Poll: Abortion a political issue?
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Exactly.
I don't believe that allowing the FETUS to be born would be doing any good if the environment it's being born into is not suitable. If the unwilling mother does not have the necessary means to support a child, would that not be doing more harm than not? You could be causing TWO ruined lives and not just one. Having a child is a lifetime commitment, if the woman is not up for it. She should not be made to. -.- Also. The adoption system.. is far too neglectful in many areas of the world for me to be comfortable with sending more people to it.
Also. I would like to point out to all the guys here throwing around the word adoption easily, that until they find themselves in circumstance where they have to GO through giving birth. Then really, it's not for them to decide.
I don't believe that allowing the FETUS to be born would be doing any good if the environment it's being born into is not suitable. If the unwilling mother does not have the necessary means to support a child, would that not be doing more harm than not? You could be causing TWO ruined lives and not just one. Having a child is a lifetime commitment, if the woman is not up for it. She should not be made to. -.- Also. The adoption system.. is far too neglectful in many areas of the world for me to be comfortable with sending more people to it.
Also. I would like to point out to all the guys here throwing around the word adoption easily, that until they find themselves in circumstance where they have to GO through giving birth. Then really, it's not for them to decide.
Getting rid of the rapist solves the problem of having a rapist alive. According to rainn.org, 46% percent of rapists that are released from prison are arrested again within 3 years.Ivoryagent post=18.68731.638724 said:
As for conscience-- I really don't see what that has to do with anything. So what if I didn't have one? The fact that I "wouldn't know" if I was being aborted doesn't change the fact that I am being aborted.
The baby after birth is still being driven by base urges (eat, sleep, warmth ETC.)similar to any plant or animal and will be for weeks. Shouldn't abortion be legal up to 2 or 3 weeks after delivery, if the mother in fact doesn't want the hassle of raising it then why not? While we're at it lets just make it a fine if a fetus or child under a certain age is destroyed. "you were drinking and driving and a 2 year old and a 8 month old were terminated? Since they wouldn't have remembered the accident had they survived that's a $100 fine for the kids and $1600 fine for the DWI."
I'm pro choice. For those of you that don't get what that means, I support the right to choose to have an abortion or not. I'm not saying "Hey your pregnant?? Lets get an abortion, I'm buying." I'm saying if you need to, then do so.
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As for it being a political issue, it is somewhat, but there is no avoiding people blowing it up into a major factor in the elections.
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As for it being a political issue, it is somewhat, but there is no avoiding people blowing it up into a major factor in the elections.
Because fighting the cause would mean making people be responsible for their actions, and heaven forbid anything like that should happen.Ultrajoe post=18.68731.638444 said:
Also, Maddox.
Ah but There is a flaw in this logic, computers have no concience yet they are crucial to our lives and if you say they're not you're a liar, because you're looking at a computer screen RIGHT NOW.Ivoryagent post=18.68731.638994 said:
But by saying everything without a concience is worthless you're saying all inanimate objects are worthless.
Correct me if I'm wrong as I'm sure this next statement will be completely ignorant, but don't abortions help Stem Cell research? Or am I thinking of something else? I know a baby/fetus has something to do with Stem Cell research and stuff, or again I could be comepletely ignorant.
I think it is a moral issue. I think that people should have the choise, but i would never encourage or support some one who was going to have one. the focus should should be on not getting pregnate instead of trying to do something about it after getting pregnate. also when i say people should have the choice i mean early on, not after its developed/born. I think if it is stoped/killed after a certian amount of time then it is basicaly murder.
I don't think abortion will be a political issue unless another Roe vs. Wade pops up in the Supreme Court. Right now it's strictly in the realm of morals/ethics.
And on that note, I just want to say this. Men, myself included, will never in our lives understand the risk or responsibility of childbirth. We might be needed as father figures in the long run, but they [women] have to incubate the little monsters and push them out of their sex-boxes. I really don't know how much of a say I get on the matter. According to society's skewed perception, that makes me pro-choice.
And on that note, I just want to say this. Men, myself included, will never in our lives understand the risk or responsibility of childbirth. We might be needed as father figures in the long run, but they [women] have to incubate the little monsters and push them out of their sex-boxes. I really don't know how much of a say I get on the matter. According to society's skewed perception, that makes me pro-choice.
It's definitely a practice that the government should keep out of.
And one of the few that I think religious institutions should take a stance on, instead of things like gay marriage where religions are against it and I *sigh* and lose a little respect in humanity.
Also, as long as it's done in the first trimester BEFORE THE BABY CAN FEEL PAIN, (no it's not concsience but it can still feel) my stance stays the same. And, make more fricken clinics and make it so someone who's job is to do so refusing to give one is subject to either prison or massive fines. I feel that way about pharmacisists who discriminate whether to give the after-pill to married women/ un-married women . If your manager has it stocked to be sold and you refuse to give it you should be fined....... And have something the size of a brick-shit house shoved up their ass.
And one of the few that I think religious institutions should take a stance on, instead of things like gay marriage where religions are against it and I *sigh* and lose a little respect in humanity.
Also, as long as it's done in the first trimester BEFORE THE BABY CAN FEEL PAIN, (no it's not concsience but it can still feel) my stance stays the same. And, make more fricken clinics and make it so someone who's job is to do so refusing to give one is subject to either prison or massive fines. I feel that way about pharmacisists who discriminate whether to give the after-pill to married women/ un-married women . If your manager has it stocked to be sold and you refuse to give it you should be fined....... And have something the size of a brick-shit house shoved up their ass.
Points awarded. And at least somebody got the message i was giving.meatloaf231 post=18.68731.639026 said:
Another issue, if a man is not ready to be a father but the woman is adamant... As his seed helped forge the child, can he have a say in its termination?
