In every game the moral choice system is as transparent as a pane of glass. "crush orphanage" and "save puppies" are very easy choices. It ALSO applies to non moral choice systems. The players motivation to play and succeed for his affiliated faction always comes from the fact that his side is declared "right" or the "good side" and they have no qualms gunning down hundreds of the "evil" enemies.
I have a new idea. I would make a resistance game. A game where the masses have had enough of the oppressive government. The player has to decide which side hes on. But there is no right. The government slaughter hundreds with reprisals and an iron fist, no mercy for anyone. The resistance would sacrifice a hundred innocents to even annoy the governments, their bombs being detonated without care to kill oppressors and civilians indescriminantly. They use child soldiers, sometimes as suicide bombers to hit the government as hard as they can. There is no right. They dont want to do these things. The war got so brutal in escalation, morals were lost along the way. Its sad, the leaders hate it, but so zealous are they in their belief theres is the true way to save the people they think it is worth these atrocities. You can swap faction when ever you want.
Both sides are ruthless, cold and by any definition "Evil" just to compete with eachother. Both will justify it to you when you join "Freedom at any cost", "The resistance has no morals, why should we?". They are forced to be. It escalated. The individuals? Good people. They just want whats best for humanity. One or two phycopath or zealous leaders who are certain they are right leaders and BAM, its a fuckfest down there. Both are convinced its worth it. They want peace. They really do. It was a war of escalation. Its got to this insane point where they lash at as hard as they can by any means neccessary. Its been going on for years and years. The people are sick of it. They want an end. They become more ruthless in attempt to end it faster. It just gets worse.
You could sell out your resistance or use your power to plant a bomb deep in a government building. You could then DOUBLE DOUBLE cross your faction. Its endless. One finality. One HAS to win. There is little doubt the rebels will becoming a ruling elite in the new government if they win. There is little doubt the government ragime will become brutal to prevent another rebellion.
The player has a third choice. If rebel or police he has access to a missile, a last resort. The player COULD fire this at who ever he wants, to deal a MASSIVE blow to both sides. Or. He could flatten the city. Everyone. Himself included. There is no right here. The war is the abomination. You are not told you can do this, the player has a coordinate to fire at, if he hits the nuclear power station the city is wiped. No survivors, not even chilren and innocents. The explosion is cataclysmic.
I was curious now. You cant win. As the player you will ALWAYS be made to commit acts of evil. You will ALWAYS be in the wrong. You dont get simple "good and evil". I wanted this to be like reality. Its all a grey zone. To achieve peace people have to die. Simple as that. Its about humanity and losing it, giving up a part of yourself for peace. kill 20 innocents to make the war closer to ending? Is it worth it? Would you do it?
Are there any games already like this? Do you like the concept? Any ideas to say? What would you do? I wanna see if theres a bias toward one particular side.
PLEASE READ THIS, IM GETTING THE SAME REPLY EVERY DAMN TIME EDIT: Let me clarify. These people are not purposfully cruel and evil. They both want an ordered world to live in. In each faction you get 5 squad mates. They would die to save you, they love you like a brother, tell you about their families. They just want a better world to live in. And think any price is worth paying to achieve it. Its got to the point where the factions are so desperate to win and achieve this "better" world that they have become slowly more ruthless to match eachother. Its a back and forth "he started it" arhuement. The people are good. The war is evil. Its driven them to do these things.
Its all about selling your humanity for victory, how many must die so we can have peace? Is it worth it?
I have a new idea. I would make a resistance game. A game where the masses have had enough of the oppressive government. The player has to decide which side hes on. But there is no right. The government slaughter hundreds with reprisals and an iron fist, no mercy for anyone. The resistance would sacrifice a hundred innocents to even annoy the governments, their bombs being detonated without care to kill oppressors and civilians indescriminantly. They use child soldiers, sometimes as suicide bombers to hit the government as hard as they can. There is no right. They dont want to do these things. The war got so brutal in escalation, morals were lost along the way. Its sad, the leaders hate it, but so zealous are they in their belief theres is the true way to save the people they think it is worth these atrocities. You can swap faction when ever you want.
Both sides are ruthless, cold and by any definition "Evil" just to compete with eachother. Both will justify it to you when you join "Freedom at any cost", "The resistance has no morals, why should we?". They are forced to be. It escalated. The individuals? Good people. They just want whats best for humanity. One or two phycopath or zealous leaders who are certain they are right leaders and BAM, its a fuckfest down there. Both are convinced its worth it. They want peace. They really do. It was a war of escalation. Its got to this insane point where they lash at as hard as they can by any means neccessary. Its been going on for years and years. The people are sick of it. They want an end. They become more ruthless in attempt to end it faster. It just gets worse.
You could sell out your resistance or use your power to plant a bomb deep in a government building. You could then DOUBLE DOUBLE cross your faction. Its endless. One finality. One HAS to win. There is little doubt the rebels will becoming a ruling elite in the new government if they win. There is little doubt the government ragime will become brutal to prevent another rebellion.
The player has a third choice. If rebel or police he has access to a missile, a last resort. The player COULD fire this at who ever he wants, to deal a MASSIVE blow to both sides. Or. He could flatten the city. Everyone. Himself included. There is no right here. The war is the abomination. You are not told you can do this, the player has a coordinate to fire at, if he hits the nuclear power station the city is wiped. No survivors, not even chilren and innocents. The explosion is cataclysmic.
I was curious now. You cant win. As the player you will ALWAYS be made to commit acts of evil. You will ALWAYS be in the wrong. You dont get simple "good and evil". I wanted this to be like reality. Its all a grey zone. To achieve peace people have to die. Simple as that. Its about humanity and losing it, giving up a part of yourself for peace. kill 20 innocents to make the war closer to ending? Is it worth it? Would you do it?
Are there any games already like this? Do you like the concept? Any ideas to say? What would you do? I wanna see if theres a bias toward one particular side.
PLEASE READ THIS, IM GETTING THE SAME REPLY EVERY DAMN TIME EDIT: Let me clarify. These people are not purposfully cruel and evil. They both want an ordered world to live in. In each faction you get 5 squad mates. They would die to save you, they love you like a brother, tell you about their families. They just want a better world to live in. And think any price is worth paying to achieve it. Its got to the point where the factions are so desperate to win and achieve this "better" world that they have become slowly more ruthless to match eachother. Its a back and forth "he started it" arhuement. The people are good. The war is evil. Its driven them to do these things.
Its all about selling your humanity for victory, how many must die so we can have peace? Is it worth it?
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