[politics] Sharpie Man - How does it feel to be an American under an insecure president?

[CaitSeith]

And once again, the whataboutists ruin the conversation.

 

[Eacaraxe_v1legacy]

Cool, thanks for clearing that up.

... Although I am confused if we're not arguing the same thing, how do we proceed with the conversation?

In terms of this vein, there's really not much more to be discussed. For me, the buck starts and stops on his reneging on four years' worth of campaigning and Senate activity against the very decisions he embraced as President. I loved Campaign Obama and still love Campaign Obama, regardless of my contempt for President Obama. The funny thing was, what made me really start questioning his foreign policy was bin Laden. Nothing will convince me that disposition was just.

He allowed a civil war to happen, and stopped the army from immediately overwhelming the rebels.

Dude, Libya had so many spooks Gaddafi probably thought they were filming a Ghostbusters sequel. Libya's chief import was the CIA. We were literally running guns through the embassy and had a black site on consulate grounds. We practically manufactured the Arab Spring. The Obama admin didn't so much "allow" the civil war to happen, so much as cause it -- and that was far from the only one.

 

[Trunkage]

He allowed a civil war to happen, and stopped the army from immediately overwhelming the rebels.

Dude, Libya had so many spooks Gaddafi probably thought they were filming a Ghostbusters sequel. Libya's chief import was the CIA. We were literally running guns through the embassy and had a black site on consulate grounds. We practically manufactured the Arab Spring. The Obama admin didn't so much "allow" the civil war to happen, so much as cause it -- and that was far from the only one.

Dude, I expect most countries are lousy with CIA operatives. There's probably a few thousand in my country right now. We're being asked to send warships to the Horn of Hormuz to help the US and I wouldn't be surprised that we say yes. I wouldn't be surprised that the CIA makes this happen.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Brexit was caused by the CIA, and that they had operatives in the UK and EU stymieing the negotiations. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the reason India is attacking Kashmir at the moment is to stop the Chinese spreading. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the Uighurs terrorism movement was being propped up by the CIA. I wouldn't be surprised that the CIA made a bunch of money off the opioid epidemic. I wouldn't be surprised that the CIA are trying to take out Trump, because he's probably done more to destroy CIA operations than any enemy has ever done.

What I find laughable about the whole Russian Intervention in the 2016 election is that. 1. it's definitely true (but Trump might not be involved. I'll wait for evidence) 2. we're pretending it only happened this election. Which is a big nope, they've been doing it for a century. 3. we're pretending that the US doesn't do this daily to other elections. I don't understand how people think the US meddling is better than Russian.

Does that justify Obama using operatives? Nope.

 

[Eacaraxe_v1legacy]

Snip.

Preaching to the choir there, bro. The US intelligence community is pure cancer, and the sooner it's excised in the name of world peace the better as far as I'm concerned. Considering the CIA role in Latin America and the drug trade in the '70s and '80s, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Afghanistan was ultimately an opium war and had fuck-all to do with bin Laden or AQ. Enough declassified, leaked, and known information strongly supports the conclusion.

With regards to Russia, I definitely believe Russia was meddling, but I don't buy for a nanosecond what the American people have been fed by the media. I'd lay cold, hard cash Hermitage was an intelligence asset and probably laundering money for espionage and covert operations. The US got caught with its pants around its ankles (again) and Obama got his own little Bay of Pigs in Ukraine. The connection most seem to have double-thought away, is Natalya Veselnitskaya was Denis Katsyv's (and Prevezon's) representative, and both had Fusion GPS on retainer at the time of the pee-pee dossier's authorship.

"Russian interference" was obviously blowback over the Magnitsky Act and Ukraine, any idiot who's done an iota of research beyond what the idiot box talking heads yell can tell you that. Hunter Biden wasn't the only one involved in that Ukraine dust-up; Tony Podesta was, too, and it's awfully funny the DoJ out of nowhere dropped a multiple-year investigation immediately after this Trump-Ukraine shit got whistle blown, despite that Podesta was known to be working with Manafort on behalf of Yanukovich.

What I think happened, was Russian actors were feeding Democrats disinformation through Fusion GPS. In the meantime, dumbfuck boomers in the DNC fell for a basic ***** phishing scam, and the Russians learned firsthand Democratic capability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Blowing the whistle on DNC incompetence was a far better angle than they could ever fabricate, so they went with that. Democrats realized how badly they got played and tried to buy and bury the dossier through Perkins-Coie, and later McCabe using FBI discretionary funding, but by that time Christopher Steele had one sip of Kool-aid too many and went off the reservation.

And, instead of shut up, take the L, and blame it all on the least competent and most corrupt Presidential campaign in living memory which has single-handedly destroyed Democratic prospects until at least 2030, Democrats took it upon themselves to double down on their own incompetence and try to lay the blame on Trump.

 

[Agema]

Dude, I expect most countries are lousy with CIA operatives.

Given the CIA has only ~20,000 employees, probably not that many. Although if you include "subcontracted" workers like informants, kinds of freelancers, etc. and other government workers such as diplomatic staff with CIA connections, should be more substantial.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

All I have to say on this matter is this:

Republicans, you have a choice. Do you actually Love this country as you so espouse, or do you love the idea of owning it?

I don't believe in a lot of your principles, but that doesn't necessarily mean the republican way is wrong. However, this man is damaging relations between ourselves and the world. If the republican ideas are strong enough, they can be carried by another.

To stick with this man because he just has a better chance than anyone else says you love the idea of owning the Country than doing what's best for it. You only need to see the headlines and/or go outside just to speak about politics and see people scurry away to know how damaging he truly is.

"A house divided against itself, cannot stand" Abraham Lincoln (R)