That's exactly the point I'm getting at. A party should not be generalized because of people on the higher end of the political spectrum. Each to his own opinion, though.Ekit said:
Poll: American sentiment
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Aw, shucks. *blushes*harmonic said:
It's just kind of sad, all this arbitrary hate. People like to group other people together and hate them. Mankind has been doing it since, like, ever. The truth is much more difficult: the people worthy of your hate are not as easily defined as "all the blacks/all the French/ all the Israelis/ all the whites/ all the Americans".
Jackasses are everywhere.
I don't know what's worst, the anti americanism mass generalization or the pro americanism "ppl hate us cuz they wanna be us" (so also a generalization), both usually backed by evidental anectodotes presented as fact that can easily be countered by other anectdotes,incomplete truths whose validity is foiled due to lack of context or just views held up by really particular world views.
Either way, your message is true ^^
I honestly wasn't sure which countries you were referring at first until I saw "republican" and figured you likely weren't referring to a republican party based in a european country (we seem to prefer the terms left vs right overall).Mcupobob said:
Either way, your message is true ^^
Depends on where you are. I was born and raised in the rural Midwest and people were fairly religious and ignorant of the world. Then I moved to a larger city in my state and things were much different, more varieties of peoples, cultures, and opinions/beliefs. Saying that most or many Americans are willfully ignorant or stupid, as your footnotes are implying, seems to suggest a strong generalization against 310 million people who live in many different areas with a multitude of lifestyles and beliefs. I'm not sure even personal experiences of yours would qualify as sturdy evidence since there may be a firmly held confirmation bias about America/Americans in your world perception.ciortas1 said:
There are stupid and ignorant people everywhere. Perhaps ours gets more media coverage in an attempt to increase drama for more views, or maybe it is more noticeable on the world stage due to a greater interest in the news of the United States for political and economical purposes. Just a few ideas I am throwing out. I would like to think my understanding of the world is more accurate due to my time traveling this country and abroad, however I may be just as prone to petty biases as the next person.
... No, we joined WWII because of Pearl Harbor. You're thinking of WWI. And also, it wasn't a Nazi submarine, it was a German submarine. Nazis and Germans are not synonymous.Crazy_Dude said:
P.S When you want to call a country stupid it helps if you use basic grammar in said insult. Just a thought.
Well I hate most off the people and the system. I am an American. But quite frankly, all systems are broken, this world is a giant ball of shit and I'm still confused as to how these forums continue coming up. I'm aware that this forum is multi-national, but I would still like some sort of...... logical guideline to the forums.
For instance, why is it okay to espouse mindless hateful gibberish like some anti-american pseudo-nazi but sexual jokes and references are wrong. The mods are strict enough to warn you when your post is too short, but they're too busy to sensibly remove threads that will yield NO SENSIBLE RESULTS.
And EVERYONE has a holier-than-thou stick up their ass concerning piracy being the cardinal sin of the internet, but mindless hatred and closed-minded assumptions pass without a second glance.
So thank you Maraveno for you are CLEARLY a MASTER of the same acceptance that you accuse Americans of not having.
For instance, why is it okay to espouse mindless hateful gibberish like some anti-american pseudo-nazi but sexual jokes and references are wrong. The mods are strict enough to warn you when your post is too short, but they're too busy to sensibly remove threads that will yield NO SENSIBLE RESULTS.
And EVERYONE has a holier-than-thou stick up their ass concerning piracy being the cardinal sin of the internet, but mindless hatred and closed-minded assumptions pass without a second glance.
So thank you Maraveno for you are CLEARLY a MASTER of the same acceptance that you accuse Americans of not having.
Honestly, it's hard not to hate them when you only see the bad on TV, the internet, ect. Luckily for me I've been there many times and I've seen the good.Xpwn3ntial said:
Still, some people are just so ignorant and they seem to enjoy it... /rage
As for the system: It would work if the politicians didn't suck so much.
I'm an American and quite frankly, i'm not a big fan of my countrymen or our system. In fact, i'd go so far as to say i hate them both. But one does not choice his country of birth, so i'm stuck with America for the time being. That said, i'm not about to emigrate. As fucked up as the US is, it's not so bad that it can't be fixed.
What really gets me are the people. Everything you have heard about us is true. We are generally fat, ignorant, arrogant, ambitious (to a fault), and fairly xenophobic. Nothing for that, tho. And i'm sure that other countries are just as bad, if not worse in some cases.
What really gets me are the people. Everything you have heard about us is true. We are generally fat, ignorant, arrogant, ambitious (to a fault), and fairly xenophobic. Nothing for that, tho. And i'm sure that other countries are just as bad, if not worse in some cases.
I think our corporatist system that blocks needed reform after needed reform is fucking stupid but I rarely meet anyone who isn't nice to me.
I can't hate the people as a whole because i have yet to meet them all. Although i do dislike a rather large number of them.
As for americas political system and atmosphere, i despise it. I lack the vocabulary to properly express my distaste for it.
As for americas political system and atmosphere, i despise it. I lack the vocabulary to properly express my distaste for it.
Being American, I'm somewhat biased on the issue. I like the people and I can't think of a better system, but I know ours has its flaws. I'd say that the system works fairly well, but it's the politicians that muck it up, as it were.
Sure, we could probably update the system a little, and I know some changes I would make, but that's because of my views of state rights/federal government. If we could agree on what changes we wanted to make, it would probably work better, but considering that most Americans probably couldn't tell you how many stripes are on the flag, let alone the firt thing about how the country is run, such changes would be made by what a lot of people view as the "ruling elite" and, as such, would rail against it, even if it might be in their best interest.
Oh, the irony.
Sure, we could probably update the system a little, and I know some changes I would make, but that's because of my views of state rights/federal government. If we could agree on what changes we wanted to make, it would probably work better, but considering that most Americans probably couldn't tell you how many stripes are on the flag, let alone the firt thing about how the country is run, such changes would be made by what a lot of people view as the "ruling elite" and, as such, would rail against it, even if it might be in their best interest.
Oh, the irony.
The south has been a bit odd since the beginning, and I doubt they'll give it up as easily as they have other things. Though, I don't believe he specifically means we need more jerks, but kind simpletons.TheRightToArmBears said:
Anyways, on topic, I kind of grow tired when it comes to conversations about the people of the United Sates. Of course there are intolerant idiots, but those exist everywhere. I guess they're just more noticeable as they are more likely to express their silly opinions. Saying that that you "don't hate all of them" is kind of pathetic. It acknowledges that the assumption most of them are idiotic bigots is unsound. Could I specifically name a few who are? Being a citizen, of course.
In terms of the system, it's a bit messed up. Though, it's always been that way. It can be fixed.
I can understand the opinion held of the overly patriotic. I can't say I can stand them. However, I dislike the citizens who outright hate the country even more. I understand the difference between disagreeing and hating, but I can't understand the hate. To quote a history teacher of mine, "When a child acts inappropriately, you don't stop loving it. You correct it's behavior."
Tl;dr
People are okay, system can be fixed.
You freely note that it's late. So, please, step back and just stop. Out of all the stuff you could have pointed out in his quote, you instead want him to be more specific with his math? That's just silly. Focus more on the actual quote than just the math, as 80% of statistics are made up on the spot and his is no different. (See what I did there?) Really, there's no need to go on a math rant.Ekit said:You do realize that you being able to change your leadership has nothing to do with you being a republic? I live in Sweden and we're a monarchy and we can also change our leadership every four years. I think the word you're looking for is democracy.CanHasDIY said:As for our political system, yea, it has some serious flaws, but all-in-all we Americans still enjoy far more freedom.than probably 99% of the rest of Earths populations. Every government, especially one of significant size, has a corruption problem; at least in America, thanks to our being a constitutional republic, we have an opportunity to change our leadership every few years. I will concede.that the 'bipartisan' system tends to give credence to extremists morsel than is prudent.fundayz said:
So go ahead, piss and moan about how horrible people you've never met are, and I'll continue enjoying life in the most free nation on the planet
Speaking of jumping to conclusions about people you've never met:
How exactly do you measure freedom?
And "99% of the rest of Earths populations"? What the fuck does that mean??? Are you implying that America makes up 1% of the worlds population?
As you stated yourself America has around 300,000,000 inhabitants. Earth's population is about
6 900,000,000.
100(300,000,000/6 9,000,000,000) ≈ 4,4
So according to this calculation the American people make up about 4% of the worlds population. Not 1%. Unless you meant that only part of the American people had freedom, which would make it strange of you to defend a nation on the basis that a minority of it's inhabitants were free.
But maybe you meant that 99% of the rest of Earths nations were less free than United States? That would mean that there are 100 nations total on Earth. And there isn't. There are 193 nations on Earth that are internationally recognized. So...
What the fuck are you talking about? Please explain.
Note: It's late and I calculated on my phone so I could have gotten it wrong
Oh, and Sweden is a constitutional monarchy, which means that your king/queen can only do what they're allowed to do. In other words, thinking that Sweden is an actual monarchy is a load of bullocks because the monarch has no real power. Sweden is really a parliamentary democracy.
OT: I prefer to judge on an individual basis for people, but as for the system, it pisses me off a lot. Congress can rarely get its head out of its own ass long enough to actually get something done.
And I'm getting pissed off at Captcha. Captcha has diacritics now? What the hell?
That's not egocentric, that's political realism. America didn't get involved in WWII at first because the bad guys were across a bunch of oceans. Europe got involved because the Nazis were threatening their shit. If those European powers didn't have to fear invasion or loss of their economic interests, I guarantee you that they would have done exactly what America did. America isn't selfish, PEOPLE are selfish.Crazy_Dude said:
I honestly don't know of any system that's really working out to everyone's satisfaction... the people seem decent overall, I know some good people but mostly it seems like pushy people with silly beliefs give a bad name to the general populace.