Poll: American?s disillusion with WW2

[WOPR]

Damn there sure is a fair amount of America bashing on this site. Ya know, Americans don't spend time bashing Australia or Russia or Canada, etc...

Umm... I'm sorry but, do you LIVE here?!

Sure there's nothing about Australia, but I can't go through a single day without hearing something about Russia sucking.

And there's always someone making fun of Canada, but that's more like once a week then two-three times a day

 

[Dana22]

They havent won War by themselves,

The Soviets took the East and the rest of the Allies, took the east. We believe we were essential because that's what we're mostly taught, U.S. history.

The Soviets TOOK east and rest of the Allies, LIBERATED the west.

 

[Tranka Verrane]

Poll: How sick are you of polls where they don't post a damn poll?

 

[Cryo84R]

Fun fact about the russian army in WW2 is that they used a great deal of american made supplies, from boots to food to vehicles. Americas largest contribution to the war is undoubtedly her unprecedented ability to turn out epic amounts of material quickly. Hell, we built destroyers from the keel up in 3 days.

Anyone who tries to diminish anyones role in the victory of WW2 is, simply, a bigot.

Lots of american hating bigots on this site.

 

[indiangrunt91]

Actually the credit should go the Russians who actually won the war and lost millions of lives doing it

 

[Warforger]

You should all be ashamed for valuing the contribution of a war that happened 70 years ago,

I think the true praise lies with the Soviets....you don't have to like the leadership, but they are perhaps the only reason the war fought by the Western Allies could be won.

EDIT: They also suffered the greatest casualties by a long way. To my mind, they've earned the credit.

Thats because they had shit generals for having such a high casualty count, Zhukov was almost as ruthless as Stalin because he didn't give a shit how many people died, and the Southern general was looked down upon because he didn't advance as far as Zhukov did, even though he was trying to save lives. It was Stalin's fault for executing his best commanders right before WWII and replacing them with these inexperienced ones, so I doubt they really should be given such credit.

This is comparable to Conrad the commander of the Austrian army in WWI, he had great plans which didn't think of the terrain and he wasted so many lives that he crippled the Austrian military and let the Germans take even more credit for saving their ass. Coincidentally he was a brilliant general to some aspiring Soviet commanders, funny how things turned out.

 

[WOPR]

Now it?s a common fact that the American army came to aid the allied forces engaged across Europe.
However Americans believed this meant they single handily turned the tide of the war and ?won it?.

How much do you think Americans are bias about their engagement in World War 2?

Personally being English I feel their involvement was instrumental in ending the war a lot quicker but I think the true praise belongs to British and Canadians, but more so the French, those who faught the war from the bloody begining to the bloody end. Their country is a living memento to the fallen, all over and I mean all over France you can find graveyards and a memorials to all the men whom fought and died in that horrendous war.

I appologise for posting within the incorrect threat catagorey

Hrr, Im British myself and believe me, I know exactly what you are talking about...but I seriously suggest you stick 'some Americans', because put it simply, not all Americans think that, just the simple minded few.

I'm American, and in response (I live in Northern California for the record)

It's the simple-minded MANY
not the simple minded few

but yes I agree that it shouldn't be so sweeping and generalizing

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Just bring up Vietnam. That usually shuts them up.

And then I can bring this up.

Anyway, everyone knows it was the Greeks who won the war for the allies. We watched out for planes with binoculars and warned you guys, son.

Difference being, Britian doesn't pretend that that is has the best war K/D ratio the way America does.

 

[WOPR]

Poll: How sick are you of polls where they don't post a damn poll?

I made that Poll; it was 78% tired of it, 2% like these, 20% don't care

 

[Dimensional Vortex]

Where is the mention of Australia, we were brave too!?!

Also I hear the whole thing that "America saved everyones ass in WW2" I honestly don't think America should be bragging about that, they put off their involvement in the war for so long when they did finally help a ton of people were already dead.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

Cause we DID win it. Britain would have feel hard if we had not aided. Japan would have taken over all of China, and Germany would have beaten Russia. The non blissful ignorance in your statement is unsupported and downright silly. I offer you proof America won the war with trade and skill.

Spoiler: proof

Russia didn't win the war in Europe..-- Not tactically or militarily. They just did the dying in the East while the Western Front did the real damage.
Via Lend-Lease Act is was because of the US the USSR was even ABLE to fight:
USA gave USSR:
80% of all canned meat.
92% of all railroad locomotives, rolling stock and rails.
57% of all aviation fuel.
53% of all explosives.
74% of all truck transport.
88% of all radio equipment.
53% of all copper.
56% of all aluminum.
70% of all automotive fuel.
74% of all vehicle tires.
32% of all armored vehicles.
44% of all combat aircraft
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Russians should count their lucky stars because of U.S and U.K. bombing runs--
Perhaps you do not understand that nearly 2 million men were involved in the defense of the Reich against the USA and UK strategic bomber offensive?
75% of the Luftwaffe fighter arm was tied down defending German industry.
40% of all artillery ammunition was allocated to anti-air defense of Germany.
As a result of bombing, the Germans produced 55% less armor than they projected. 41% fewer aircraft (82% of that were fighters) and over 40% fewer trucks.
The Soviet Union began the war as an ALLY of Germany. They signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact on 2 August 1939 which green-lighted Germany's attack on Poland, and then invaded Poland in concert with Germany. The USSR then continued to sell Nazi Germany lots of nice resources, including the oil the Nazis desperately needed, right up until 22 June 1941.
In 1939, the USSR was one of the "criminals". The fact that they "turned state's evidence" in June 1941 and suffered horrendous casualties doesn't obviate the fact that they were NAZI ALLIES for 21 months.
Source: The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison, Cambridge University Press (1998)

Also who won the battle in the Pacific hmmmmm could it be the people with the A bomb? Yes, AMERICA WON WW2. No matter how hard you try to deny it we won it.

 

[Ninjamedic]

Does Europe not teach about the Pacific Campaign in their schools?

In great Detail.

It's interesting how...the most vocal individuals from said regions, tend to think WW2 existed solely in Europe. But, I'll take your word for it. Have no reason to believe the rejects on this forum are any indication of the English/European majority.

I am actually writing an essay on the most decisive move the allies ever made.
Operation Bagration, the Campaign which destroyed the german's offensive capability.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

You seem to have a lot of illusions yourself of Britains importance in the war. The true praise belongs to the russians who killed over 70% of german forces, and where the ones to invade Berlin.

Thanks to American trade. Check out the book "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison" and "Cross of Iron"

 

[flaming_squirrel]

On an interesting and somewhat related note, post war a bunch of British and German generals got together and staged war games of the potential invasion of Britain had things ended differently. They came to the conclusion that Germany would have never managed to take the whole country, the defensive line along the length of England was simply too strong.


On topic: Medal of honor, that is all.

Yes, AMERICA WON WW2. No matter how hard you try to deny it we won it.

GAWD BLESS AMERICAAA! Congratulations on fulfilling many stereotypes, have a big shiny stars and stripes medal.

 

[zombie711]

This thread is kinda biest, seriously though give credit were credit is due. america was the one who marched on up to the eagles nest, and droped the bomb on hiroshima. I not saying the last thing was a good thing but america did sorta end the war in europe and asia. Can you honestly say you would be happy if america kept to themselves during world war 2?

 

[jbchillin]

did america single handedly beat the nazis no. were they a huge element to the victory yes. when Berlin fell the two main armies there were the Russians and Americans. Another factor in WW2 was the far eastern front. The Americans were the main ones fighting the Japanese

 

[BlumiereBleck]

Now it?s a common fact that the American army came to aid the allied forces engaged across Europe.
However Americans believed this meant they single handily turned the tide of the war and ?won it?.

How much do you think Americans are bias about their engagement in World War 2?

Personally being English I feel their involvement was instrumental in ending the war a lot quicker but I think the true praise belongs to British and Canadians, but more so the French, those who faught the war from the bloody begining to the bloody end. Their country is a living memento to the fallen, all over and I mean all over France you can find graveyards and a memorials to all the men whom fought and died in that horrendous war.

I appologise for posting within the incorrect threat catagorey

It's no illusion, it's no disillusion it's FACT America won that war.

 

[flaming_squirrel]

and droped the bomb on hiroshima

Being proud of one of humanities greatest attrocities against civilians is probably not a good thing.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Now it?s a common fact that the American army came to aid the allied forces engaged across Europe.
However Americans believed this meant they single handily turned the tide of the war and ?won it?.

How much do you think Americans are bias about their engagement in World War 2?

Personally being English I feel their involvement was instrumental in ending the war a lot quicker but I think the true praise belongs to British and Canadians, but more so the French, those who faught the war from the bloody begining to the bloody end. Their country is a living memento to the fallen, all over and I mean all over France you can find graveyards and a memorials to all the men whom fought and died in that horrendous war.

I appologise for posting within the incorrect threat catagorey

It's no illusion, it's no disillusion it's FACT America won that war.

It's so much of a fact, that every documentary and history book ever made (outside of America) fail to realise it.
/Sarcasm

 

[Ninjamedic]

It's no illusion, it's no disillusion it's FACT America won that war.

North Africa mate. The first allied victory was when the Brits beat the Italians and then the Germans. Eisenhower then came along to assist the killing blow.

We weren't going to disintegrate, without the US.