There is absolutely no way I'm installing Origin for any reason. Unless EA does a serious revision of it, and it stops being a spyware and/or malware it's going nowhere near my computer. And I'm certainly not paying for a game just to be forced to crack it in order to maintain my privacy.
Poll: Are you Boycotting EA Origin?
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My retail copy does. Origin is just like an updated version of EA Download Manager, so I installed it when I reinstalled The Sims 3 and patched my game.ph0b0s123 said:
I don't know how much The Sims 3 relies on Origin to actually run or whether it's still available on Steam without Origin, but that's how I got Origin, installing the retail version of The Sims 3 and following the prompts to log in with my EA account and patch the game.
To be honest, I didn't give it a moment's thought, so I don't know whether it's possible to manually install, patch and run The Sims 3 without Origin.
Origin creates some weird glitch on my computer that causes me to lose internet access for several minutes.
So whether I want to or not (luckily I DO want to) I will be boycotting Origin
So whether I want to or not (luckily I DO want to) I will be boycotting Origin
I'm not boycotting Origin. I just simply do not feel the need for another digital distribution service on my computer.
I am not boycotting it, but I am not installing it either. There are no games I like on it right now, and there are none in the foreseeable future.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Origin is the boogeyman for many PC gamers. I think the intense vitriol it garners from many gamers is interesting and funny. Origin has yet to bite me in the ass yet. And I doubt that it will. But if it does, I'll just get a new PC and not install it. Drastic? Not really. If Origin does in fact lead to a major security breach on my computer, then I will gladly admit that all the venom-spewers I'm laughing at now were right, and simply get a new PC system, and not go within 50 yards of purchasing an EA title again.
But in the likely event that that doesn't happen, Origin-haters, please don't mind my snickering at your hysteria, and my enjoyment of Mass Effect 3 on the PC.
Origin is the boogeyman for many PC gamers. I think the intense vitriol it garners from many gamers is interesting and funny. Origin has yet to bite me in the ass yet. And I doubt that it will. But if it does, I'll just get a new PC and not install it. Drastic? Not really. If Origin does in fact lead to a major security breach on my computer, then I will gladly admit that all the venom-spewers I'm laughing at now were right, and simply get a new PC system, and not go within 50 yards of purchasing an EA title again.
But in the likely event that that doesn't happen, Origin-haters, please don't mind my snickering at your hysteria, and my enjoyment of Mass Effect 3 on the PC.
I'll probably still get ME3, but i'll get the physical copy and if that comes with origin i'll wait for a crack. no way i'm letting ea take my personal info.
I don't think it's boycotting if it's something you don't want. I don't think I'm boycotting because I don't want to use it, at all, ever.
Maybe others are.
Maybe others are.
Nope. While I don't respect Origin at all, that doesn't stop me from playing the games I like, as it shouldn't. There's the bonus that I'm not a very big PC gamer, but I think boycotting is just silly. They don't care, all it does is stop you from playing games that you might otherwise have greatly enjoyed.
Legal question: Does Origin display the EULA before you actually spend the money?
That's a question because here (.de) there's some ambuity regarding EULAs. Some argue that they are terms to the purchase contract and as such void when added after the contract is closed, some argue that that's a non-issue, because you can go back on that contract if you disagree with those terms... Fortunately, there's no ambiguity regarding the validity of some of those terms: If they are valid, they are general terms and conditions and as such to be evaluated under the General Terms and Conditions Law (here: AGBG). And that means that stuff that is "surprising" or "one-sided" is not part of the contract. (For details, contact a lawyer. I'm no lawyer!)
Well, whatever. Regarding Origin: I find it laughable that it took three of those platforms for anyone to actually notice that they have crappy terms of service. Why did we (as customers) let companies get away with that for such a long time? Much has gone wrong with the legal situation, both in the US and here, in the last two decades. The more laws regulated computing, the more rights customers lost. Fifteen years ago it was legal to make a safety copy of a game you bought. It was even OK to let them circulate in small numbers (IIRC it was as much as eight copies).
It was OK to break copy protections. (I still see it as OK in Germany, _if_ the copy protection prevents you from actually playing the game you rightfully bought!)
However, IMO there's so much else that's wrong with publishing... I'd rather support Valve and Impulse in their quest to make a better service and just hope that they give the money saved from not doing printed promotion, pressed discs and so on to the developers, who are the ones that actually deserve the money. But, well, that's just publishing, and you have the same problems in book publishing (just that there the deserving aren't called developers but authors).
Regarding "EA has better things to do than find pirates": You seem to hope for the Stasi theorem (i.e. so much surveilance generates too much data for EA to process... that's how the Stasi was at the end). However, processing power has increased dramatically and if they can make their software find copies of their games with the DRM removed and have it gather proof that will hold up in court, and make the lawsuit computerized, believe me, they will if they think it gives them more money than it costs. And since "piracy" scaremongers always pull far too big numbers out of their asses, that last condition will probably hold. (I really, really hate that term "piracy", because it was coined purely to make copy protection circumventers and copy right infringers sound like they're hurting people. As in, with a cutlass!)
One other thing: When Valve created Steam, that was great. When Impulse created Impulse, that was already redundand, but it was OK, because Steam needed competition. But now EA creates Origin just out of spite? And I seem to remember EA taunting Steam in the beginning, like "That'll never pay off!". Well, to quote Mahatma Ghandi: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." EA vs. Steam is currently in round 3.
That's a question because here (.de) there's some ambuity regarding EULAs. Some argue that they are terms to the purchase contract and as such void when added after the contract is closed, some argue that that's a non-issue, because you can go back on that contract if you disagree with those terms... Fortunately, there's no ambiguity regarding the validity of some of those terms: If they are valid, they are general terms and conditions and as such to be evaluated under the General Terms and Conditions Law (here: AGBG). And that means that stuff that is "surprising" or "one-sided" is not part of the contract. (For details, contact a lawyer. I'm no lawyer!)
Well, whatever. Regarding Origin: I find it laughable that it took three of those platforms for anyone to actually notice that they have crappy terms of service. Why did we (as customers) let companies get away with that for such a long time? Much has gone wrong with the legal situation, both in the US and here, in the last two decades. The more laws regulated computing, the more rights customers lost. Fifteen years ago it was legal to make a safety copy of a game you bought. It was even OK to let them circulate in small numbers (IIRC it was as much as eight copies).
It was OK to break copy protections. (I still see it as OK in Germany, _if_ the copy protection prevents you from actually playing the game you rightfully bought!)
However, IMO there's so much else that's wrong with publishing... I'd rather support Valve and Impulse in their quest to make a better service and just hope that they give the money saved from not doing printed promotion, pressed discs and so on to the developers, who are the ones that actually deserve the money. But, well, that's just publishing, and you have the same problems in book publishing (just that there the deserving aren't called developers but authors).
Regarding "EA has better things to do than find pirates": You seem to hope for the Stasi theorem (i.e. so much surveilance generates too much data for EA to process... that's how the Stasi was at the end). However, processing power has increased dramatically and if they can make their software find copies of their games with the DRM removed and have it gather proof that will hold up in court, and make the lawsuit computerized, believe me, they will if they think it gives them more money than it costs. And since "piracy" scaremongers always pull far too big numbers out of their asses, that last condition will probably hold. (I really, really hate that term "piracy", because it was coined purely to make copy protection circumventers and copy right infringers sound like they're hurting people. As in, with a cutlass!)
One other thing: When Valve created Steam, that was great. When Impulse created Impulse, that was already redundand, but it was OK, because Steam needed competition. But now EA creates Origin just out of spite? And I seem to remember EA taunting Steam in the beginning, like "That'll never pay off!". Well, to quote Mahatma Ghandi: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." EA vs. Steam is currently in round 3.
Yes, I'm boycotting Origin games. But so far it hasn't been very hard or inconvenient because there's nothing good on it anyway.
I agree with this. There are some games by EA that interest me, but they're all available on Steam.Kitsuna10060 said:
I still buy their (relatively few) games that are still available on Steam. If only to make a half-hearted statement that I'd rather they were still using it as well.Rex Dark said:
