Poll: American?s disillusion with WW2

[Varanfan9]

Russians beat the Germans mostly, the US beat the Japanese. Everyone was instrumental none the less but Russia and US ended the war on both fronts.

 

[zombie711]

Damn there sure is a fair amount of America bashing on this site. Ya know, Americans don't spend time bashing Australia or Russia or Canada, etc...

Umm... I'm sorry but, do you LIVE here?!

Sure there's nothing about Australia, but I can't go through a single day without hearing something about Russia sucking.

And there's always someone making fun of Canada, but that's more like once a week then two-three times a day

Yaaa but I live in england and a bunch of english people poke fun at the canadians.

As for the Russia hate, America and Russia fought in the cold war, so theres a bit of bad blood inbetween them. The english and french dont really like each other because for most of the time they knew each other they tried to kill each other, and all this fighting tends to leave aggression for years to come.

 

[steampunk42]

let begin by saying this: i am american, let me continue by saying im an avid history buff and hope one day to make my living as a history teacher (the joke being i want to make a living as a teacher) and i can say from a future-proffesional view that while americans did play a huge part in the war, by no means were we big immortal badasses who one the war on their own adn with no help from others, just as americans we are only shown things we are interested in and most people believe we are not interested in others being the heroes....so most war movies only show maericans and therefor we believe that we did everything. really, in the next ten seconds name one other world war 2 movie that doesent feature americans as the main character....thats right only Enemy at the Gate.

 

[mikemart]

oh look another America hate thread

this is new

 

[steampunk42]

Damn there sure is a fair amount of America bashing on this site. Ya know, Americans don't spend time bashing Australia or Russia or Canada, etc...

Umm... I'm sorry but, do you LIVE here?!

Sure there's nothing about Australia, but I can't go through a single day without hearing something about Russia sucking.

And there's always someone making fun of Canada, but that's more like once a week then two-three times a day

Yaaa but I live in england and a bunch of english people poke fun at the canadians.

As for the Russia hate, America and Russia fought in the cold war, so theres a bit of bad blood inbetween them. The english and french dont really like each other because for most of the time they knew each other they tried to kill each other, and all this fighting tends to leave aggression for years to come.

Yes we bash russia....picked up a call of duty game recently?

 

[BlumiereBleck]

Now it?s a common fact that the American army came to aid the allied forces engaged across Europe.
However Americans believed this meant they single handily turned the tide of the war and ?won it?.

How much do you think Americans are bias about their engagement in World War 2?

Personally being English I feel their involvement was instrumental in ending the war a lot quicker but I think the true praise belongs to British and Canadians, but more so the French, those who faught the war from the bloody begining to the bloody end. Their country is a living memento to the fallen, all over and I mean all over France you can find graveyards and a memorials to all the men whom fought and died in that horrendous war.

I appologise for posting within the incorrect threat catagorey

It's no illusion, it's no disillusion it's FACT America won that war.

It's so much of a fact, that every documentary and history book ever made (outside of America) fail to realise it.
/Sarcasm

The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison. Check it out

 

[BlumiereBleck]

It's no illusion, it's no disillusion it's FACT America won that war.

North Africa mate. The first allied victory was when the Brits beat the Italians and then the Germans. Eisenhower then came along to assist the killing blow.

We weren't going to disintegrate, without the US.

North America, but not into Germany. sure there were bombing raids but any success in making it into Germany? Also need i be reminded of Montgomery?

 

[zombie711]

and droped the bomb on hiroshima. I not saying the last thing was a good thing but america did sorta end the war in europe and asia.

Being proud of one of humanities greatest attrocities against civilians is probably not a good thing.

I see you took the liberty of cutting out the sentence were I said that the bomb was not a good thing, but dont worry I'll put it back for you

 

[FinalHeart95]

The way WWII is taught in America they push the fact that we were the most important part of the war or whatever. I don't think it helps that the soviets joined the war the same year as the americans, giving us that "oh, well see how good they're doing now! It's because of us!" feeling.

I mean, the pacific was mainly americans, but the war in Europe is what really mattered anyway. Americans HELPED, no doubt, but to say that we were the main part in bringing down the nazis is pretty much false.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Now it?s a common fact that the American army came to aid the allied forces engaged across Europe.
However Americans believed this meant they single handily turned the tide of the war and ?won it?.

How much do you think Americans are bias about their engagement in World War 2?

Personally being English I feel their involvement was instrumental in ending the war a lot quicker but I think the true praise belongs to British and Canadians, but more so the French, those who faught the war from the bloody begining to the bloody end. Their country is a living memento to the fallen, all over and I mean all over France you can find graveyards and a memorials to all the men whom fought and died in that horrendous war.

I appologise for posting within the incorrect threat catagorey

It's no illusion, it's no disillusion it's FACT America won that war.

It's so much of a fact, that every documentary and history book ever made (outside of America) fail to realise it.
/Sarcasm

The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison. Check it out

1 book versus all the others? Think I'll place my bet on the majority.

 

[Ninjamedic]

Snip

On that logic I could Also say that the other Neutral countries (Ireland) were integral to the allies success too. The Brits also supplied the Russians too.

 

[flaming_squirrel]

and droped the bomb on hiroshima. I not saying the last thing was a good thing but america did sorta end the war in europe and asia.

Being proud of one of humanities greatest attrocities against civilians is probably not a good thing.

I see you took the liberty of cutting out the sentence were I said that the bomb was not a good thing, but dont worry I'll put it back for you

Sorry I was using the American method of referencing.

 

[Merkavar]

the thing about ww2 i dont get is that the US only declared war on germany and japan in 1941 after they were actually attacked. ww2 started in 1939, did the americans help at all before 1941 or were they just twiddling their thumbs while britain and the rest of the world fought each other?

 

[PeePantz]

let begin by saying this: i am american, let me continue by saying im an avid history buff and hope one day to make my living as a history teacher (the joke being i want to make a living as a teacher) and i can say from a future-proffesional view that while americans did play a huge part in the war, by no means were we big immortal badasses who one the war on their own adn with no help from others, just as americans we are only shown things we are interested in and most people believe we are not interested in others being the heroes....so most war movies only show maericans and therefor we believe that we did everything. really, in the next ten seconds name one other world war 2 movie that doesent feature americans as the main character....thats right only Enemy at the Gate.

For some reason I don't see teaching as a future career........

 

[darth gditch]

Now it?s a common fact that the American army came to aid the allied forces engaged across Europe.
However Americans believed this meant they single handily turned the tide of the war and ?won it?.

How much do you think Americans are bias about their engagement in World War 2?

Personally being English I feel their involvement was instrumental in ending the war a lot quicker but I think the true praise belongs to British and Canadians, but more so the French, those who faught the war from the bloody begining to the bloody end. Their country is a living memento to the fallen, all over and I mean all over France you can find graveyards and a memorials to all the men whom fought and died in that horrendous war.

I appologise for posting within the incorrect threat catagorey

Well, I'm an American and I don't think America single-handedly "won" the war. Hell no.

So you're generalizing by saying "Americans" and implying most of us think this.

But we did bankroll the allied powers with Lend-Lease and provided the bulk of the war material. In addition, America did fight the bulk of the war in the pacific.

 

[archvile93]

I think the true praise lies with the Soviets....you don't have to like the leadership, but they are perhaps the only reason the war fought by the Western Allies could be won.

EDIT: They also suffered the greatest casualties by a long way. To my mind, they've earned the credit.

Not really; the only reason they Soviets got involved was because Hitler was arrogant to enough to believe he could take them on when he broke the pact he and Stalin made not to attack each other.

OT: There is not real issue of who did what with WW2; everyone contributed in some way or another, and that is what makes it such an emotional subject; it was the world rising up to reject the Nazi ideals, not a simple case of oil money.

Actually he probably could've. Luckily Hitler decided to meddle in his generals' plans and screw everything up.

Personally, I think the two most important nations in WWII were the US and the Soviet Union. The red army was instramental in dividing German forces and their numbers even on their own and poorly equipped were a massive asset, and the US for producing war materials and sending in a good numbers of fresh troops. If my history is correct though, weren't the French national army (not the guerilla resistance) next to useless since they were the second to surrender (after Poland, though I'm not sure that's considered part of WWII, and they had to deal with the Soviets at the same time) and by the time the US got involved the British had been pushed back to the mainland and were getting bombed heavily by the Luffwaffa (spelling?), I think they were still fighting Africa though too. At any rate, overall it was a combined effort.

 

[Spygon]

All sides played there part and i dont who you are but your gunna be slighty biased towards your own country.

America supplied the british with alot of hardware during the frist couple of years and also with out them the liberation of europe would have been alot longer and messier.They also fought the japanese

Britian at one point was the only "super power" facing germany they defeated axis forces in north africa cutting oil supplies from the axis in europe.Also withstanding the blitz for years and then beating luftwaffe at the battle of britian ensuring allied air supremcy so planes could fly over the channel to support the forces fighting in europe.

Soviets held the axis eastern front pushing them out of eastern europe and killed a large number of axis forces in europe and managed to push the axis out of eastern europe mostly on there own.They also more men on the in Germany at the end of the liberation the reason why they were given the go ahead to attack Berlin.

Canadians,New zealand,Australia,india and other commonwealth countries sent large armies to help fight with the British army during alot of the war.

France helped fight with the allies in the liberation of europe and also had a very vital reistance while occupied.

China fought against japan advances into asia that put alot of hurt and slowed the japanese down.

So as you can see everyone had major role to play and if any country wasnt involved to war would have been a completly different and alot harder on the rest of countries fighting.Also really why are we still talking about this my country is better than yours in a war that happened now 70 years ago.I am not saying forget the war as everybody who fought and fell should be remebered and that we can hopefully learn from our mistakes to stop it happening again.But its a war that no one here i am sure was directly involed so still going on who did what is embrassing now as it part of history now and we should get on with our lifes.

 

[Ninjamedic]

It's no illusion, it's no disillusion it's FACT America won that war.

North Africa mate. The first allied victory was when the Brits beat the Italians and then the Germans. Eisenhower then came along to assist the killing blow.

We weren't going to disintegrate, without the US.

North America, but not into Germany. sure there were bombing raids but any success in making it into Germany? Also need i be reminded of Montgomery?

Need I also be reminded that the failure to take Antwerp initially was based on circumstance as opposed to inferior strategy?
And on the Pacific, the Royal Navy was fighting the U-boats in the Atlantic and defending British-controlled Asia.

 

[SodaDew]

I'm a American and your right we didn't win it by our self. It was a combined effort of the Allies. All the US did was build up a big army to come and join force with Europe in the war. No single country deserves credit for...

 

[darth gditch]

the thing about ww2 i dont like is that the US only declared war on germany and japan in 1941 after they were actually attacked. ww2 started in 1939, did the americans help at all before 1941 or were they just twiddling their thumbs while britain and the rest of the world fought each other?

No. Volunteer U.S. air regiments fought for Britain and for the Chinese early in the war. While not officially part of the U.S. military, these forces were American. Also, the U.S. was supplying Britain and later the U.S.S.R. with war material (raw materials, planes, tanks, ammo) and money through Lend-Lease.