PlayStation 4 Online Sale Turns Deadly in San Francisco

AzrealMaximillion

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CarnageRacing00 said:
mechalynx said:
Either you missed the heaps of sarcasm and general dismay with the current gun laws in the US or I need to go to bed.

Like the porsters above me said, it seems like a robbery that just happened to involve a PS4. Don't tell me people haven't been brutalized over an iPhone. Hope the asshole will get caught and put away for a very long time, preferably in a hard labour camp.
No I completely understood what you were saying, and it annoyed me. California has strict gun laws, yet this still happened. That kind of completely destroys your argument.
Strict gun laws compared to other states maybe. Compared to up here in Canada, its still a joke. You also have to remember than California is a hot spot for illegal guns from Mexico to be purchased.


OP: Yeah this is horrible. You shouldn't need to fear for your life while trying to sell something through online sources. I hope they catch the guy and give him life in jail.
 

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Yeah, I used the wrong word there. It's wanting more than you need, not have. My bad on this one.
Yeah, I kinda thought you meant that but I'm still not quite satisfied with that. "Greed" is a pretty grave term not meant to be used as lightly as you do. Just as in the definition I have found on the internet and posted in my previous comment, there is always something "excessive" to it. And you will find this aspect in mostly any definition I'd wager.
Otherwise whenever you wished for something at christmas you didn't need for your survival you've been greedy. You want an extra pair of socks? What for, you already have one. Don't be such a greedy little bastard :p
I could make other examples that aren't so extreme or even more extreme. That's simply not how the term "greed" is generally used and understood. You basically say that wanting more than you neeed for your survival is immoral. A buddhist monk might say it is. Well, not directly immoral but something like: "It stands in your way to enlightenment!"

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AzrealMaximillion said:
OP: Yeah this is horrible. You shouldn't need to fear for your life while trying to sell something through online sources. I hope they catch the guy and give him life in jail.
Not to mention he didn't have to shoot him to get away with what he wanted. Threatening him with a gun would probably have sufficed or shooting him in the leg if he wanted to prevent that he is being followed :0

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hazydawn said:
KarmaTheAlligator said:
Yeah, I used the wrong word there. It's wanting more than you need, not have. My bad on this one.
Yeah, I kinda thought you meant that but I'm still not quite satisfied with that. "Greed" is a pretty grave term not meant to be used as lightly as you do. Just as in the definition I have found on the internet and posted in my previous comment, there is always something "excessive" to it. And you will find this aspect in mostly any definition I'd wager.
Otherwise whenever you wished for something at christmas you didn't need for your survival you've been greedy. You want an extra pair of socks? What for, you already have one. Don't be such a greedy little bastard :p
I could make other examples that aren't so extreme. That's simply not how the term "greed" is generally used and understood. You basically say that wanting more than you need for your survival is immoral. A buddhist monk might say it is. Well, not directly immoral but something like: "It stands in your way to enlightenment!"

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To be honest, your example with Christmas is a bad one, considering what happens most of the time around then (the commercialism of the event alone is bad enough in my view, but then you get people asking for a lot). But at the same time, I'm not saying greed is always the deadly sin a certain very widespread religion would have you believe (and if you happen to be part of said religion, my apologies). It's like everything in life, needed in small amounts, and only bad when it goes beyond a certain point. It's just that for most people today the term carries such a grave meaning, as you said, that it's seen in a bad light, when it shouldn't (I mean, one of the synonyms for greed, avarice, is defined as extreme greed, so there obviously are different degrees). The whole 'make a profit' thing that we live with is a form of greed, and yet no-one bats an eyelash to it because everyone does it.
 

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Craig's List strikes again. Interesting that they appeared to have done everything right. Bring a friend, exchange in public, etc. Maybe the area wasn't public enough?
 

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Killing people for 400 bucks.. And i can't even make fun of the country since i heard on local news that a few guys killed an elderly man for what amounts to 80$.
 

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I don't know what to say. The kid got greedy i guess. I mean buying something and trying to resell it for a profit is kind of cheating the system. Not that it warranted death. But it seems to be a case of greed before need .
Ironic coming from a guy typing on a computer, you don't need a computer, you're just being greedy by owning one, but no one would bring it up if you were killed.
Wow, is this argument dumb. In this day and age where not owning a computer puts you at economic, social and legal disadvantages, you are claiming that having a computer is an obscene perk? I guess owning a car so that you can get to work in a world where residential and commercial centers are several miles apart is being greedy too, and don't get me started on cooking food to kill bacteria and parasites. Fucking elitists and their non-infested organs.

When I read the title, I assumed it was another case of someone getting murdered for a console like last generations 360 mugging. Having read it, what sympathy I had has vanished. Sure, he is free to buy a console, denying someone that would have bought it to actually play it, just to sell it. Of course, this also means that he opened himself up to the possibility of horrible murder that back alley dealings are often prone to. So, yes, the killer should be caught but no, I don't feel anything for him because he did this to himself. The risk for reward.
 

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He really should have just sold the console on Ebay or maybe not buy a console just to turn a profit, it really isn't worth the effort and risk in my opinion. Obviously the fault lies 100% with the disgusting piece of trash murderer but the seller certainly could have done more to protect his interests, namely, his life. Craigslist is usually a horrible way to buy or sell, unless you can get real, solid information on the other person. He should have done the exchange inside of a shopping mall food court or something, you really can't kill someone there unless you are completely unhinged and have no fear of going to jail, refusing to do the exchange in such a place is a giant red flag that you are going to be harmed. Just another example of a society that has become much too fueled by frivolous wants.
 

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God praise America, the country where a Hispanic boy singing the national anthem and was booed off of the stage for being Hispanic... that is, the national anthem of a country that was founded by the Spanish, Italian, German, British, and a whole other plethora of greedy fucks.

This is absoloutely disgusting. I hate no faith in this species.
 

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snekadid said:
NiPah said:
krazykidd said:
I don't know what to say. The kid got greedy i guess. I mean buying something and trying to resell it for a profit is kind of cheating the system. Not that it warranted death. But it seems to be a case of greed before need .
Ironic coming from a guy typing on a computer, you don't need a computer, you're just being greedy by owning one, but no one would bring it up if you were killed.
Wow, is this argument dumb. In this day and age where not owning a computer puts you at economic, social and legal disadvantages, you are claiming that having a computer is an obscene perk? I guess owning a car so that you can get to work in a world where residential and commercial centers are several miles apart is being greedy too, and don't get me started on cooking food to kill bacteria and parasites. Fucking elitists and their non-infested organs.

When I read the title, I assumed it was another case of someone getting murdered for a console like last generations 360 mugging. Having read it, what sympathy I had has vanished. Sure, he is free to buy a console, denying someone that would have bought it to actually play it, just to sell it. Of course, this also means that he opened himself up to the possibility of horrible murder that back alley dealings are often prone to. So, yes, the killer should be caught but no, I don't feel anything for him because he did this to himself. The risk for reward.
You're right, I put owning a computer, owning a car, and reselling a fucking console at the same level of greed.
What level of greed is that? nearly fucking non existent, leading to the question why the fuck would you bring up greed when your discussing the victim of a murder.

Now if you want to make the argument that he did something stupid, thats completely fine, but blaming the victim due to his greed as the person I originally quoted did is not going to fly.
 

DTWolfwood

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Always mail what you sell. Its disheartening to know people can't be trusted in this god forsaken country.

Although to be fair, we only ever hear the bad, and therefore perpetuate this kind of behavior. Why not just tell stories of human beings be good? instead of constantly focusing on us being diabolical.
 

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I bought my second modem, 9600 baud, at a rock bottom price $100 cash, back in the day, from a guy selling them over BBS services who lived in a scummy apartment in a seedy part of Hollywood. The transaction went well--he wouldn't let me test it there but said to bring it back if it didn't work. So eagerly I took the bus back in my dorm room, where it fired right up and worked like a champ for several years. Everybody figured it was probably stolen, at that price. But 9600 baud was 9600 baud, and I wanted it.

Lucky me, I guess. This story reminded me of that. Back then, I wouldn't have known the Bayview from Russian Hill.

Come to think of it, I still have some of the porn I downloaded with that modem...
 

Therumancer

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As I said in another post on the subject, this is a terrible thing, but I honestly think we need to be looking towards Sony as being equally responsible in this case.

Sony seems to like to under produce it's new generation consoles during busy shopping seasons, knowing the demand for them cannot be met, in order to generate hype and cause incidents. The idea being that with everyone looking for them, talking about them, and going to extreme lengths to get them, especially since they will be on almost every child's gift list, they will convince people that there must be something going on here and increase interest and demand even further for when Sony finally decides to move enough units to meet the demand. I've been through this pretty much twice now with the PS-2 and the PS-3, both times there was a shortage, and both times we had a lot of crazy incidents including fights, stabbings, scams, and everything else involving them.

At the end of the day here understand that the victim was an opportunist who was doubtlessly selling his PS-4 for well above market value. Like most under the table dealings that go horribly wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if the shooting happened after a disagreement about money when the seller decided to raise the price. At the end of the day this would never have occurred if the situation for this kind of dealing, and the demand causing it, wasn't created by Sony's hype machine.

To be honest Sony has in the past made plenty of excuses about misunderstanding the numbers needed, or a shortage of parts, or whatever else, but at this point there is no real excuse for what's happening, not that many people were actually buying Sony's previous song and dance routines as well.

Don't get me wrong, Sony has a good product, but at the end of the day we're dealing with something tantamount to inciting a riot. Maybe Sony isn't actually shooting someone, but it's pretty much priming the powder, setting the fuse up, and then giving out free matches. As far as I'm concerned it's very much responsible, and the CEO and/or board of directors should be held responsible for it, especially seeing as I expect the shortages to cause even more incidents, I was hearing today that Sony has pretty much said there won't be any more units on the US marketplace before Christmas, which means the units out there will increase in value, and a lot of people will increase in desperation.

Now, some people might be thinking "but it's just an expensive toy!" the thing to understand is that doing this during the holiday season is especially insidious due to the desire for parents to make their kids ecstatically happy this one time a year. What's more being "only an expensive toy" actually fuels the problem because anger builds at not being able to provide something so simple. All of which leads into the hype Sony is trying to farm.

Generally speaking, Sony should not have been allowed to release the PS-4 in the US until it had the supply to meet the demand given the time of year and the previous track record. It happened though, and as I said, the guys who set up this incident, and will share responsibility with any others that occur, should be held responsible.

Apologies for the repetitive rambling, this is just my opinion. It's never going to happen, but I'd actually cheer if the US didn't even bother with proper extradition treaties and pretty much just had some of the SEALS we occupy Japan with round up the CEO of Sony and his board of directors, cuff them, hood them, and fly them down to the USA to face trial... I mean honestly, to me this is the third time this fiasco has played out, I'm sick of it. Honestly though I kind of expect we'll be looking at the same thing in another few years if consoles endure, a Sony shortage during a time of high demand, with a few stand out examples of violence alongside a whole lot of re-selling, and price gouging.
 

Therumancer

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Adam Jensen said:
Killing people for material possessions that are not even that luxurious? I could at least understand hurting someone for a million dollars, but a fuckin' console? Rot in a dungeon you evil scum.
Well, it's a matter of timing as I pointed out in my last post. Sony seems to have timed their shortage well again, so it works with the holiday pressures to generate hype, and incidents that help expand on that hype. By shorting the market around Christmas, knowing they have a produce on every kid's list, they create a sense of desperation among parents who at this one time of year beyond all others they want to make their kids happy. At this time of year the relative simplicity of it, an expensive toy, makes it even more maddening when they can't get it. The complaints ultimately get people to think "wow people want these bad, there must be something to it" which means that more people will probably buy the item when Sony finally decides to release enough of them.

The guy doing the selling was within his rights, but was likely kind of a scumbag. He was probably selling the console well above retail, and I'd imagine like most under the table deals gone bad, in the end he got himself shot by demanding more money than was agreed on before the meeting. I could easily see really psyched father shooting someone in the heat of the moment if he told his kid he managed to get him a PS-4 for Christmas, only to have the person about to sell it double the price so he could not afford it. This doesn't make the shooting right, simply that I can sort of see how this could happen (not that I even remotely know the actual details of this case, since they were not revealed).

Any way it goes, as I pointed out in my previous post, I think Sony deserves blame here, especially seeing as this makes the third time we've done this dance over one of their consoles, and I'm not buying there is any kind of mistake this time. Sony pretty much created a hype pressure cooker, and it just blew, like it has done before, this time I think Sony's leadership needs to be held responsible. Sony's leadership should be considered responsible for inciting this shooting, and any other incidents that might occur before a proper release.


This is purely my opinion though.