Plot Holes [Possible Spoilers!]

[Nautical Honors Society]

I just wanted to make a thread where people could help each other understand plot holes, in movies, video games, etc.

For example, I don't understand fully why Shepard betrayed Task Force 141 in CoDMW2. I know it was to increase recruits and nationalism, but why did he kill British soldiers?

Can someone explain this to me?

Then please ask about any plot holes you've experienced that you'd like someone to explain to you.

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

Well to name a few:

Spoiler: Halo 2-3

Why did the Prophets betray the Elites? The Elites still served vary well when they were...'Replaced'...all it did was give the Covenant another enemy to fight.

Spoiler: Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith

Why didn't the summon all the Jedi to the temple first, instead of having the beacon put in place afterwords, leading to a galactic manhunt. Fewer would have gotten away

Spoiler: Gears of War 2

If they had all these soldiers to attack the horde with, why didn't they immediately light-mass bomb and then launch the assult. Why wait until there forces had been worn down to desperation?(Note, they actually mension this in game. Once in Landown, Dominique says "Wow hard to believe a place so close to Jancinto was occupied for so long. You would think they would have launched this assult years ago.", to which Marques simply says "Eh I'm shure the COG had their reasons." and they leave it at that.

 

[Pimppeter2]

Well to name a few:

Spoiler: Halo 2-3

Why did the Prophets betray the Elites? The Elites still served vary well when they were...'Replaced'...all it did was give the Covenant another enemy to fight.

Spoiler

when the Prophet of Regret was killed by Master Chief, the remaining Prophets used the excuse to replace even more Elite positions such as the Elite Guards, with Brutes. They held a tighter bond with the Brutes, and distrusted the Elites

 

[Cherry Cola]

Twilight saga. Just... the whole saga.

How could so many teenage girls overlook all this stuff?

 

[Cherry Cola]

Spoiler: Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith

Why didn't the summon all the Jedi to the temple first, instead of having the beacon put in place afterwords, leading to a galactic manhunt. Fewer would have gotten away

Because the prequels are retarded. There are a lot of plot holes in those, just ignore them.

My favorite is how Grievous is supposed to be a super-skilled jedi killer and yet he just shows Obi-Wan and Anakin how he stores his lighstabers in his POCKET!

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Spoiler: Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith

Why didn't the summon all the Jedi to the temple first, instead of having the beacon put in place afterwords, leading to a galactic manhunt. Fewer would have gotten away

Considering the only Jedi that survived were Obi-won and Yoda, I'd say their plan was pretty successful.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

Spoiler: Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith

Why didn't the summon all the Jedi to the temple first, instead of having the beacon put in place afterwords, leading to a galactic manhunt. Fewer would have gotten away

Considering the only Jedi that survived were Obi-won and Yoda, I'd say their plan was pretty successful.

To bad those two Jedi are the reason the Empire fell.


So I'd say it wasn't.

 

[Zacharine]

For example, I don't understand fully why Shepard betrayed Task Force 141 in CoDMW2. I know it was to increase recruits and nationalism, but why did he kill British soldiers?

Can someone explain this to me?

Spoiler

Shepard was behind the whole fiasco: he leaked the intel on the undercover operative in the mission 'No Russian' (airport shooting), he was the mastermind who laid the groundwork for the war and provided the opening spark. Task Force 141 was getting close to uncovering this, and in fact did (albeit around 5 minutes too late). Shepard could not allow the knowledge of his actions, along with the necessary proof, to reach the ears of any high-ranking officer: that would have screwed over his entire plan, as he would not have become the praised war-hero. The fastest and easiest way for Shepard that guaranteed the USA high-command would never hear of his duplicity was to kill off the members of Task Force 141 the way he did: go in, execute them, make up a story of coming in too late to save them, say a few nice words and everyone will say they are sorry you just lost such a good bunch of soldiers.

 

[Trivun]

Well to name a few:

Spoiler: Halo 2-3

Why did the Prophets betray the Elites? The Elites still served vary well when they were...'Replaced'...all it did was give the Covenant another enemy to fight.

Refer to Pimppeter2's post. Also, the Prophets ordered the deaths of various high ranking Sangheili (as mentioned in the books, plus the fact that Truth ordered Tartarus to kill the Arbiter), so really the San'Shyuum betrayed the Sangheili first. This led directly to the Great Schism that caused the downfall of the Covenant. Incidentally, although in the games the other races stayed with the Covenant, in actual fact a lot of members of each Covenant race (apart from the Jiralhanae, and I think, the Drones (Yanme'e)) also broke apart. Fewer, true, but still many, decided to stay with the Sangheili and fought alongside the Arbiter (and humans).

Spoiler: Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith

Why didn't the summon all the Jedi to the temple first, instead of having the beacon put in place afterwords, leading to a galactic manhunt. Fewer would have gotten away

I guess it was easier to do it straight away rather than waste time sending for everyone. Remember that even with the technology of the Republic, it would still have taken weeks, possibly months, of travel for the most remote Jedi to make it back to Coruscant, and the Emperor claimed that his disfigurement was down to Jedi betrayal. If he'd waited to reveal that until all the Jedi were back in the capital, then he wouldn't have been able to keep his actual scars hidden and so the lie would have been discovered, thus his purge wouldn't have been tolerated by the Senate. Given the timing along with his own lie, he had no choic but to give Order 66 when the Jedi were still quite remote and scattered.

Plus any attack on the Jedi when they were all in the Temple would be the most idiotic thing he could have done, as a united Jedi force would easily be able to defend the Temple long enough to expose Palpatine to the Senate and the Clone Troopers.

Spoiler: Gears of War 2

If they had all these soldiers to attack the horde with, why didn't they immediately light-mass bomb and then launch the assult. Why wait until there forces had been worn down to desperation?(Note, they actually mension this in game. Once in Landown, Dominique says "Wow hard to believe a place so close to Jancinto was occupied for so long. You would think they would have launched this assult years ago.", to which Marques simply says "Eh I'm shure the COG had their reasons." and they leave it at that.

This I can't explain. However, Gears of War is meant to be a trilogy so maybe it'll be explained in the next game. Or possibly an expansion novel.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Spoiler: Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith

Why didn't the summon all the Jedi to the temple first, instead of having the beacon put in place afterwords, leading to a galactic manhunt. Fewer would have gotten away

Considering the only Jedi that survived were Obi-won and Yoda, I'd say their plan was pretty successful.

To bad those two Jedi are the reason the Empire fell.


So I'd say it wasn't.

No, the Rebel Alliance as a group is the reason the Empire Fell.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

Spoiler: Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith

Why didn't the summon all the Jedi to the temple first, instead of having the beacon put in place afterwords, leading to a galactic manhunt. Fewer would have gotten away

Considering the only Jedi that survived were Obi-won and Yoda, I'd say their plan was pretty successful.

To bad those two Jedi are the reason the Empire fell.


So I'd say it wasn't.

No, the Rebel Alliance as a group is the reason the Empire Fell.

The Rebel Alliance would have failed without Luke Skywalker. If Luke hadn't found Han Solo, he wouldn't have helped the Alliance. Darth Vader and the Emperor would have lived, the Death Star wouldn't have been blown up. So they brought Luke Skywalker up.

YEAH, I THINK IT WAS THOSE 2.

 

[Zacharine]

Spoiler: Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith

Why didn't the summon all the Jedi to the temple first, instead of having the beacon put in place afterwords, leading to a galactic manhunt. Fewer would have gotten away

Simple really.

a) Plot holes in the original movies.

b)

Spoiler

Every Jedi who was not at the temple was with the armies. Order 66 ensured that those armies turned upon their Jedi generals, killing them off with far superior numbers

c) Recalling every Jedi to the temple would have resulted in the following: The Jedi united, at their homeground. The clone armies were needed elsewhere, for publicity stunt if nothing else, but more likely to stave off any possible idea of a rebellion. Declaring that the supreme chancellor is talking BS is a lot more difficult if a clone-trooper armada is just 2 hours away from your planet, instead of few weeks.

So no massive numbers of politically expendable troops available to take on what is the most efficient group of fighters in the galaxy, while they are united and at their home ground. The publicity backlash would have been more abhorrent as well: the fighting would not have been over in an hour or two like it was, but would have been protracted for severals hours or even days. During this time the Jedi would have most certainly used the temple communications equipment to transmit their counter-propaganda, as well as pictures of childs and padawans getting slaughtered by the imperial troops.

 

[Kuchinawa212]

Ok in Luminous Arc, which I'm sure only a handful of you guys played, what in the hell causes the party to befriend the witches and go fight what they've been apart of for so long. Just because the main character falls in love with a witch?

 

[GrandAm]

Spoiler: Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith

Why didn't the summon all the Jedi to the temple first, instead of having the beacon put in place afterwords, leading to a galactic manhunt. Fewer would have gotten away

The Jedi Counsel gave orders to the Jedi. Not the clones. It was after the initial order 66 attacks did they have access to the Jedi beacon. Prior to that they would have required a counsel member to order Jedi in to get them in one spot. If the clones asked the counsel to do it the counsel would have asked why. What would the clones say, "Even though we are at war right now, we want to throw the Jedi an appreciation day party." The clones could not offer a logistical reason to get them in one spot prior to order 66. The chancellor at that time did not have authoritive control over Jedi. Everything the Jedi did for him was by request, not an order. The Jedi sect is considered a sovereign body; like the Vatican in Italy.

In order to have access to the beacon to send the message, the clones had to kill the Jedi controlling it. That is why they could not get the Jedi in on spot for slaughter.

After order 66 the clones had control of the temple to ambush unwitting Jedi. At least til Obi and Yoda fought their way in and change the beacon.

Yes, I am a nerd/geek.

 

[IronDuke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU

Damn eagles too busy off cleaning their feathers for most of the story.

 

[GrandAm]

Spoiler: Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith

Why didn't the summon all the Jedi to the temple first, instead of having the beacon put in place afterwords, leading to a galactic manhunt. Fewer would have gotten away

Considering the only Jedi that survived were Obi-won and Yoda, I'd say their plan was pretty successful.

To bad those two Jedi are the reason the Empire fell.


So I'd say it wasn't.

No, the Rebel Alliance as a group is the reason the Empire Fell.

The Rebel Alliance would have failed without Luke Skywalker. If Luke hadn't found Han Solo, he wouldn't have helped the Alliance. Darth Vader and the Emperor would have lived, the Death Star wouldn't have been blown up. So they brought Luke Skywalker up.

YEAH, I THINK IT WAS THOSE 2.

As much as I like those lightside Force folks, I have to agree it was the Rebel Alliance that stopped the Empire.

Without the rebels Luke would not have the support to be as effective as he was.

Yoda was the super bomb master. Obi was the next best even when the Jedi had numbers. They spent 20 years hiding and waiting.

Sure in combat a Jedi (luke/Vader) was necessary to kill Palpatine. But Palpatine (as any leader, even in our RL world) can not hold power without power perceived by the masses. Generally by the movies, pretty much every body hated him. He did not even have full control (Hutts).

His whole power revolved around intimidation. His army was made by the same societies that didn't like him. A coup was inevitible. Using the Deathstar on every system that opposed him would eventually would leave him powerless. If he used it to destroy all those opposing him there would have been nobody left to rule over. Plus that action would create decsent in his ranks. How man Stormtroopers might have come from Alderan. Or the next system he would use it on.

Think about the collapse of the Roman Empire. They expanded by conscripting those they conquered. Eventually they were so dilluted from the original force that they broke off into their own forces (warlords) and Rome lost control.

Of course Ceaser didn't have knowledge of the Force. So maybe I am wrong.

 

[Tdc2182]

Twilight saga. Just... the whole saga.

How could so many teenage girls overlook all this stuff?

Not exactly a plot hole but an 18 year old falls in love with a three year old...so... yeah.

 

[Arcticflame]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU

Damn eagles too busy off cleaning their feathers for most of the story.

Wouldn't the eagles simply have been attacked by the wraithlords on their flying.. thingies?
Also, wouldn't the eagles also have been corrupted by the ring? I thought that hobbits were supposed to be espcially resistant to the ring. Yes they are corrupted by it over time, but the eagles would of been corrupted much, much quicker, delivering the ring straight to sauron.

 

[Tdc2182]

For example, I don't understand fully why Shepard betrayed Task Force 141 in CoDMW2. I know it was to increase recruits and nationalism, but why did he kill British soldiers?

Can someone explain this to me?

Spoiler

Shepard was behind the whole fiasco: he leaked the intel on the undercover operative in the mission 'No Russian' (airport shooting), he was the mastermind who laid the groundwork for the war and provided the opening spark. Task Force 141 was getting close to uncovering this, and in fact did (albeit around 5 minutes too late). Shepard could not allow the knowledge of his actions, along with the necessary proof, to reach the ears of any high-ranking officer: that would have screwed over his entire plan, as he would not have become the praised war-hero. The fastest and easiest way for Shepard that guaranteed the USA high-command would never hear of his duplicity was to kill off the members of Task Force 141 the way he did: go in, execute them, make up a story of coming in too late to save them, say a few nice words and everyone will say they are sorry you just lost such a good bunch of soldiers.

Thank you, I have been wondering that.

Spoiler

So your saying that shepard planned the No Russian mission and made sure that allen got killed to start the war?

 

[Soren91]

Spoiler: Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith

Why didn't the summon all the Jedi to the temple first, instead of having the beacon put in place afterwords, leading to a galactic manhunt. Fewer would have gotten away

Simple really.

a) Plot holes in the original movies.

b)

Spoiler

Every Jedi who was not at the temple was with the armies. Order 66 ensured that those armies turned upon their Jedi generals, killing them off with far superior numbers

c) Recalling every Jedi to the temple would have resulted in the following: The Jedi united, at their homeground. The clone armies were needed elsewhere, for publicity stunt if nothing else, but more likely to stave off any possible idea of a rebellion. Declaring that the supreme chancellor is talking BS is a lot more difficult if a clone-trooper armada is just 2 hours away from your planet, instead of few weeks.

So no massive numbers of politically expendable troops available to take on what is the most efficient group of fighters in the galaxy, while they are united and at their home ground. The publicity backlash would have been more abhorrent as well: the fighting would not have been over in an hour or two like it was, but would have been protracted for severals hours or even days. During this time the Jedi would have most certainly used the temple communications equipment to transmit their counter-propaganda, as well as pictures of childs and padawans getting slaughtered by the imperial troops.

Thank you for doing my job for me good sir. Also, I'm pretty sure that more than Obi-Wan and Yoda survived, at least initially.