Poll: Afterlife
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we had better damn well get some sort of cosmic retirement for all this nonsense that is existance. we have to suffer through life's trials, some go through far worse suffering than others, for just a mere 7-9 decades (if you're lucky), and then thats it? the gift of conciousness and learning ends with nothing? what a rip-off that is, even if you are wealthy enough to live life to its fullest. I mean, I've had to suffer through cancer nearly right after college in the middle of what were suppost to be my young, peak years in my 20's, I've been robbed my health, so I'm rather pissed about the prospect of hitting 30 and going downhill.
And that's not including the indignity of old age; you get all this wisdom and life experience, but often become so frail that it's wasted, forced to need assistance with the bathroom, stuffed into an old folks home because your rotten kids are too busy working to take care of their parents, or the worst for most of us, which is losing your mind to dementia. At least that's the worst to me... dementia or forgetting everything basicly equates to not knowing you exist at all. We may have longer life expectancy, but all it did was extend old age, not youth, when we're at our peak for more than 4-10 years, and not start to break down at 30, then I'll say that's something.
I'll will myself into another existance or afterlife if I have to, I'm pretty determined to not end with this life.
If not I'll be taking it up with the universe's manager, so its cool guys, I got this for you too
And that's not including the indignity of old age; you get all this wisdom and life experience, but often become so frail that it's wasted, forced to need assistance with the bathroom, stuffed into an old folks home because your rotten kids are too busy working to take care of their parents, or the worst for most of us, which is losing your mind to dementia. At least that's the worst to me... dementia or forgetting everything basicly equates to not knowing you exist at all. We may have longer life expectancy, but all it did was extend old age, not youth, when we're at our peak for more than 4-10 years, and not start to break down at 30, then I'll say that's something.
I'll will myself into another existance or afterlife if I have to, I'm pretty determined to not end with this life.
If not I'll be taking it up with the universe's manager, so its cool guys, I got this for you too
Seems weak willed to me.jboking said:
I do nice things for people because I like the feeling of being nice. I don't need to be coerced into not being a ****. It is a bit disturbing to think that people need to be tricked into being nice.
But that is of course just my two cents
.I have seen no evidence to show that religion is any more beneficial than being optimistic, however there are centuries/millenia of evidence that show how religion (unlike optimism) can result in great wrongs.
A look at the AIDS epidemic in Africa is a fantastic quick current example. Telling folks that condoms cause aids and that they will cause one to, when they die, end up in eternal damnation is a truly terrible thing.
I am fully in support of optimism, I think people should try and look at the world in a nicer light (because in the end it really isn't that bad) but I find little solace in the idea of coercing people to act 'correctly'.
I'm taking a wait-and-see approach to the whole afterlife thing though if video cassette tapes have taught me anything about the ending of a story, I'm not looking forward to the infinite blackness that follows the credits
Well...
60% of logic says there is no afterlife - your whole being is located inside your brain and as soon as the oxygen supply to it stops it's all gone. 40% of logic says the theory of "the field" is correct and all living beings are made up out of energy that somehow corresponds with a gigantic field out in space - the theory assumes the amount of energy in the universe is constant and therefore death must always be followed by new life to keep the balance - AKA reincarnation.
100% of my hopes say the theory of the field is true. I really believe nothing, though very much hope reincarnation does indeed exist.
60% of logic says there is no afterlife - your whole being is located inside your brain and as soon as the oxygen supply to it stops it's all gone. 40% of logic says the theory of "the field" is correct and all living beings are made up out of energy that somehow corresponds with a gigantic field out in space - the theory assumes the amount of energy in the universe is constant and therefore death must always be followed by new life to keep the balance - AKA reincarnation.
100% of my hopes say the theory of the field is true. I really believe nothing, though very much hope reincarnation does indeed exist.
When i think about M-Theory & all it's possibilities. I see it as scientifically feasible.
So i can't discount it.
So i can't discount it.
And I agree. My point was that they are still being nice, not destructive.theultimateend said:Seems weak willed to me.jboking said:
I do nice things for people because I like the feeling of being nice. I don't need to be coerced into not being a ****. It is a bit disturbing to think that people need to be tricked into being nice.
But that is of course just my two cents
I never argued for any religion, in fact, I never brought one up. So I see no need to compare it to optimism. However, I will say that most examples of how religion has done harm is the word being abused or misplaced. You may not realize it now, but misplaced optimism has done worlds of hurt. See: 2001-2004 - US gov attitude towards middle east conflict.
Also, I will bring up one religion that I believe has done absolutely no harm to the world. Buddhism. Buddhism is a religion, and I contest it has caused less harm to the world than Optimism.
Given the choice I would want to go to Vahalla when I die (now THAT'S my kind of afterlife!).
Seriously though, I doubt that we go to any supernatural or spiritual place when we die, our body merely decomposes underground and stays there.
This said, there is nothing wrong with having a belief of life after death, it certainly is gentler on the reletives of the deceased to think that your loved one is in a better place (or more satisfying for their enemies to think they're suffering as we speak).
Seriously though, I doubt that we go to any supernatural or spiritual place when we die, our body merely decomposes underground and stays there.
This said, there is nothing wrong with having a belief of life after death, it certainly is gentler on the reletives of the deceased to think that your loved one is in a better place (or more satisfying for their enemies to think they're suffering as we speak).
