Plot holes in "Avatar"
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"Unobtainium" was not a name made up for this movie; it's long been a term used for a wonder-substance that meets all scientific needs, with the only stipulation being the fact that it doesn't exist.Nigh Invulnerable said:
Yes, I too am familiar with [link]tvtropes.org[/link]. I was just saying it was utterly stupid to leave that as the name for the substance. The writer/creator can have it do anything they want, but at least call it something better.HollywoodH17 said:
I dunno. We may have to agree to disagree here; I don't see any point in calling it THE ZORGLAXX CRYSTALS when the name of the crystal is an unimportant part of the movie. If you cal it something flashy, you have to explain why it's called that, and that's a pain. If you go with a trope some people are familiar with - or can look up later - problem solved. You don't need an extra two minutes of pointless exposition about a plot point that's irrelevant.Nigh Invulnerable said:
The biggest plot hole I saw in the movie was the ending..
So they just ship the corporate bad guys off? And assumably, those greedy corporate types will go "oh, well that didnt turn out so well, lets just leave it. We've lost tons of money and scores of human lives in this endeavor. We know when we are beaten, time to give up!"
When the more likely outcome is "we underestimated the resiliency of these natives and used an inadequate amount of force. Lets send three times the number of troops with actual WARFARE technology, not just the bargain bin weaponry, and a competent commander to lead them."
In essence, they could just send the bulk of their military forces BACK to pandora to take that unobtainium with extreme prejudice. Honestly, the Navi won this single BATTLE by and large with LUCK.. the humans simply did not expect the amount of resistance and underestimated their enemy. Next time, the planet of Pandora won't have the luxury of the element of surprise, will return with overwhelming numbers and advanced weaponry, and simply decimate the native populations..
Pretty much what happened to the American Natives in the end... since this movie wanted to make a parallel to imperial/colonial history, it should at least complete the lesson and show that in the end the entire planet of Pandora was brought to heel and left as a pile of ash and ruin.
So they just ship the corporate bad guys off? And assumably, those greedy corporate types will go "oh, well that didnt turn out so well, lets just leave it. We've lost tons of money and scores of human lives in this endeavor. We know when we are beaten, time to give up!"
When the more likely outcome is "we underestimated the resiliency of these natives and used an inadequate amount of force. Lets send three times the number of troops with actual WARFARE technology, not just the bargain bin weaponry, and a competent commander to lead them."
In essence, they could just send the bulk of their military forces BACK to pandora to take that unobtainium with extreme prejudice. Honestly, the Navi won this single BATTLE by and large with LUCK.. the humans simply did not expect the amount of resistance and underestimated their enemy. Next time, the planet of Pandora won't have the luxury of the element of surprise, will return with overwhelming numbers and advanced weaponry, and simply decimate the native populations..
Pretty much what happened to the American Natives in the end... since this movie wanted to make a parallel to imperial/colonial history, it should at least complete the lesson and show that in the end the entire planet of Pandora was brought to heel and left as a pile of ash and ruin.
That's the biggest problem with trying to make this movie into a metaphore for the US occupation. We'd have a PR nightmare if we just decided to drop nukes and eliminate any threat by extinguishing life. These guys wouldn't. Really, I don't think anybody outside of the planet would care if they started launching rockets at all the life sources.
Sequel? It would be about 10 minutes long.. it would open with the massive fleet of the corporation military above the planet, followed by two minutes of orbital bombardment, followed by thousands of troops descending down upon the planet and ending with Jake and Neytiri being shot unceremoniously in the heads, execution style.House_Vet said:
Then the corporation would start mining Unobtainium and it would show Giovanni Ribisi zoomed in on the screen going.. "Maybe we should change it's name to "AbsolutelyObtainium".
Roll credits.
This. I mean really, did Jake, a former Marine, would think that one lost battle will stop humans from coming back?HyenaThePirate said:
Also, did they ever really explain what was so important about Unobtainium? I didn't really get why, and in a three hour long movie with nothing going on really, they could have taken a minute or two to explain why.
I figured that the animals were linked to the network too; after all, "ports" are a standard feature on all the local fauna, so it seems likely that whatever the common ancestor of all Pandoran animal life is was part of the network.MasterKirov said:
But here's some of my (minor) gripes:
1) How did the network evolve in the first place? I know it's explained as communication between the trees, but plants don't really gain any benefit from being able to communicate, and not much of an immediate benefit from allowing animals to communicate.
2) Again regarding the network: why did they need to waste time going out in person to rally the tribes instead of sending a message through the global mind?
3) How did the Na'vi come up with a ritual for downloading one person's mind into a comatose but otherwise healthy body? It's not exactly the kind of thing that comes up often, and really not the sort of thing the priestess was likely to have actually practiced before.
4) Some comparative biology issues: a) how can human brains (which, for those of you who've forgotten, cannot interface directly with any other mind) even handle the aforementioned download process; and b) isn't the tribe doomed, now that the semi-hereditary leaders are probably an infertile couple (since one of them is a Na'vi/human hybrid)?
5) Col. Badass' Last Stand. It was stated that breathing the air for more than two minutes causes unconsciousness, but he was exerting himself for well over 120 seconds (yes, I was counting) with no signs of even being a bit groggy or short of breath. Instead, the only thing they could come up with was milking a bit of extra drama out of it.
Oh, one last thing: Evil Megacorps with private armies blasting the **** out of anyone who stands up to them, opposed by native spiritualists and under-the-radar scientists and ex-marines, an ability that lets people fall asleep and pilot a kind of "remote form", a wetware interface with a kind of "Matrix"... anyone else think someone may be a Shadowrun fan?
I agree then. While there would maybe be a need to explain a crystal, the movie using "unobtanium" never even explained why it was so valuable, so they failed just as badly as if they'd given it some random name. Really, all I want is a clear explanation of why the frickin' stuff was worth so much $$.HollywoodH17 said:
The biggest plot hole I found was that everyone apparently saw a god like movie, whilst what I saw was very average. Strange...
also how if their atmosphere isnt oxygen (im assuming its not oxygen cause human die in it) then how are there fires and explosions... not to get too technical but oxygen vital to fire...