print, when you have no intention of agreeing to anything. Because the product is yours before the EULA ever pops up.
And yes indeed you do own the OS on a laptop, regardless of what the EULA says, because you purchased it with that particular pattern physically graved onto the hard-disk.
And there was no contract. I gave my money and got an item, no questions asked.
Where was my agreement to anything beyond that? when was I asked to agree to anything beyond a cash based exchange for ownership?
Last time I checked when something is sold to me, with the word "sale", I own it.
It's like some sort of analogue for the "analogue hole" digital devices encounter: at the point of sale, it is either a sale or a license, but without clarification, its a sale.