Poll: Are murderers forgivable?

[Sinspiration]

I know only this much. There's only one person who'll never be able to forgive a murderer without paranormal intervention.

And that would be the one they murdered.

Well put, well put indeed. But they're dead, so it doesn't matter, does it?

Why would we bother to call some-one a murderer in the first place if the dead don't matter?

 

[Reman Khaar]

There's no way for you to ever fully understand the thought processes of someone who truly believes that he has to murder another human being unless you've been there, but you can easily look at any number of first degree murder cases where the murderer was a victim of extensive mental and physical abuse to the point where he/she just -knew- without a shadow of a doubt that there was no way to escape except by ending their abusers life, and that's just a single example of a circumstance where a planned murder is forgivable or even acceptable.




Edit: I saw someone suggesting that keeping murderers locked inside of a cell for their entire life is a great punishment. Guess who pays for that? The tax-payers. We end up paying for their food, their plumbing, their electricity.. everything. Do you know how much money is spent yearly on resources for inmates in prison? It's disgusting.

 

[Shotgunjack1880]

That is a huge grey area. Depends on why they did it, plain and simple. I don't think it's wrong to kill people generally anyways, if you have a good reason behind it. Is it wrong to kill a known pedophile, rapist, or sociopath? No, it is not. It helps out society as a whole and should be more than tolerated.

Personally, I think anyone who doesn't get there shit together after 3 felonies should be executed regardless of the crime. You obviously want only to harm the other people you find yourself in contact with on a daily basis.

You are the wolf(bad guy) that hunt the sheep(general population). I am the sheepdog(you figure out what that means), and I don't care if you live the rest of your life. You do not belong in society and you only aim to prey on the weak and defenseless.

So, no, I some cases I'm actually for murder.

 

[Banana Cannon]

One thing I'll remember from Bleach, possibly the only thing I'll remember besides Tite Kubo's obsessive and idealistic fascination with a woman's body like most manga artists, is this line. "As soon as you're in the fight, you know you're in the wrong." This leads me to believe that all people with violent tendencies, in either thought or action, have to take the responsibility and understand that killing someone is the end product of most fighting arts.

To commit murder through conventional violence or sneaky assassination with the full intent of believing good will come of it solely for you is the unforgivable act that literally defines you as conventionally evil.

Doing it by accident, in a moment you don't see coming and in a punch that shouldn't have killed him/her if it weren't for that edge on the counter, this kind of incident leaves the person responsible open for seeking redemption, but again you have to realise that to fight puts us in the wrong. Human beings, I think, shouldn't fight each other for any other cause than to get stronger and to understand that we are our own downfall, through learning how far we're willing to go to overcome the opponent, and knowing when to simply stand against him in the hopes of becoming equal in terms of skill.

 

[The Night Shade]

when someone kills innocents it unforgivable but someone who kills criminals or evil people i'm totally ok with it

 

[Kindberg]

Hitler murdered a lot of people.
Can we stop a lot of murdering by trying murdering him?
If yes, then it justify murdering him.

Jew here.

No, your logic is flawed. The only way to be able to do what you have posited is to have known before hand that Hitler was going to do what he did, or perhaps to travel back in time. either way, unlikely.

I believe that the only justification for killing, at all, is in defense of your own life ro the lives of others, and even that only when it is absolutely necessary. I would not have killed Hitler, I would have captured him and left him to rot in a prison for the rest of his miserable existence. When you give in to vengeful thoughts, and say that you can justify killing because of someones actions or behavior, you sink to their level. I am against capital punishment because the idea of "If you kill someone, we will kill you back" is so utterly ridiculous and juvenile that any rational person should reject it. That is the mentality of a fucking third grader.

I don't know why you talk about time travel? I tried to justify murder in war-situation. The war took 5 years and I am quite sure people didn't think Hitler was going to stop himself. Some german soldiers had to be murdered, right? Thus some people had to go too war too stop him. You also talk about capturing Hitler instead of killing him, I guess we both know, none of those two things happen (suicide). But do you by that also suggest every german solder should have been captured instead of murdered? I think that is impossible and by that I am third grader. But you will be more naive than a third grader.

Your phrase "If you kill someone, we will kill you back" is not my logic, I am against death penalty (hope thats the right word, Im not english).

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Of course they can be forgiven. People don't kill because they're "evil", there's no such thing. It's just a way for people to justify actions they do not understand. Be it that they have a mental illness, it was an accidental killing or just killed because they were hired to do so there are a lot of reasons why people kill and you can't judge them based on that.

 

[Jedoro]

I got no problem with murdering bad people, like those sons of fucks who get off on technicalities in trials or members of organized crime. It's illegal to kill 'em, but damn do they probably deserve it.

 

[Robert632]

It all depends on the context. If it's someone who truly makes the world worse by being alive, then I think that a murderer could be forgiven. If it's them acting out when they aren't in full control of their body, then I can see it being forgiven as well. Otherwise, no.

 

[Get Off My Lawn]

Depends on the circumstances. Kills for revenge/to end a dictatorship/etcetc are justice at work. Kills just because you like looking at dead bodies or something? No. Kills blindly out of rage? No.
You get the idea.

 

[Bobzer77]

If someone is truly sorry for something they did.

And I mean actually truly, absolutely sorry, I could probably forgive them.

 

[Timberwolf0924]

everyone deserves forgiveness, no matter the crime, no matter the person race creed religion or gender. They all deserve forgiveness

 

[ShikyoTenshi]

Just give me any thoughts you have. Personally, I hold to the idea that any act is forgivable, with the exception of first degree murder. To me, once you kill someone else, planned it out and executed them, you have crossed the line between human and monster.

EDIT: since people seem to not understand, I'm talking about first degree murder. Planned, thought about, and finally, done.

The real question here I think would be who is the victim? Is the victim Sam the annoying guy from work that just wont shut up? Is the victim Vicky a drug dealer that ruins the lives of people? Is the victim Robert a man who raped your sister, daughter, brother ect.? Is the victim Sue a sweet old lady slowly dying of a terminal illness that causes her excruciating pain every day that just wishes for the end but doesn't have the strength to do it herself?

If its a murder just to murder. No
If it is a murder to save the lives of others. Quite possibly.
If it is a murder for vengeance. That really seems to go both ways.
If it is proven a murder to assist a person in pain that will never get better and it was consensual. Probably yes.

 

[RubyT]

it depends if the person has changed since they murdered.

Very good point. Someone could have been a cold-blooded a**hole and murdered a whole family. After 40 years of prison, they can turn into a totally different person, one that seeks forgiveness and could be given such.

 

[Kamehapa]

Since being forgiven is on a person to person basis, I'm sure that there's someone out there who could forgive anyone for anything.

 

[Yopaz]

Depends on the murder. For starters, killing in self-defence or by accident isn't murder so they are often forgivable depending on the exact circumstances.

I'd say the following could be possibly be forgivable, depending on circumstance:

-Murder under influence of drugs or drink
-Murder under a false belief which has later been recanted
-Murder in a moment of anger
-Murder of someone who had grievous hurt yourself or someone close to you
-Murder if the murderer was a young child or severely mentally disabled at the time

However I'd say the following could never be forgiven unless the murderer was so young or disabled they were literally unaware of the conseqences:

-Murder of a child
-Murder accompanied by torture, sadism or rape of the victim

So a person willingly putting poison making him unable to make considerations will be forgiven murder? The law states (and I agree with it) that if you put yourself in a situation where you are unable to be responsible for your actions then you are still guilty of the actions you commit. This sent a schizophrenic who had killed someone behind bars. The reason he killed someone was that he had stopped taking medications because they made him gain weight.

OT: some cases should be forgiven, but most should not be left without punishment. However I will say that sending a kid to jail is a bad idea. Jail is more likely to make them messed up and likely to repeat their actions, maybe not murder, but it's hard to get out of a life of crime.

 

[Powlee]

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[The Shade]

What if it was 1940 1938, and we spent a lot of time and money organizing and carrying out an assassination of Hitler? Are we still monsters?

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human.

Killing an enemy during war is not unlawful, and therefore that is not an example of murder.

Okay, how 'bout now?

 

[Brandon237]

Things that are OK in my book:
1. Self-defense
2. Revenge acts that are somewhat justifiable but still should be punished ... hey ... that's what law & order is for ... screw vigilantes (Killing a rapist ... but NOT a cop/soldier for doing his/her/its (robots are people too!) job in the line of duty ... or killing a man who only killed another in self-defense)
3. Freak accidents where you might be directly or indirectly irresponsible for the death of someone.

I really don't believe in second chance and reformation for murderers. Sure, reformation might actually work. They might actually fit in their community thanks to the money and professionals who will help a few, but the idea of working with a known murderer whose life somewhat 'improved' at the cost of an innocent man/woman is disgusting.

This + killing of serial killers / genocidal people.

Self-defence is something no law or body should ever have the right to take away, without the right to defend ones self to the full extent of their ability so long as the force is not brutally excessive (I say brutally because the current margin of error is too biased for the attacker, if they have a weapon and attack you, you should have every right to end the fight in whatever way keeps you intact).

Revenge I would consider to be almost a Latent crime of passion, so forgiveable, but not justifiable like the other two could be.

 

[JoJo]

Depends on the murder. For starters, killing in self-defence or by accident isn't murder so they are often forgivable depending on the exact circumstances.

I'd say the following could be possibly be forgivable, depending on circumstance:

-Murder under influence of drugs or drink
-Murder under a false belief which has later been recanted
-Murder in a moment of anger
-Murder of someone who had grievous hurt yourself or someone close to you
-Murder if the murderer was a young child or severely mentally disabled at the time

However I'd say the following could never be forgiven unless the murderer was so young or disabled they were literally unaware of the conseqences:

-Murder of a child
-Murder accompanied by torture, sadism or rape of the victim

So a person willingly putting poison making him unable to make considerations will be forgiven murder? The law states (and I agree with it) that if you put yourself in a situation where you are unable to be responsible for your actions then you are still guilty of the actions you commit. This sent a schizophrenic who had killed someone behind bars. The reason he killed someone was that he had stopped taking medications because they made him gain weight.

Note the words "could be possibly be forgivable". The only situation where murder would be automatically forgivable would be where the murderer was (by age or disability) entirely unable to understand what they were doing. If someone killed someone-else in a fit of drunken rage, did their time in prison and regretted what they did, came out and made a new life for themselves, I might see fit to forgive them personally. Remember being forgiven doesn't mean avoiding punishment.