Political Correctness

[perfectimo]

I use racist terms, derogatory terms and I use whatever other terms there are.

Please note that I do not use them with hate behind them. That would be the point at which I know I have gone too far.

so you use terms with horrible meanings without thinking right? It doesn't matter of your intent to use these words, if they offend someone you are accountable.

you say "******" around a black person and theres no way that you can tell him that you didn't mean it. you say "slut" around a woman and theres no going back. these words have meanings, use some sense, meanings of words cannot be changed just for you.

Read all my posts before you jump the gun.


EDIT: I also read your motto, interesting.

 

[Flarvii]

Political correctness has gone out of hand in the past few years. In Australia you can't sing the NATIONAL ANTHEM that's just stupid

 

[perfectimo]

Yuh huh, I did, decisive usage doesn't excuse the fact that these words were created to be offensive, you have a very poor vocabulary at best.

There is no point arguing with you, you have already decided your viewpoint on me and have already judged me on one part of my behaviour. Well I guess I'll take your word for it that I have a very poor vocabulary, have fun being a hypocrite.

 

[Rassan]

Ah I know a good video on political correctness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PwiyOwGh4g

 

[AngloDoom]

I use whatever words I like, but I'm also not arrogant enough to assume it's my god-given duty to be callous to people who do care. In my head, I call people with any sort of mental disability "retard". I don't mean it offensively, it just fits. However, I wouldn't say it around people unless I know they are okay with it.

PC does go too far though, they went through a patch of trying to make it so you couldn't say "homosexual". What the hell would you say in substitute?

 

[MelodyMan]

Heh this reminds me of this stupid after school special type shows. You know the big gayass family ones where everyone learns a valuable lesson then the father molests the kids once the cameras are gone. (Okay so I just hate these types of shows)

Basically this little white kid was friends with a black kid. Went over to his house after school and the black kid and his family were saying things like "whats up my ******" and "up yours negro" in a jovial way. Next day at school the kid greets his friend like that then basically the entire episode was of the black kid and his family all ostracising the poor little white bastard and just treat him like trash. Not up until the very end did anyone explain to the kid that he is not allowed to say these things even though they can then he has to apologise even though he insulted them out of ignorance, they treated him badly because they are assholes. They did not even explain why.
So basically the whole moral you were meant to learn was a complete failure.
I was going to make a thread about this sort of thing (When after school specials fail) weeks ago when I saw it but well... I am very very lazy.

Now that show was racist.

No matter what the word is, if only one race can use it that is racism.

so would it be racist if a black man called a caucasian man "whitey"

Depends. What I was saying is, if a black family can use the word "******" in a joking fashion and a white kid saying it jokingly is offensive is racism.

If black people can say "******" jokingly but if a white person does the same, and he is called racist, the racists would be the black people who take offense to he word yet use it themselves. Understand?

yah

 

[PatientGrasshopper]

Being political correct is a pain in the ass. because most of the time, these are things by the people that aren't a part of the culture. Like for instance Eskimo's. They don't care that they're called Eskimo's. We don't care that they're called Eskimo's. Only a few twats care that had the power to annoy the hell out of some people so that Eskimo would be politically incorrect to say.

Yes this is true, I have noticed that, it annoys most the people it doesn't effect.

Political correctness and the First Amendment do not mix, and I've far more love of the latter.

Thank you, someone understands.

NO. I don't want "hate speech" laws past here. You should not go to jail for expressing your opinion however foul. The Government has used similar laws in the past to place innocent people in jail. You don't have a right not to get your feeling hurt.

Hate speech is bogus anyway. I mean why classify only specif things said out of malice as hate speech? How do you define hate speech?

The premise of the idea is bullshit. "Let's not say certain things so we don't offend ANYONE."

Example (stolen from George Carlin, requiescat in pace):
Crippled -> Disabled -> Handicapped -> Differently abled (not always, but sometimes).

Okay, "crippled" has taken on a derogatory meaning. So I understand that. "Disabled" is not inherently offensive, and "handicapped" most certainly isn't. And "differently abled"...fuck, it's not that they can do stuff different ways, it's that they can't do stuff most of us can. I, for one, used to be almost totally deaf in my left ear (and am still sub-standard, but I had surgery and it got better). I wasn't "differently abled". I couldn't hear things in a different way that no one else could. I just plain couldn't hear out of one ear. DISabled. Not differently abled.

And this whole thing down in Houston about "we have to have a minority (i.e., black or Hispanic. For some reason, "Asian" and "Native American" don't seem to apply here) holding the title of Superintendent of Schools." And consequently, they chose Rod Paige because he was black (and though it was before my time, some of my teachers have attested that he drove HISD into the shitter) and then Abelardo Saavdra becaus he's hispanic, and he had the policy of "fuck talking about it, fucking thinking about it, fuck telling anyone in advance. I'll announce what I want to do when I'm announcing the plan to bring it up for debate/a vote, and what I say goes".

Political correctness is BS. It's gotten to the point of "we can't say anything bad about a Mexican or a Black person or they'll pull the race card on us, and there's no way out of it because everyone else is too much into political correctnss to stand up and say 'Bullshit, that's not a racist comment. Sit down and shut the fuck up.'"

Yes, Jesse Jackson is one of those people, if you say anything bad about a black person you must be racist even if what you said has nothing to do with race. The same thing happened with Obama supporters,if you didn't vote for Obama you must be racist because there can't possibly be another reason you wouldn't vote for Obama,that was their mentality.

 

[PatientGrasshopper]

Political correctness has gone out of hand in the past few years. In Australia you can't sing the NATIONAL ANTHEM that's just stupid

Do you mean the American National anthem? Because I can see how they might see that as disrespectful, although people in America sing the Canadian National anthem.

I use whatever words I like, but I'm also not arrogant enough to assume it's my god-given duty to be callous to people who do care. In my head, I call people with any sort of mental disability "retard". I don't mean it offensively, it just fits. However, I wouldn't say it around people unless I know they are okay with it.

PC does go too far though, they went through a patch of trying to make it so you couldn't say "homosexual". What the hell would you say in substitute?

Homosexual is the proper term, gay is not.

 

[PatientGrasshopper]

The same thing happened with Obama supporters,if you didn't vote for Obama you must be racist because there can't possibly be another reason you wouldn't vote for Obama,that was their mentality.

The same thing happened with Obama detractors, if you voted for Obama you must be reverse racist because there can't possibly be another reason you would for for Obama, that was their mentality.

And I saw a hell of a lot more of the latter than the former.

Homosexual is the proper term, gay is not.

Wait, are you trying to tell people the proper term...in a thread about how wrong it is to force others to use one term instead of another?

You...don't see the hypocrisy there?

I will agree there were people on both sides blaming the other of racism in regards to Obama,but most of the more vocal people I saw were the Obama supporters.

I wasn't saying that people couldn't use the term gay, I was just pointing out how ridiculous it was for the PC movement not to allow that term, there are terms that are more technical than others, but that doesn't make the non-technical terms wrong. However also in this case the origin of the term gay is happy so it has another technical meaning.

 

[hagaya]

I use racist terms, derogatory terms and I use whatever other terms there are.

Please note that I do not use them with hate behind them. That would be the point at which I know I have gone too far.

I work in the same way. If it doesn't offend the person you're talking to, its politically correct. I know when to stop, there are boundaries that are well beyond defined, and crossing one probably results in getting a brick to the face.

 

[PatientGrasshopper]

I think that's a big problem to: people are too quick to call something PC when really, it's a matter of being *more precise* with language.

I think on this we can agree. People want to be PC when what they are probably looking for is to be more precise.

 

[Motiv_]

I hate political correctness with a passion.

For example, I cannot say the term "Black Person" anymore because it's not politically correct. I'm not being called Irish American, or a Non Colored Person, I'm called a white person, so that's what I prefer to use. I don't use "Latino, or Hispanic" for the exact same reasons. I use "Mexican, or Mexican American" That's the way I think I should say things. If you disagree, then cover your ears.

 

[Mantonio]

I feel you should always be allowed to say what you like, as long as you never try and act upon it.

Edit: Let me elaborate. Freedom of speech means that you can say whatever you like. Yes, even terms that would be considered racist. However, the moment you actually act upon those words (such as using them to insult someone) you can be held accountable.

You had me up until you imposed a limit on free speech. I assume that you're talking about being arrested/fined for "hate crime", when you refer to being held accountable. I disagree with this on many levels. I think insulting somebody because of their race is actually less insulting than targeting them as individuals. If I were to be stereo-typed and called a cracker, I would find it pretty amusing, rather than offensive, as I'm not being targeted personally. If somebody were to insult me based on my actual personality, I would likely take much more offense.
Another problem with punishing people for "hate speech" is that it's only applied if the derogatory phrase(s) in question is directed toward an ethnic minority. That is not equality, and I believe that is what we're meant to be aiming for. I wouldn't expect somebody to be fined or arrested for swearing at me or making an insult directly aimed at me, so why should this be different? It's just "white guilt". We need to stop with this shit and actually treat people equally, if that is indeed our goal.

I feel you misunderstood me. Hate speech you can't punish, as it is still covered by Freedom of Speech. Hate motivated actions however, you can.

 

[BardSeed]

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My mistake, although you did use an insult as an example of an act.

 

[kawligia]

Political correctness mistakenly teaches people that they have a right not to be offended. That isn't true and it's a very dangerous lesson to teach.

If people can force others to say or not to say certain things, it's only a matter of time before free speech is gone forever. Free speech is the cornerstone for our entire society. Without it, a democratic system cannot survive.

If someone's speech offends you, you are free to voice your discontent. That's fine. But PC is becoming more than a suggestion or request for politeness. It's becoming a demand that some people think they have a right to enforce by shutting that person up. That's what's dangerous.

 

[Alex_P]

I wasn't saying that people couldn't use the term gay, I was just pointing out how ridiculous it was for the PC movement not to allow that term, there are terms that are more technical than others, but that doesn't make the non-technical terms wrong.

THERE IS NO "PC MOVEMENT"! There was never a "PC movement"! There is only the illusion of a "PC movement" and a bunch of people who do "PC" things because they're convinced it exists.

-- Alex

 

[Alex_P]

I hate when we can't call people "bigots" and have to say they believe in "states rights."

Or when they call it "judicial activism": all that really means is "I disagree because I want to force my morality on other people and the law says I can't"

You forgot a bunch more.
Racism -> patriotism.
Nationalism -> patriotism.
Jingoism -> patriotism.
Patriarchal authority -> family values.
Religious indoctrination -> family values.
Stuff that was created as a political statement in the 1950s(*) -> tradition.

None of these get the scathing label of "political correctness", though. Apparently it's only wrong to be offended about race, gender, or sexual orientation.

-- Alex
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* - E.g. "under God", Confederate bars on the Georgia state flag.

 

[mangus]

I think not being able to call things retarded is retarded. Retarded means unworkable, if something is unworkable, I call it retarded.

I was thinking about "gay" the other day, as well. It used to mean 'happy' then it meant 'homosexual' now it means 'undesirable'. Maybe we're not so much intolerant people as subconsciously evolving the language

 

[punkrocker27]

[quote="0thello" post="18.118051.2261303I don't really care about the term Caucasian, it doesn't bother me because I've never had to really use it, however in the context of this conversation: The irony of your statement is that White people/Caucasians can trace their heritage back to Africa too and still retain the culture of whatever individual place they're from. Since of course white people are from Africa too if we want to get into the nitty/gritty of the truth however just like the migrations White people/Caucasians made, people who would be considered black (by the incorrect super-umbrella term) exist outside of Africa. They exist in Asia and even Australia. You're very right about the term caucus being an incorrect moniker however in that vain care to provide another?[/quote]

alright here we go with the semantics. i'm talking specifically about race and how it corresponds to nationality, not anthropology. you wouldn't have to use the term african american either, would you, if you aren't from the US? often i find people irked because african american doesn't denote their country of origin, such as places outside of africa, even if they don't know their heritage which is usually the case with some because of slavery and that's why to avoid possible offensiveness the government just uses african american to cover everybody's ass. it isn't meant to mean all blacks are from africa. of course not, but their closest ancestors were. caucasian is different because it means a specific region and is old and has been disproved. i wouldn't mind just saying black or white but thats okay cause those denotations are usually held on the same regard. matter o fact i will provide more, it's the same deal with latino/hispanic/white hispanic/latino. the system might not be exactly the way you want it to be but it works and if it really bothers you take it up with someone else. sorry if i missed the point

 

[Unstoppable Wall]

Oh fuckin A, I am sick and tired of political correctness, YES it has a place TO A CERTAIN POINT. After that it is nothing more then so goddamn annoying that I'm ready to pistol whip anyone that tells me to say "visually-challenged" rather than blind. I mean good lord it wasn't a derogatory term so why the hell the concern? I agree with Haydyn, I don't want one race supreme over all others, no all I ask is that people open their eyes and realize something, WE...ARE...ALL...HUMAN. Which means I don't really give a flying fuck where you're from, if i don't like you it's probably because you're a less than savory person. Sorry, getting off-topic but what I don't get is how the only people that seem to even want to be politically correct are those people with Holier-Than-Thou attitudes. Look I understand how being politically correct is nice and all but give it a rest, we all know it's nothing more than a charade you put on for everyone to see how "wonderful" of a person you are. I just don't know what's wrong with people to realize that we are all just that, PEOPLE! So just forget that race exists and we won't have to deal with issues spawned off of it like this.

I don't know maybe my view is a little extreme but I just wish we could drop the act and be who we are.
Til next time.

-Unstoppable Wall