pokemon gen 1 best final 6?

[shootthebandit]

So ive just started playing gen 1 again (blue) and ive not got very far yet (ive made it to rock tunnel). So far my team consists of charmeleon, gyarados, diglet, kadabra, pikachu and butterfree

my usual tactic is to send butterfree in first and use sleeping powder. Once my foe is asleep I select a relevant type against it. Eg gyarados vs fire or diglet vs electric

im just wondering if this is a strong team/strategy I should take to the pokemon league. I was considering swaping butterfree for a decent grass type (probably bellsprout) or even a jigglypuff but butterfree has some good psychic moves and with psychic being overpowered having it and kadabra will give my team a good psychic duo. When the time comes I may swap pikachu (then riachu) with a zapdos

What changes would you guys recommend (if any?) And what kind of tactics would you use with this team?

Also let us know what teams you use?

 

[Elfgore]

I'm no expert, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Get rid of Butterfree now. Those early game bugs are terrible. Low HP, and generally low stats make them very weak. Anything Butterfree, status effects, could do a Bellsprout could do better. You also already have a Kadabra to fulfill psychic moves. Butterfree is just taking up room.

Now a warning, be careful with your flying types. If you get Zapdos and remove Butterfree, you have three flying types. A rock type or ice type could cause you some pain. I would suggest removing Gyarados for a pure water type, like Lapras.

That's all I got for you.

But onto my team. My main team in White 2 is a custom team made by use of Pokecheck. Don't worry, I made sure they were all natural in both moves and EVs. My team as of now is, in order of importance, Haxorus, Lapras, Luiga, Typlosion, Venesaur, Krookodile. My team completely destroys anything it touched in game. I haven't lost a single fight yet.

 

[shootthebandit]

I'm no expert, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

1) Get rid of Butterfree now. Those early game bugs are terrible. Low HP, and generally low stats make them very weak. Anything Butterfree, status effects, could do a Bellsprout could do better. You also already have a Kadabra to fulfill psychic moves. Butterfree is just taking up room.

2) Now a warning, be careful with your flying types. If you get Zapdos and remove Butterfree, you have three flying types. A rock type or ice type could cause you some pain. I would suggest removing Gyarados for a pure water type, like Lapras.

That's all I got for you.

3) But onto my team. My main team in White 2 is a custom team made by use of Pokecheck. Don't worry, I made sure they were all natural in both moves and EVs. My team as of now is, in order of importance, Haxorus, Lapras, Luiga, Typlosion, Venesaur, Krookodile. My team completely destroys anything it touched in game. I haven't lost a single fight yet.

1. Yeah I was considering a bellsprout plus a bellsprout will have an added advantage over water types which is currently my pikachus main role. However For my status effect pokemon speed is the primary stat so I can hopefully get sleep powder in before the enemy

2. I might just keep pikachu. Hes a decent electric type and has good speed stats. I like gyarados although lapras is a good alternative

3. Im only really familiar with gen 1 but from what I gather that looks like a decent team

 

[krazykidd]

Gen one ?

Alakazam
Gengar
Dragonite
Gyarados
Charizard/blastoise
X ( put favorite pokemon here)

There you have the strongest pokemon in the game not counting legendaries.

 

[Eddy-16]

Get an Alakazam and Psychic your way through the game, failing that catch a Chansey teach it hyper beam and STAB hyper beam your way through the game.

 

[SmallHatLogan]

Gyarados suffers from the fact that all water moves in gen 1-3 were special attacks and Gyarados doesn't have a great special attack stat meaning it can't really take advantage of STAB. That said it's still pretty strong if you load it up with attack type moves (although I have no idea what moves it can learn).

As Elfgore said, get rid of Butterfree. You'll find it gets comparatively weaker as the game goes on due to crappy stats. I used a Butterfree back in the day. What a waste of experience points.

Dugtrio has decent attack and great speed but crappy defences. Get earthquake on it and it'll be doing good work for you. But if you don't one shot an enemy you could be in for a world of hurt. By all means use it, just be aware that it's a bit fragile.

Assuming you have the means to evolve Kadabra you can't go wrong there. Psychic type was crazy overpowered in gen 1.

 

[Mutie]

Use whatever you want / feel attached to. It's Gen 1, dude, not a lot of tactics to be had

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Dude, it's PvE Gen 1 Pokemon. you could beat the game with 6 Dittos if you really wanted to.

 

[Sheen Lantern]

Although this is 100% true...

Dude, it's PvE Gen 1 Pokemon. you could beat the game with 6 Dittos if you really wanted to.

...Your team sucks.

Pokemon I would recommend for in-game are:

Venasaur - 100% crit Razor Leaf + Sleep Powder + Charizard and Blastoise getting screwed over by the mono special stat (You know, besides the fact Charizard and Blastoise suck regardless) makes Bulbasaur the undisputed correct starter choice.

Alakazam/Mew (Replace with Mewtwo post-game) - Psychic is insanely broken in Gen 1, it's resisted by nothing and essentially has no weakness.

Gengar - Massive Sp. stat + insane crit chance due to it's colossal speed.

Zapdos - Is legendary, nuff said. Also, unlike the other birds, has something resembling a movepool in Gen 1.

Persian - Fat movepool, very fast and nearly always criticals.

Exeggutor - Status moves + Psychic type = bonked.

Chansey - Fighting type sucked fuck in Gen 1 + is a hard-counter to destructive Psychics.

Starmie - No explanation needed as Starmie is still good for the same reasons to this day.

Tauros - Big 'ol movepool + Physical STABed Hyper Beam.

Lapras - Not much to say here, learns good moves, has good stats. 'Nuff said.

Snorlax - AMNESIA ALL DAY ERRY DAY

Omastar - Huge bulk + Great coverage. One of the few Pokemon who rue the day of the special split.

Gyarados suffers from the fact that all water moves in gen 1-3 were special attacks and Gyarados doesn't have a great special attack stat meaning it can't really take advantage of STAB.

In Gen 1 Sp.ATK and Sp.DEF shared the same stat. One of the many reasons Gen 1 is by far the worst Gen.

catch a Chansey teach it hyper beam and STAB hyper beam your way through the game.

Off of a base five attack stat? Are you insane?

 

[ViridianV6]

If you want to keep the same types in your team go:
Alakazam from Kadabra
Charizard from Charmeleon (not advised to keep Fire though)
Rhydon instead of Diglett/Dugtrio
Cloyster/Lapras/Articuno/Starmie/Slowbro/(anything) instead of Gyarados
Zapdos/Jolteon instead of Pikachu/Raichu
Exeggutor/Venusaur instead of Butterfree

Types:

Psychic - Broken beyond recognition, deal more damage and reduce their damage AND confuse your enemy
Ice - Freeze and they can't do anything, also tanky as anything
Water - OK, but often a 2nd type to Ice/Psychic making them crazy good
Fire - A bad Ice that doesn't have freeze
Grass - Good damage and crits through Razor Leaf, usually coupled with Poison except Exeggutor and Tangela.
Poison - BAD, gets wrecked by Psychic and Ground, avoid
Bug - See above, though it does have Pin Missile which is good against Psychic
Flying - Glass cannon when Flying/Normal, legendary birds except Moltres are good though
Ground - Anti-electric, good damage, gets wrecked by Water/Ice/Grass
Rock - Defense in a special-oriented game, useless 2nd type gets further wrecked by Water/Ice/Grass
Normal - Great stats, movepool and utility
Ghost - Only Gengar, great stats and movepool, but 2nd type Poison
Fighting - Weak against Psychic, inflexible movepools
Dragon - Only Dragonite, good stats, shit movepool
Electric - Fast, lots of crits, Thunder Wave, good.

General tips

Use Surf/Thunderbolt instead of Hydro Pump/Thunder because of accuracy. Minimize, Double Team, Reflect and Barrier are good, USE THEM. All early game Pokemon are bad, ignore catching unless you want full Pokedex. Gyarados is terrible, Water/Flying takes 4x damage from Electric and has a crap movepool,avoid.

Gen I tl;dr Psychic destroys all, no need for any other type.

 

[AuronFtw]

Alakazam is the only thing you need. Alakazam was so broken they introduced two entire types to counter it in gen 2 (dark, with complete immunity, and steel, with NVE status). Zam is faster and harder hitting than anything else in the game at that point, and with minimal effort you can breed him with Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Psychic, Filler and be a complete monster. The coverage on that build is absolutely insane, and his speed/special are just incredible.

Even without the elemental punches, Psychic alone (given his base stats) is enough to clear the PvE campaign.

Tactics advice? Use psychic on all the things. Rest of the team can be HM whores for all the good they'll be.

Zapdos is a good semi-uber - solid coverage with thunderbolt and drill peck (both STAB) and good stats to boot. If you really want an electric type, run that. The "optimal" zapdos build of the past had hidden power grass, but you could just run Fly in lieu of that for convenience. Rest of the team is optional, really.

 

[Eddy-16]

Off of a base five attack stat? Are you insane?

Actually in Gen 1 Chansey had a special stat of 105, due to special being one stat rather than two. Also with STAB and no recharge on Hyper Beam if you kill, Chansey makes a pretty decent hitter.

EDIT: Links: Chansey [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Chansey_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Base_stats]

 

[Headsprouter]

Actually in Gen 1 Chansey had a special stat of 105, due to special being one stat rather than two. Also with STAB and no recharge on Hyper Beam if you kill, Chansey makes a pretty decent hitter.

EDIT: Links: Chansey [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Chansey_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Base_stats]

Hyper Beam (and all normal type moves) are PHYSICAL in gen 1 to 3, and uses the attack stat. A better choice would be Kangaskhan.

OT: Do whatever the hell you want. You could easily win with the team you have at the minute, only real issue being Butterfree, all they'll need is to be of a similar level.

 

[RJ 17]

So ive just started playing gen 1 again (blue) and ive not got very far yet (ive made it to rock tunnel). So far my team consists of charmeleon, gyarados, diglet, kadabra, pikachu and butterfree

my usual tactic is to send butterfree in first and use sleeping powder. Once my foe is asleep I select a relevant type against it. Eg gyarados vs fire or diglet vs electric

im just wondering if this is a strong team/strategy I should take to the pokemon league. I was considering swaping butterfree for a decent grass type (probably bellsprout) or even a jigglypuff but butterfree has some good psychic moves and with psychic being overpowered having it and kadabra will give my team a good psychic duo. When the time comes I may swap pikachu (then riachu) with a zapdos

What changes would you guys recommend (if any?) And what kind of tactics would you use with this team?

Also let us know what teams you use?

Kadabra in Gen 1 is...well...he's pretty much all you really need. PsyBeam does obscene amounts of damage. As I recall, between him and my Charizard, I never really had much trouble at all...everyone else was just kinda extra.

I'm trying to think of what my Gen 1 team was going into the pokemon league. I'm pretty sure I ended up with a team of Kadabra, Charizard, MewTwo, Zapdos, Gyrados, and Hitmonlee. But I don't think you get MewTwo or Zapdos until after you beat the League, right? I think one of my fillers for MewTwo was a Scyther, and I can't think of who I had before I got Zapdos. Think it might have been one of those big cute dragon dudes (think it's Dragonite or Dragonair...I can never remember which one is the big dragon and which one is the flying snake).

All in all, as long as you've got a Kadabra, you should (in general) be golden. PsyBeam is obscenely OP in Gen 1.

 

[Eddy-16]

SNIP

Did not remember that. Yeah Kangaskhan would be fine then I guess, much better speed as well. All you really need though is Alakazam.

 

[SerithVC]

Never really liked the Gen 1 games that much, but i'd recommend Charizard, Scyther, Ratatta, Eevee, Alakazam, and Sandslash. Then again, Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites.

Everyone seems to focus to much on stats and not enough on just sitting back and playing a game. And yes there is a huge difference between just playing a game and Meta-Gaming.

 

[JayRPG]

All those people saying get rid of Butterfree don't know what they are talking about, Butterfree is a beast.

I am biased because Butterfree is my favourite pokemon of all time but I have solo'd the elite four in gen 1 with a high level Butterfree.

On my recent playthrough of Red I used Butterfree, Starmie, Vileplume, Articuno, Alakazam and Gengar (the last 2 I needed to cheat for because I was on an emulator, but they were legit).

You can wipe Lance with a moderately leveled Articuno.

 

[Goliath100]

Cloyster/Lapras/Articuno/Starmie/Slowbro/(anything) instead of Gyarados

1: Why Articuno? It's not water, it's ice.
2: Cloyster is inferior in every stat except defence to Gyarados.
3: Slowbro, it's too slow.
4: Lapras is inferior in every offencive stat to Gyarados.
5: Off those pokemon, Starmie is the only one that got something (speed & the phyche type) on Gyarados.
6: Off Water Types, Tentacruel & Starmine are the only once that can debatable be called better (sweeper in 1st gen) than Gyarados, now you know.

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

I hate running Gyrados because he just falls apart to any Electric types. Most of his strengths are in his huge physical damage through moves like Bite and Thrash, but he's actually a pretty weak Water type. It's a better idea to run with a Pokemon that can learn Ice moves, like a Lapras or Dewgong.

Bug Pokemon in that generation make me want to cry. Get rid of Butterfree, it's a Pokemon with no real good stats other than learning Confusion for the first few gyms. It's not a good idea to rely on status moves like Sleep Powder or Stun Spore, because they have crappy accuracy chance. If you want a sleep causing Pokemon, go Ghastly for Hypnosis. Heck, get a Venemoth.

Diglett is a glass cannon: shitty defense and HP, but very fast and hits good enough. If you like speed, it's a good choice, but an Electric pokemon should satisfy your need for speed if you prefer a Ground Pokemon who's a designated damage sponge like, I don't know, Nidoking or Rhydon.

 

[ViridianV6]

Cloyster/Lapras/Articuno/Starmie/Slowbro/(anything) instead of Gyarados

1: Why Articuno? It's not water, it's ice.
2: Cloyster is inferior in every stat except defence to Gyarados.
3: Slowbro, it's too slow.
4: Lapras is inferior in every offencive stat to Gyarados.
5: Off those pokemon, Starmie is the only one that got something (speed & the phyche type) on Gyarados.
6: Off Water Types, Tentacruel & Starmine are the only once that can debatable be called better (sweeper in 1st gen) than Gyarados, now you know.

Fair point with Articuno

Gyarados takes 4x damage from Electric, have fun getting oneshotted by Zapdos, Jolteon, Electabuzz, Starmie, Gengar etc. Electric Pokemon are also known for their speed, so their attacks also critical hit most of the time which is even more painful.

Flying is a useless second typing on Gyarados as he learns no flying moves to utilise STAB and only really makes a bad weakness to Electric even worse. Therefore Gyarados only gets STAB off Water attacks. But then Water attacks run off the Special stat (which admittedly is pretty good), which don't use his Attack stat. Thus the only way to use his monster attack stat is to give him Normal attacks like Body Slam, which is inferior to Normal Pokemon like Tauros and Snorlax that get STAB on those attacks and hit harder and have fewer weaknesses.

Cloyster gets STAB off Blizzard and Ice Beam, so his ice attacks hit harder. Both get the bonus of STAB with water attacks, but water attacks don't freeze, and do negligible damage against grass. Also immunity to Freeze. Cloyster also learns Explosion, which overpowers any of Gyarados's physical attacks.

Slowbro can tank his special with Amnesia and become unkillable with Rest/Substitute/Barrier, and has a far more diverse move pool to use his STAB attacks, such as Surf and Psychic. Also, Slowbro is Water/Psychic and Psychic is actually a useful second stat.

Lapras outtanks Gyarados, matches Gyarados's Water attacks and out-damages Gyarados's Ice attacks and has enough health to use Rest effectively and also learns Thunder Wave for paralysis.

Starmie isn't just better because of its type, but also because it learns Recover for much better sustain, and Thunder Wave, which is guaranteed paralysis.

You raised a fair point with Tentacruel, since he does have a higher Special stat and thus better Water attacks but then Gyarados isn't Poison typed and therefore not Psychic weak or Ground immune.

Though in PvE, Gyarados is adequate enough to get the job done, so I guess you're right in that regard.