Poll: Are murderers forgivable?
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Depends on the murder.
Murder in self defense, forgivable. I see this as self defense, and under a different category, but not everone shares my view on this.
Accidental murder, forgivable if unforseen as a result.
Murder in a rage...depends a little more on context.
Murder under the influence of a controlled substance but not accidental...again, context is important here and mainly depends on if said substance was/is illegal.
Murder in cold blood/planned, unforgivable, except in the event that the person murdered was a known and immediate threat to yourself or others, but proper authorities should have been notified.
Murder for the sake of murder, obviously not forgivable.
Murder in self defense, forgivable. I see this as self defense, and under a different category, but not everone shares my view on this.
Accidental murder, forgivable if unforseen as a result.
Murder in a rage...depends a little more on context.
Murder under the influence of a controlled substance but not accidental...again, context is important here and mainly depends on if said substance was/is illegal.
Murder in cold blood/planned, unforgivable, except in the event that the person murdered was a known and immediate threat to yourself or others, but proper authorities should have been notified.
Murder for the sake of murder, obviously not forgivable.
I guess it would depend on the circumstances... and I dunno about the law, but I'd be slightly lenient on a guy who killed a rapist...
Also, if that honestly person wanted to be forgiven, then again, I can be a bit lenient.
Also, if that honestly person wanted to be forgiven, then again, I can be a bit lenient.
Well theres a different between a "killer" and a "murderer"
A "killer" is simple someone who has ended another human beings life for reasons beyond his or hers control like killing in self defense..Kind of like doing something that needs to be done but you dont want to do the deed. But using the term killer usually means(A killer is someone or something that kills, such as a murderer)
A "murderer" wanted to kill said human being. I could be for either a selfish or selfless reason but said person still wanted said person dead. But using the term murderer usually means(is the unlawful killing of another human being with "malice aforethought")
A "killer" is simple someone who has ended another human beings life for reasons beyond his or hers control like killing in self defense..Kind of like doing something that needs to be done but you dont want to do the deed. But using the term killer usually means(A killer is someone or something that kills, such as a murderer)
A "murderer" wanted to kill said human being. I could be for either a selfish or selfless reason but said person still wanted said person dead. But using the term murderer usually means(is the unlawful killing of another human being with "malice aforethought")
I think a lot of people in this thread are confusing murder and killing, they are two different things.
Really, there is no set answer. There are far too many variables. The justice system is designed with forgiveness and rehabilitation in mind. Ideally, everyone should be allowed to be forgiven for what they have done but that does not mean they shouldn't be punished for it.
In many cases, people have forgiven someone who has murdered loved ones, it can help in the healing process. As many people have said, way too many variables!
Really, there is no set answer. There are far too many variables. The justice system is designed with forgiveness and rehabilitation in mind. Ideally, everyone should be allowed to be forgiven for what they have done but that does not mean they shouldn't be punished for it.
In many cases, people have forgiven someone who has murdered loved ones, it can help in the healing process. As many people have said, way too many variables!
Well, that depends. A person who kills for no adequately explainable pupose, such as enjoyment, selfish gain or bitterness, should not be forgiven, but a person who kills for reasons such as to defend the lives of many others or because that person is a genuine evil or threat, then they should hardly be condemned in the first place.
I think everyone has a different understanding of what forgiveness is. I think everyone is human, no matter what they've done, and everyone has rationales for their actions, even if they are irrational rationales, so to speak, so in that sense I can basically forgive anything. Of course there are actions which should be punished, and the most dangerous people need to be kept out of trouble, but I don't think killing them is a reasonable option. On a personal level I'm not sure if I could forgive the murder of a family member, thankfully that has not happened to me. It is a good thing that a murder victim's family don't get to choose the murderer's punishment.
I think it should be forgiven, it is only a single act that does not define the person, though it is obviously a huge act which will have ramifications for everyone involved and the person who committed it.
I just don't think an individual life is that sacred, if it were I would simply die myself from the despair of people dying for no reason, rather than there actually being a reason (no matter how poorly reasoned) in the case of a murderer.
I think life is precious and frankly, fan-fucking-tastic, I think life is the greatest thing about the universe (biased I know) and humanity perhaps the best example of it. But an individual life, not so much, I would do more towards the affirmation and strengthening of life, to take life as far as it can go, not merely protect individual lives or condemn through resentment someone who takes another life.
I recommend reading Crime and Punishment, if you haven't already, fascinating reading on this kind of issue, and by no means is the murderer right, but I think he is in some ways forgivable.
I just don't think an individual life is that sacred, if it were I would simply die myself from the despair of people dying for no reason, rather than there actually being a reason (no matter how poorly reasoned) in the case of a murderer.
I think life is precious and frankly, fan-fucking-tastic, I think life is the greatest thing about the universe (biased I know) and humanity perhaps the best example of it. But an individual life, not so much, I would do more towards the affirmation and strengthening of life, to take life as far as it can go, not merely protect individual lives or condemn through resentment someone who takes another life.
I recommend reading Crime and Punishment, if you haven't already, fascinating reading on this kind of issue, and by no means is the murderer right, but I think he is in some ways forgivable.
I'd say it depends on a hell of a lot of factors. Dexter for example, is perfectly forgiveable to me, as I follow the consequentiality ethics. Other than that, if you count military actions as murder then there you have millions of justified murders.
If it's just random nobody A killing random nobody B then it's a lot harder to judge, but I'd say that by definition you can't generalize it as unforgivable.
If it's just random nobody A killing random nobody B then it's a lot harder to judge, but I'd say that by definition you can't generalize it as unforgivable.
Obviously depends on the Murdee.
If you've planned out how to kill Hitler, I doubt many people would waggle their fists at you.
If you've planned out how to kill Hitler, I doubt many people would waggle their fists at you.
Depends on the situation entirely.
Was it in self-defence/the defence of another when your/the other person(s) lives are at risk? Yes, it is a justiflied killing.
Was the victim someone whom has committed an unforgivable act, like a murderer or a dictator? Maybe, this situation depends on your point of view.
Was it a murder of someone over something as trival as money/material goods? No that is an unforgivable act and you should rot in prison/be on death row.
Was it in self-defence/the defence of another when your/the other person(s) lives are at risk? Yes, it is a justiflied killing.
Was the victim someone whom has committed an unforgivable act, like a murderer or a dictator? Maybe, this situation depends on your point of view.
Was it a murder of someone over something as trival as money/material goods? No that is an unforgivable act and you should rot in prison/be on death row.
Good example of where the issue gets tricky for me, I think it is justified in that I could not blame any one person in any way attached to that situation for that resulting action. However, I don't think it is 'justice', so to speak. As in, I don't think anything like that should be sanctioned by law or even be recommended by those not personally affected.DanielBrown said:
I don't think pedophiles should be killed, mostly as I think by killing them we are exterminating the possibility for understanding them. Not understanding them in the sense that they are misunderstood, good people, but understanding why this fucked up thing happens and why, when it does, people do actually act on it.
I'm of the controversial opinion that pedophiles should be treated, not jailed, and the public should look on it as a disorder, not as simply being a monster. That said, if that situation occurred and resources available to them, AND they still acted upon them by rape or even molestation, we could truly condemn them.
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TL;DR?: I can forgive a person for acting out of a passion I think it is essentially human to have, but to extend that to situations that do not directly relate to them other rules apply.
Everything is killing everything since the beginning of time. And I think you should only have an opinion about that a murder if you are involved (friends etc) ofcourse you can always have an opinion but you have no influence so...
If you want to forgive something its your own choice.
If you want to forgive something its your own choice.
for the most part Yeah, but it does depend on a lot of things.
But I don't see why amurderer person should be judged on their past actions. Just because somebody has done something once doesn't mean they are any more likely to do it again. I've never jumped out of an airplane but I sure as hell want to. I imagine there are some people who have done that and don't ever want to do it again.
But I don't see why a
People can change. A person convicted of a crime, after 10 years in prison, may be a completely different person to the one that walked into that jail in the beginning.
No matter the action, if a person is willing to admit they did wrong, change for the better because of it, and do all they can to make up for their actions, then they should be forgiven.
No matter the action, if a person is willing to admit they did wrong, change for the better because of it, and do all they can to make up for their actions, then they should be forgiven.