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CanHasDIY

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Ekit said:
CanHasDIY said:
fundayz said:
Dislike the people and the system. Now, there are lots of great American people but ON AVERAGE their population is waaay too ignorant. This is reflected in their government as well; corruption is rampant and many of their leaders choose inappropriate (re)actions out of ignorance or selfishness.

America has been on a downward slope for almost a decade, and unless the people and government are willing to admit that their own actions are causing their(and others') problems this trend is likely to continue.


Edit: Almost forgot about their freaking self-entitlement
As for our political system, yea, it has some serious flaws, but all-in-all we Americans still enjoy far more freedom.than probably 99% of the rest of Earths populations. Every government, especially one of significant size, has a corruption problem; at least in America, thanks to our being a constitutional republic, we have an opportunity to change our leadership every few years. I will concede.that the 'bipartisan' system tends to give credence to extremists morsel than is prudent.

So go ahead, piss and moan about how horrible people you've never met are, and I'll continue enjoying life in the most free nation on the planet ;)
You do realize that you being able to change your leadership has nothing to do with you being a republic? I live in Sweden and we're a monarchy and we can also change our leadership every four years. I think the word you're looking for is democracy.

Speaking of jumping to conclusions about people you've never met:
we Americans still enjoy far more freedom than probably 99% of the rest of Earths populations.
How exactly do you measure freedom?

And "99% of the rest of Earths populations"? What the fuck does that mean??? Are you implying that America makes up 1% of the worlds population?

As you stated yourself America has around 300,000,000 inhabitants. Earth's population is about
6 900,000,000.

100(300,000,000/6 9,000,000,000) ≈ 4,4

So according to this calculation the American people make up about 4% of the worlds population. Not 1%. Unless you meant that only part of the American people had freedom, which would make it strange of you to defend a nation on the basis that a minority of it's inhabitants were free.

But maybe you meant that 99% of the rest of Earths nations were less free than United States? That would mean that there are 100 nations total on Earth. And there isn't. There are 193 nations on Earth that are internationally recognized. So...

What the fuck are you talking about? Please explain.

Note: It's late and I calculated on my phone so I could have gotten it wrong
Glad to see I'm not the only one who gets bent out of shape when people who have no idea what the fuck they're talking about start to diss on you and yours.

I hope this was a learning experience.
 

Dr Snakeman

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America is dipshit. The only reason they even came to help us in WWII was because a Nazi Submarine was stupid enough to attack one of their vessels. And they were pissed as hell about that.

But before that they didnt care at all. Sounds pretty egocentric to me.
What? We got into WW2 because Japan bombed the shit out of Pearl Harbor, and because Japan, Italy, and Germany had a military agreement, they then declared war on us after we declared it on Japan.
Yeah, well, this guy clearly knows nothing about history and just wants to agitate folks. Move along.

I like this country. Built on democratic principles, benevolent (if a little condescending) towards other nations, and full of just as many intelligent, good people as idiots.

I'm curious, though: what, exactly, is our "system"? Like, our system of government? Our attitude towards international relations? Because those have their flaws, sure, but to "hate" that is pretty extreme.
 
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Apart from being the self proclaimed 'World Police', (seriously, America, nobody is out to get you, you've never been invaded, stop being so fucking paranoid) I'm sure there are plenty of lovely people. Although their ignorance does seem to shine through sometimes...


I'm sure those responses were cherry picked, but damn.

So, the people are fine, but I'm not really fond of how hypocritical your government is (I especially hate the lack of social healthcare).
 

bl4ckh4wk64

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As an American, I dislike both the people and the system. However, we're a lot better than some other countries.
 

Wakefield

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Some Americans are ignorant but that's true of any country. I find it hard to dislike a people as a whole because that's extremely narrow minded. So I'm going with Like the People dislike the system. Because the system is incredibly broken.
 

Dr Snakeman

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I like people in general, but I do indeed dislike the American system. Unfortunately, this will in turn means I will end up disliking a fair share of American people even when I really don't want to become the stereotype 'American-hating Brit'.
Did not realize there was a stereotype of the American hating Brit. Then again my uncle in law, who I view as a blood relative, is British, so I have had nothing but positive experiences with them.
Not really "American-hating Brit"; more like "American-hating European". And yeah, that stereotype exists. It isn't just a stereotype, either, as evidenced by how many people on this very thread seem to despise America for no other reason than that they feel like they are supposed to.

I'm not going to let it get me down, though.
 

Honkmahfah

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Maraveno said:
okay you've got me : IF YOU'RE NOT A DEMOCRACY, why do you insist on bringing democracy to other nations?

[sub]the caps thing was cuz most people seem to misunderstand me a lot so I thought "heck make clear what you're on about"[/sub]
You got me m8. Personally, I couldn't tell you why. I don't insist on it. I have yet to meet another American who DID insist that we go to other places and tell them how to run their shit. I would prefer we didn't. Let everyone else have the system that they are willing to live with.

*Edited to add my personal guess. Democracy is an easier sound bite than Constitutional Republic.
 

RedEyesBlackGamer

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Maraveno said:
I've never met an american who was not Either religically or historically Ignorant as fuck
Never met one that wasn't patriotic as fuck
Never met one that could tell me where either my country of origin or country where I'm living were on a map, bar tell me at all (Yeah sure Iceland-Ireland what's the difference, and Amsterdam is a country right ofcourse it is)

oh and I've never met one not even on this forum who could win a discussion based on facts, but that might be due to the system teaching you nothing but gibberish (Religion/History/Guns/Sports/War discussions that is)


Actually Even the koreans I've met in life were more accurate in these things


Sorry I hate the system I hate most of the people there's good people there too I'm of the sincere belief there's some proper guys of you out there

PS : IQ goes like this
You're American -10 points
You're white -1
You're American white and christian -50 points

"Ignorance is bliss" should be the new american motto
Just wanted to point out that the Intelligence Quotient has nothing to do with intelligence. Insulting the population of an entire country is fun! Generalizations based on anecdotal evidence, ftw!
 

turbo4400

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I didn't read them all but it looks like a lot of people seem to think there is a major proportion of Americans that are crazy. To those people i would say that there are as many crazy people in America as there are terrorists in the middle-east. It is the theory of the loud minority where a group of people seem larger than they really are because they make so much news. And anyway the person most responsible for the worst parts of American society is actually Australian if that matters.
 

RedEyesBlackGamer

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Maraveno said:
joebear15 said:
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Maraveno said:
joebear15 said:
Maraveno said:
I've never met an american who was not Either religically or historically Ignorant as fuck
Never met one that wasn't patriotic as fuck
Never met one that could tell me where either my country of origin or country where I'm living were on a map, bar tell me at all (Yeah sure Iceland-Ireland what's the difference, and Amsterdam is a country right ofcourse it is)

oh and I've never met one not even on this forum who could win a discussion based on facts, but that might be due to the system teaching you nothing but gibberish


Actually Even the koreans I met were more accurate in these things


Sorry I hate the system I hate most of the people there's good people there too I'm of the sincere belief there's some proper guys of you out there

PS : IQ goes like this
You're American -10 points
You're white -1
You're American white and christian -50 points

"Ignorance is bliss" should be the new american motto
thank you for proving one of my earlier points I believe you have helped the anti American side take a big leap towards the bottom congratulations
May I point out that I've come across about say 100's of americans in life and I can only base my fact on them, the news and social media?

You allready empower my arbitrary point by trying to pull my leg without even putting an argumentation to your post

the PS thing was a joke btw

and I never said ALL before you throw that bucket at my head , why am I saying that in advance cause yes I'm biased and I expect you to throw that into your next quote immediately , you read my post so you must understand but I get the feeling here you only skimmed it and read the PS part and just went on with your own plummet down the hole of this discussion


TL:DR

You just fell down yourself
it doesn't matter that you did not say all, very few people say ALL for anything but you did say most and with your stated limited experience went on an anti American rant thus proving my earlier point. why would I waste my time breaking down why what you were saying was a dumb sweeping generalization where it should be obvious to anyone whose following this discussion.
It's not a sweeping generalization because meeting people as a foreigner would be the same as taking a poll, say I met a 1000 americans in my life and based my opinion on that it would be the same as talking to 200 people in a north east 200 in a north west 200 in a south east 200 in a south west town and 200 in washington and basing my opinions on that

or are you saying the way that all "public opinion" polls are done is ridiculously biased too?
THEY ARE. The way the questions are phrased could lead to a bias, who actually answers produces a bias, the way they collected their sample has a bias, etc.
 

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Canid117 said:
ciortas1 said:
Hate the people, hate the system. The people because of their *cough* beliefs, wilful ignorance and sometimes outright stupidity, and the system, well, lobbyists, business interests and such are what's wrong.
America hates you back

way to call Americans stupid while misspelling will on a forum with spell check by the way.
You sir, are my hero. Ever since my probation I'm afraid if I dare step on anyone's toes I might get suspended. +1 to you.

OT: Are you fucking serious? 100 people are ignorant enough to say they hate a group of people they only know through their own media? The Escapist is clearly the last bastion of intelligence on the internet -scoff-.
 

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harmonic said:
Other.

Like the people for the most part, except for the general laziness, fiscal irresponsibility, and anti-intellectualism sometimes seen here.

Dislike the system as it has evolved. Founding ideas were perfect.

I will say that I'm glad I was born here in America. I've been to Britain, Germany, Italy, Bahamas, Peru, Argentina, and Japan, and in my experience, the USA is the best place to live. We're law-abiding, generally polite, everything in America is huge and wide open, everything in America is ultra-convenient. Party on.

For all those saying "America sucks they're so selfish they only went to war cuz of a submarine blah blah blah": Some folks need to do some real research on history, society and culture before spouting off these hateful, and ignorant remarks. Most Europeans I personally know have a great respect for their close allies in America, and for good reason. We cover your whole continent with our military and political clout so you can afford all those fancy health care systems (that you can't actually afford.) Don't bite that hand that feeds you.
I totally agree with you.

My uncle found out the real reason people in other countries harp on the US. It is because they are jealous and want to live here. My uncle use to go on a ton o business trips to many places in Europe, Germany, Italy, and Switzerland to name a few. He would hear many people he worked with over there bashing the US. He was pretty well acquainted with the people he worked with over there and every once in awhile he would hear about when one of them would retire. Guess where they retired? Oh wow could it be, they retired in the US, well why the hell would they retire in a place they said they hate?

He asked these people after they retired. They told him that the majority of US bashing that people do in Europe is just bluster and fake-ness. In reality, they love the US and want to live here.

But with the crap that has been going on here, with Obama trying to turn this country into a carbon copy crap hole of a system like other European countries.

Obama Socialist Idealists: We need a National Health Care system hurp-dee-durp.

Me: No, we can't do that because it is an even worse and flawed system than the one we have and can't be implemented because we don't have the money to fund covering everybody.

OSI: Huuurp-dee-duurp. We can borrow more money from people/countries. We also have a printing machine, huurp huurp; we'll use it to print more money, duurp duurp. Oh and we can change the tax system so that we can take more money from the rich and spread the wealth around, huurp-deeeee-durp.
Me: You do realize what you are doing with the first two things is going to collapse the economic system. Eventually the people we are borrowing from are going to come an collect and they aren't going to accept that worthless paper you are printing.
OSI: Duuurrrp, they will never collect.
Me: Why is that?
OSI: Because.
Me: That's not an answer. Again why?
OSI: Because they won't.
Me: Yes they will, and you are just ignoring it.
OSI: They won't because it will hurt them as well.
Me: Not if they demand land and other goods that can be substituted for this fake money we are printing.
OSI: Huuurp, they can't do that because they can't ask for those things.
Me: Whatever, nevermind, you are just thick. Oh and onto the taxes thing. Yeah, that is called forced charity, and besides, you can't tax certain people more because that is unfair and is against what this country stands for. If there is to be taxes in this country, people are to be taxed an even percentage. With an even percentage, the rich will be paying more but it is fair because it is equal when comparing the amount of income. By the way, what do you consider to be rich?
OSI: Huuuurp-deee-duuurp, if a person makes at least 250,000 dollars a year, they are rich.
Me: Uh, nope. You do realize that in major cities 250,000 dollars a year is barely middle of the middle class, plus in most other areas it is just barely upper middle class.
OSI: Huuurp, $250,000 is a lot of money no matter where you live, duuuurp.
Me: Forget it, you are impossible. You just want to give money to people that don't do crap for it so that you can get re-elected and run this country even further into the ground. Hopefully people actually think correctly for a change and vote people like you out come election day.
OSI in their heads: Huuuuuuurp, drat he's onto our master plan. Let's run a nasty smear campaign of lies against people like him, that will make the blinder-wearing and uneducated people think that people like him hate the poor and want all the sick people to die.
 

Redlin5_v1legacy

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I like the people, hate the system. I am soooooo glad I live in Canada.

[sub][sub]And yes, I do have a reason. Remember Laos? That small country that wasn't at war with America yet was bombed more heavily than Germany during WWII? That's something you should know about.[/sub][/sub]
 

RatRace123

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harmonic said:
Dr Snakeman said:
Not really "American-hating Brit"; more like "American-hating European". And yeah, that stereotype exists. It isn't just a stereotype, either, as evidenced by how many people on this very thread seem to despise America for no other reason than that they feel like they are supposed to.

I'm not going to let it get me down, though.
Well said.

I've never seen a better use of that phrase: "haters gonna hate." Normally it means nothing in its usual context, but in this case, it applies perfectly to the anti-american mindset here. Arbitrary. Trendy.
That's a great way to put it. There doesn't seem to be any logical reason for the hate, not hating all the people here, or even most. Disliking a few, the tiny amount of our large populace, that makes sense. Claiming to hate all or most of us, not so much.
Guess they just gotta hate.
 

Seraniel

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i VOTED!: other!
i like SOME of the people and i like some of the systhem and i like SOME of the founding ideas.
note i dont realy hate anything about america because for me to hate something/someone it would have to get personal. cant realy say it is close to it.

though i still think that land of freedom was the biggest stretch ever to call it.
 

Canid117

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Canid117 said:
Actually, wilful is the correct way to spell it according to the forum spell-checker. Try it.

Also, most Americans being stupid is not an insult, it's a damn statistic. I put the footnote there for just that reason, not everyone is, so get your head out of your ass.
Link me the fucking statistic. I dare you to try. Not a video of people cherry picked to say dumb things but an actual study saying that Americans are stupider than people from other countries. As for "wilful" being correct, you do realize that the red line running underneath it means that it is spelled wrong right? Unless you accidentally hit the "Add to dictionary" option after right clicking the spell check is going to call you on it.
 

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Just read the rest of the thread. Nice to know that even though a whole ocean separates us from most of you that you can still find the energy to hate entire nation of people in your daily life. Were all just people, human beings and while I'm preaching to the choir I still hope we can realize this someday. We all worry about the same basic things, family, friend, food, and sex. We all get our hearts broken fall in love and generally go through the human experiences. Also you can't ever really know a person just from a couple of meetings or even a lifetime. Take my friends dad, white, republican, and slightly overweight and he likes to listen to rap.

My point.

Hating someone or a whole nation is pointless, but go ahead if makes you feel better than than someone else. Because really thats all this is about.
 

Tdc2182

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I'm the complete opposite.

We have a damn good system, just the exact opposite people that you need are running it.
 

RatRace123

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Maraveno said:
sorry but this is hitting me sore right now

If we can't say we hate the people, How can you honestly say you like them?
Isn't that also an en masse generalization than?
Yeah, that was an en masse generalization. I don't actually know most other americans so I can't say that I like them, I meant that I don't hate them. I guess I feel neutral about most other americans, but I do like the majority of americans that I know personally.