Poll: Are gamers today too self entitiled?

[LiquidSolstice]

For the most part, no. The concerns are legitimate. People see gamers acting like consumers of any other product, and ddcide that they're all self-entitled little twerps.

Name me one other product where the consumers are as vocal and obnoxious as gaming.

Android fanboys come pretty close.

"SIRI IS STUPID LOLOLOL GIMMICK"
*next day on xda*
"WE MADE [generic name], WHICH IS LIKE SIRI FOR THE iPHONE GO ANDROID!!!!"

Android users are some of the most insufferable little self-entitled arrogant dicks. Can't skip a stone on the XDA forums without hitting someone who thinks only stupid people buy iPhones (not that the iOS users are not at fault for any mudslinging either).

Disclaimer: I'm an Android guy, and have been since I stopped using Windows Mobile 5. Own an Evo 3D currently, used to develop ROMs for the Hero, come say hi on XDA if you don't believe me, same username.

 

[repeating integers]

Also, gamers still aren't as entitled as music fans.

"What!? This band has changed to making A DIFFERENT KIND OF MUSIC!? WHAT. DON'T THEY KNOW THEY HAVE A DUTY TO MAKE THE EXACT KIND OF MUSIC I WANT ALL THE TIME, THEY'VE BETRAYED THEIR FANS!"

Annoys me so much.

 

[verdant monkai]

NO NO NO if you pay good money for something you have a right to ask for it to be improved, plus %90 of the time gamers are pissed off for good reason, stupid attention seekers (like that critical miss comic, about getting angry) can call us what they want, but if you pay £40/$60 for a game it is your god damn right to ask for it to be improved.

 

[Naeras]

Indeed. It also strikes me as funny that Dark Souls got an internet petition to be made. Then, when gamers get what they wanted, they aren't happy with the way it's being done. So, a new petition, to change the game they're getting because of a petition (which hasn't been released yet), is now circulating.

How can you say that we aren't being entitled?

Here's why people complain about it. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6p8qz6wv8M] It's actually locked me out of games that I've bought in the past. Asking that products that I pay money for should work isn't entitlement, it's how it should be.
GFWL is shit. I can see the decision to use GFWL in this case(video explains it), but I don't think I'll buy the PC version of Dark Souls at full price.

 

[Palmerama]

Sometimes, but in the situations you've mentioned?


The ME3 ending was fucking awful.

People deserve to play Dark Souls using a system that doesn't completely break the game.

Yes the ME3 ending was bad but do gamers really have the right to demand it to be re-written? It's kind of like buying a book, reading it and finding it really good up until the ending which sucked and then writing to the writer demanding they re-write it, it just doesn't happen but it seems to be okay for gamers to do this.

As for the GFWL thing I can understand that, I've personally never had a problem with it but many people do apparently, so asking for it to be changed is okay in my books.

In the case of Mass Effect 3, yes they do as the ending had ALREADY been re-written! Don't forget that the original ending was leaked and EA made them change it so Casey Hudson thinking he could do better than the entire writing team shut himself off in a room and wrote the ending! That's why he has defended the ending so much!

I feel there is a certain entitlement gamers should have! Such as being able to actually own the games we have spent alot of money on & not just having a liscence to play them!

Considering that companies like EA treat us more like cash machines than fans of their products shows how much respect they have for us anyway!

 

[barbzilla]

The thing is, we are no more or less entitled than any other consumer. The main difference is, instead of voting with our money like most products, we go online and riddle the developer with virtual bullets (words) hoping they make repair the broken products. Not many products have the ability to be fixed after the consumer purchases them like video games do with patches, and as such we are given a whole new aspect in the creative process.

 

[Dogstile]

For the most part, no. The concerns are legitimate. People see gamers acting like consumers of any other product, and ddcide that they're all self-entitled little twerps.

Name me one other product where the consumers are as vocal and obnoxious as gaming.

Star wars, firefly, star trek,

The original great expectations ending was changed due to the outcry, then changed back

Sporting teams/franchise fans

Ios/android fans

Obnoxious? I think you just insulted everyone ln this website. Remember, no one is forcing you to be here or play games.

OH MY GOD! YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT!!! Those were all nerd-centric (besides sports). Think about it. Nerds and sports fans are now on the same level of annoying bitching over NOTHING.

Then take work. Bitching about the system you have to use to do your job is pretty commonplace. Bitching about a system you have to use on a discussion forum is pretty commonplace (and not "nerd-centric", which proves nothing, unless you're assuming all gamers are nerds, in which case, I will point you at myself)

Or how about bitching about bus lanes in the UK? Bitching about how you're being taught at school/college/university/private course. Bitching about what music they play at your local club.

Complaining isn't exclusive to gaming, it doesn't make us anymore "entitled" than the rest of the world, especially as the reason people are calling us entitled is the mass effect scandal (woo, one product annoyed people! All gamers are entitled forever!) and the dark souls pc port (they're using GFWL which despite how it might not have given you problems, its given a large amount of people problems, so much so that its universally distrusted).

Hell, the only reason I think they're using it is so that they don't have to make entirely new netcode.

So OP: No, gamers aren't entitled. We're simply complaining like every other consumer does. The only reason its so loud to you is because you visit the places we ***** on.

 

[devilofthemist]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

I just started a thread about this, but there is no doubt in my mind that we are far too entitled.

Glad someone agrees, great minds think alike eh?

Indeed. It also strikes me as funny that Dark Souls got an internet petition to be made. Then, when gamers get what they wanted, they aren't happy with the way it's being done. So, a new petition, to change the game they're getting because of a petition (which hasn't been released yet), is now circulating.

How can you say that we aren't being entitled?

yes you, i love you

 

[Savagezion]

Not as much as developers

If anyone has any right to feel entitled to it, its them... BECAUSE THEY MAKE IT !!!

Let me put this as clear as I can: before Bioware decided to do it, Mass Effect was literally NOTHING. No Shepard, no Sovereign, No Saren... nothing. And since they put countless hours into creating the characters, world, story, music, concept art, etc; while all consumers put was the equivalent of a few Whopper combos, guess who has more right to feel entitled to it.

What role exactly do you think it is consumers have in a market? To buy anything someone makes and not expect anything for their investment?

Let me put this as clear as I can: If nobody bought Mass Effect, it would be worth nothing. They would bury it in the desert like Atari's E.T. It has been deemed false advertising (which everyone already knew), so Moviebob was quite a bit off base with his uninformed opinion. When false advertising comes up, usually you are given an amount of time to either provide the product promised or to provide compensation. I guess that makes the people who bought Mass Effect 3 entitled to an ending that is what was advertised by law, or money. (In this case, probably a refund for the product.)

 

[Grunt_Man11]

Snip

You are slightly wrong in this. If I have a legitimate problem them something I bought then ti doesn't matter if you disagree with it or not. If I think my food is too cold then it doesn't matter if the cook says he likes the food at the temperature it is. I paid money for this food and end expect it to be to my liking, and if the restauraunt isn't going to fix it, then I won't be coming back.

If enough people have a problem then the company has to adapt or lose business. We are not talking about a philisophical debate on the value of a game, or if the ending fulfills a player, we are talking about do I feel like I got value for my $60.

True if you unhappy with a certain meal at a restaurant then you have the right to ask for a different one. However, you don't have the right to demand that particular item on the menu be removed. Just because your unhappy with it doesn't mean everyone else is. Also not being a total d-bag about it helps too... unless their d-bags first then by all means unload on them.

The same goes for video games. Sure you have the right to not buy a certain game. You have the right to complain about said game and be vocal about opinions on it. 9The "don't be a d-bag about it" thing applies here too.) However, you don't have the right to demand that the game cease to exist. A lot of people who dislike a game are known for literally demanding that a game be pulled off the shelf simply because they don't like it.

Prime example of this is people who hate Call of Duty games. (I know this doesn't apply to everyone who don't care for Call of Duty.)
Too many, it seems, aren't content with simply not buying and not playing Call of Duty games. No, they won't be happy until Call of Duty is no more. They won't be happy till they stop being made and all copies of the previous games are destroyed. That kind of attitude is what makes someone a self-entitled brat.

Another prime example can be found in World of Warcraft. There are people who felt the normal mode raids were "too hard." They demanded that it all be "nerfed." Other people have proposed an alternate in the form of a third "easy" difficulty. (We have it now, but not before damage had been done.)
Did these people say, "yeah that will work"? Nope. A number flat out stated they just want the current difficulty settings "nerfed," despite many other players being happy with how hard they were. Yeah, in their mind all that matters are what they want and everyone else should be ignored. That is what a self-entitled brat is like.

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Side Note:

I disagree completely. Who gives them the money so that they can go on to make games? The consumers do. Without us there isn't even a Bioware in the first place. Gamers are in a way the developers bosses.

This would actually be a good philosophy for games developers and publishers to take. That way, with the right silver-tongued lawyer, they could argue that piracy is a violation of labor laws. Heh, heh.

 

[ThunderCavalier]

Gamers are too self-entitled, and thus they feel that everything needs to be tailored to their specific needs, however...

Most big name publishers see gamers as money farms, and thus they produce games like CoD which are tailored specifically to rake in the hugest profits while appealing to the largest fanbase, alienating any chance of development in the gaming market in general.

But since gamers are too self-entitled, we can't form together and create an effective resistance to this mass-produced crap without some idiots making some like Retake Mass Effect and making us look more like self-righteous pricks than people with some actual common sense.

It's a perpetual cycle of shit.

 

[lyricalvagabond]

When I buy a product, I expect it to work as advertised, be of a similar quality to similar products I have purchased at a similar price, and not have any unforeseeable problems.

If the product does not do these things, then I, as a consumer should:

- Inform the manufacturer of the product why I wasn't satisfied with the product

- Advise other consumers to not purchase said product

- Take my business elsewhere

This applies to everything, including games. Unfortunately, gamers are really good at the first two things, but not very good at taking their business elsewhere. So, if anything, gamers aren't acting entitled enough.

This.

I recently purchased 2 games from a developer whose name I will not mention, and they do not function without installing Windows Media Player. I sent a message detailing my discontent of this absurd requirement to the developer, and was essentially ignored.

I then found out that this same developer is producing the third installment of a particular video game series, and although I would much like to play that third game in the series, I will not be purchasing said game due to my experience with their previous 2 releases.

The only point at which a company listens to its consumers is when it stops receiving money from those consumers.

 

[boredhooman]

In short, not in the sense you're using. In the dictionary sense, every customer is.

Let's see an analogy used earlier: the cookie thing. A closer one is: If you sell me a chocolate chip cookie and when I bite it it is actually oatmeal raisin, I have a right to be like "What the Hell? Give me chocolate chip!".

Customers are entitled to certain things. If there's a room with a jungle cat, I'm allowed to say I won't go in until it is removed. If there's a room with a jungle cat, and I know there is, but I go in anyway, I can't complain to remove the jungle cat. If the room has a sign that says "No jungle cats in here", and I get attacked when I go in by a jungle cat then I have aright to complain.

I can say that I won't buy ME3 until Origin is no longer required. I can say that they should change their ending, as it was exactly what it was said it wouldn't be: endings A, B, C, and C v1.1

 

[Blade_125]

Snip

You are slightly wrong in this. If I have a legitimate problem them something I bought then ti doesn't matter if you disagree with it or not. If I think my food is too cold then it doesn't matter if the cook says he likes the food at the temperature it is. I paid money for this food and end expect it to be to my liking, and if the restauraunt isn't going to fix it, then I won't be coming back.

If enough people have a problem then the company has to adapt or lose business. We are not talking about a philisophical debate on the value of a game, or if the ending fulfills a player, we are talking about do I feel like I got value for my $60.

True if you unhappy with a certain meal at a restaurant then you have the right to ask for a different one. However, you don't have the right to demand that particular item on the menu be removed. Just because your unhappy with it doesn't mean everyone else is. Also not being a total d-bag about it helps too... unless their d-bags first then by all means unload on them.

The same goes for video games. Sure you have the right to not buy a certain game. You have the right to complain about said game and be vocal about opinions on it. 9The "don't be a d-bag about it" thing applies here too.) However, you don't have the right to demand that the game cease to exist. A lot of people who dislike a game are known for literally demanding that a game be pulled off the shelf simply because they don't like it.

Prime example of this is people who hate Call of Duty games. (I know this doesn't apply to everyone who don't care for Call of Duty.)
Too many, it seems, aren't content with simply not buying and not playing Call of Duty games. No, they won't be happy until Call of Duty is no more. They won't be happy till they stop being made and all copies of the previous games are destroyed. That kind of attitude is what makes someone a self-entitled brat.

Another prime example can be found in World of Warcraft. There are people who felt the normal mode raids were "too hard." They demanded that it all be "nerfed." Other people have proposed an alternate in the form of a third "easy" difficulty. (We have it now, but not before damage had been done.)
Did these people say, "yeah that will work"? Nope. A number flat out stated they just want the current difficulty settings "nerfed," despite many other players being happy with how hard they were. Yeah, in their mind all that matters are what they want and everyone else should be ignored. That is what a self-entitled brat is like.

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Side Note:

I disagree completely. Who gives them the money so that they can go on to make games? The consumers do. Without us there isn't even a Bioware in the first place. Gamers are in a way the developers bosses.

This would actually be a good philosophy for games developers and publishers to take. That way, with the right silver-tongued lawyer, they could argue that piracy is a violation of labor laws. Heh, heh.

I agree with everything you say here, but I don't think it is what is happening with the ME3 issue. I haven't heard of anyone saying pull the game from the shelves. Making a change to the game is a completely differnt thing.

I think it is foolish to even want a game to be pulled. I am not a fan of the COD series, mainly because it is the same game every few months. I would prefer to see inovation in each successive game, but why would the developers bother? I believe the last Modern warefare game was the biggest selling game of all time. In this instance I vote with my wallet. wish others wouls as well, but if the majority like the same game and want to spend $60 then that is their right and the market will react accordingly.

 

[-Samurai-]

I've seen a lot of people think that because they buy a product, the manufacturer of that product owes them like they were done some sort of favor.

Those people are stupid.

 

[xPixelatedx]

Yes, we should totally know our place as the faceless, thoughtless cash grabs we were born to be. How dare we speak to our overlords in such disrespectful manners!

But in all seriousness it's silly to think that we don't have a right to complain if we are given inferior products or are affected by shady business practices. Tell me, are people entitled when they say Hollywood is crappy and they want something better then Jack&Jill? Are people entitled when they say they want better gas prices? Are people entitled when they complain about their politicians running things poorly? If entitled means 'just want to be treated fairly and get your money's worth' as the internet now wants you to believe, then congrats, every human being on the planet is entitled.

 

[Darkcerb]

Oh this thread again, me? I complain when I feel I'm handed crap when I paid and was told to expect more. I also make threads about things I feel a game could benefit from like cross server lfg tools in mmos' which got me much the same reaction as wanting a decent ending for me3.

If that's entitled, fine by me. I've been called all sorts of things for voicing my thoughts, hasn't stopped me so far.

 

[Kinguendo]

What are you talking about? I am a Gamer and I have never had a game named after me, but now that you have mentioned it... I SHOULD have a game named after me!

That's not what entitled means.

1. To give a name or title to.
2. To furnish with a right or claim to something.

See, I played on the dual definition... WORDPLAY!

 

[LiquidSolstice]

I don't get why everyone thinks this is just in response to the ME3 bullshit. Want to see entitlement in action? Look at any old MW2 or Black Ops PC thread you can find.

I promise you you'll find numerous complaints from people about not having dedicated servers or modding tools. They were never promised them, nor were they told to expect them. But they felt entitled to them.

I hate hate HATE how this sounds like flamebait, but from every observation I've ever made, this "self-entitlement" thing only occurs to PC gamers. I can't remember the last time I met one of my console-owning friends and discussed how sad it was that we didn't have dedicated servers or mods.

It of course can't be for any other reason than the publisher hating you and wanting to extract money from you. Not handing you a sandbox to fuck around with their work is the ultimate disservice, apparently. And because of this "we deserve mods" mentality, they also feel entitled to any form of DLC, claiming that "they could have made it themselves if you had given them the chance".

I'll say this again; I don't wish to offend any PC gamers and what I've noticed may not apply to you indivudually, so don't take it personally. But for people who enjoy video games and are getting tired of the drama and politics, I genuinely feel that console gaming makes for a far more pleasant experience.

 

[bladester1]

Human society itself has become too self entitled. I feel to lazy to post some proof. Go watch global news or something, or refresh your memory from the financial collapse a few years back.