I have exactly zero respect for cops. The police force lacks accountability and is biased against the poor and racial minorities. It doesn't fucking matter if most cops are "good people". It's a broken institution.
I don't know where I've seen it sorry was on another PC I don't have access to right now, but it was already online, I didn't record it.Zykmiester said:Would you mind posting a link to the video in question?
You should just record the whole incident and report them. However most videos I've seen of so-called police brutality is just the suspect getting fucked up trying to resist arrest. Also, most cops are good people just doing their jobs with a minority abusing their power.
manic_depressive13 said:I have exactly zero respect for cops. The police force lacks accountability and is biased against the poor and racial minorities. It doesn't fucking matter if most cops are "good people". It's a broken institution.
Kaleion said:I live in México so I'm legally obligated to hate cops and be really cynical about the fact that there isn't anything I can do, here people have little to no faith in the police so no one really cares about police brutality, I mean let's worry about the brutality after we fix the ineptitude, it doesn't really seem fair to cops but then again I've never met a cop that wasn't a useless pile of corrupt trash, then again I know way more criminals than cops.
Artaneius said:Life has always been this way. People with power always abuse that power. If you were in the same position you would most likely make the same choices. Why? Because deep down, there is a monster behind that glass you would call morality.
Not The Bees said:I realize that you tried to end this with you know that there are good cops out there, but most are abusive little shits... and I find that incredibly insulting. As my father is a cop, my step-brother is a cop, I have friends that are cops. But mostly, my father... who I am incredibly proud of, who has done more than his fair share in this world of trying to be a good person, and all the rest of them that are treated like they're all one entity as if each cop from each precinct, from each district, from each city, from each county, from each state are the same.
Because they're not. And while I am the first one in line to punish over zealous and abusive cops, God knows I've had my fair share of run ins with them, I would never treat anyone with as much disrespect as you just showed right there. That is just wrong.
That's exactly what I meant.TakerFoxx said:Gotta agree with Not The Bees on this one. Every time I hear "Yeah, okay, I know that there's good X out there..." with X being anything from a job to a belief system to a nationality to what have you, it always translates in my mind as "But most of them are assholes!" Which always makes me think of this scene:
Relevant part at :59.
It might be a little less broken if people like you didn't go and give police officers shit for every call they make. Believe it or not, there are times when a person who's poor and/or part of a racial minority really did commit a crime and at that point he/she should be held accountable for their actions.manic_depressive13 said:I have exactly zero respect for cops. The police force lacks accountability and is biased against the poor and racial minorities. It doesn't fucking matter if most cops are "good people". It's a broken institution.
Yeah, except going to a protest these days is like inviting them to beat on your ass.thaluikhain said:What can you do? Film everything, even when it's not your problem, vote for people who oppose police brutality, go to protests...and try not to be too upset when this doesn't work and might get you on the receiving end of police brutality.
Dude, he didn't say he was a criminal, and besides, I've never been a jackass to cops, but that didn't stop them from being jackasses to me. Is that right to you?Uriel_Hayabusa said:It might be a little less broken if people like you didn't go and give police officers shit for every call they make. Believe it or not, there are times when a person who's poor and/or part of a racial minority really did commit a crime and at that point he/she should be held accountable for their actions.manic_depressive13 said:I have exactly zero respect for cops. The police force lacks accountability and is biased against the poor and racial minorities. It doesn't fucking matter if most cops are "good people". It's a broken institution.
The way I see it: some parts of society have become entirely too sympathetic towards criminal behavior, to the point that certain criminal actions will be blamed on things like poverty or racism or a crappy childhood or something else that's ''out of that person's control''. I want no part in that: in my eyes, anyone who blames outside factors for their criminal actions is only looking for excuses.
chris89300 said:Have you ever had your kid killed by a dumbass cop? These people are armed and dangerous. And we're giving them free will.
I'm guessing that attitudes like this are why cops, for good or ill, stick together the way they do.chris89300 said:Yeah, except going to a protest these days is like inviting them to beat on your ass.
I was LOLing so hard the other day. Some jackass police officer (don't remember his rank, he was a higher-up) was "shocked" at how no one in the entire crowd had helped a cop out when getting his ass kicked by some kid.
Oh wow, so we're supposed to help them now? Isn't that pretty much the description of their job?
Haha the nerve of that guy. When half the planet passionately hates police, he actually thinks someone would be dumb enough to intervene. He's adorable really .
Uriel_Hayabusa said:chris89300 said:Have you ever had your kid killed by a dumbass cop? These people are armed and dangerous. And we're giving them free will.I'm guessing that attitudes like this are why cops, for good or ill, stick together the way they do.chris89300 said:Yeah, except going to a protest these days is like inviting them to beat on your ass.
I was LOLing so hard the other day. Some jackass police officer (don't remember his rank, he was a higher-up) was "shocked" at how no one in the entire crowd had helped a cop out when getting his ass kicked by some kid.
Oh wow, so we're supposed to help them now? Isn't that pretty much the description of their job?
Haha the nerve of that guy. When half the planet passionately hates police, he actually thinks someone would be dumb enough to intervene. He's adorable really .
Just a reminder, going to protests isn't ''inviting [police officers] to beat your ass'', but using a so-called peaceful protest as a pretext for rioting and plundering stores sure as hell is.
Ah, so you admit that the police do tend to do this?Uriel_Hayabusa said:I'm guessing that attitudes like this are why cops, for good or ill, stick together the way they do.
Police, particularly in the US, are often condemned for attacking peaceful protests.Uriel_Hayabusa said:Just a reminder, going to protests isn't ''inviting [police officers] to beat your ass'',
Did you see any videos about police brutality where there was provocation? If you haven't, then why not? How about where there was provocation and the police did not react with brutality? What do you think is the relative proportion of outcomes of angry incidents between civilians and police? 100% police brutality? 100% police calm and professional?chris89300 said:I've just seen yet another police brutality video, as usual without provocation and I wanted to know what you guys thought about it.
Do you have any statistics of the result of court proceedings between civilians and law enforcement? I may not live in your country - and different police forces and legal systems have different results - so I would like to be informed.More specifically, how we, as citizens, should handle it. But, and this is the tricky part, not individually. Because as we all know, if an individual goes up against a cop in court, the citizen will pay dearly, but never the cop, even if all the evidence is against that cop.
It sounds like you have had difficult experiences with police officers that inform your current belief about police and policing. If you then come across videos of police brutality, then it seems not surprise that it should reinforce your negative views of people doing a difficult job.So, as the people who PUT FOOD ON COPS' TABLES, how should we handle this? Cuz let's be honest, they're little more than garbage men. Public servants. Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for garbage men, but not in the slightest for cops.
I am not certain that pre-denegrating people who may oppose your views is an ideal conclusion to your post. Also your assertion that most police are, in your words "little more than abusive little shits" needs to be backed up by more than an appeal to people's prejudices.And for the smartasses: YES, I know there are good, even great cops, hell, I personally know a few, but most of them are little more than abusive little shits, so the topic is about the latter.
Nowhere in the US do the police have battle tanks. They've gotten lots of pre-loved armoured vehicles the military doesn't want anymore, but that's not in of itself a bad thing. Lots of nations have armoured vehicles for the police, and train heavily armed units. The problem is that the US police has lots of hammers, and likes to act like too many things are nails. SWAT teams are all well and good, but they aren't there for things that don't require SWAT teams, which is most things...only, you're paying for these expensive teams to sit round and do nothing most of the time, so someone gets the bright idea to use them for other things. SWAT teams and armoured vehicles should be (hopefully) never actually used.chris89300 said:Not everyone is a criminal. A protest isn't a riot, where do you live? Syria? Afghanistan? Why do US cops from shitty little 5000 people towns have BATTLE TANKS in the US?
Do they need ***landmine-proof*** armored vehicles? Crimes rates are the lowest they've ever been, give that shit back to the military, who are actually trained professionals and not showing off in the streets.
Where do we draw the line? I'm tired of seeing 15-20 cops ganging up to "immobilize" ONE GUY. They gang up as to obstruct the view, so we don't see how savagely they beat the guy up.
Yeah, apparently when police are being filmed all the time, citizens don't go out of their way to cause trouble and be injured, according to police...of course, there may be other reasons.Varis said:Recording their shifts would seem like the way to go. And beyond that, they should be treated like every citizen should be treated when accused of crimes. Sentence them. No special treatment, after all, they're simply citizens in a job which is to offer security to public.
And if a person who fails to do that in his job as a cop, then I guess reasonable would also be to fire that person. Just as anyone else failing in their jobs, whatever it may be, usually gets fired if their work isn't up to standards.
Yes. The camera should always be on during their shifts in my opinion. If there isn't a video feed available, then we can straight assume it was shut down by the officer, thus condemning him.thaluikhain said:Varis said:Recording their shifts would seem like the way to go. And beyond that, they should be treated like every citizen should be treated when accused of crimes. Sentence them. No special treatment, after all, they're simply citizens in a job which is to offer security to public.
And if a person who fails to do that in his job as a cop, then I guess reasonable would also be to fire that person. Just as anyone else failing in their jobs, whatever it may be, usually gets fired if their work isn't up to standards.
Yeah, apparently when police are being filmed all the time, citizens don't go out of their way to cause trouble and be injured, according to police...of course, there may be other reasons.
Now, you could turn the thing off, but then people would ask why that happened.