Poll: Are you Homophobic??

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Tdc2182

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SimuLord said:
When I was 15, a gay guy attempted to rape me. He probably should have come armed because barehanded he picked the wrong victim and nearly got himself killed.

For a fair while after that (as in, over a decade) I was a foaming-at-the-mouth crusader that gays were an abomination and blah blah blah hate speech.

Then I got to know one. Thankfully someone told me "keep your fool mouth shut and don't offend this guy" and the someone (my then-girlfriend, who introduced me to him) was someone I didn't want to piss off, so I gave him a fair chance.

That guy is now my closest male friend, a guy I'd go to war with, the guy who singlehandedly turned me from a frothing Republican asswipe into a tireless crusader for equality, because he is just that awesome. And I say that as a guy who's completely straight.

I've met his friends. Met a couple of his lovers, even (a double date with three guys and a girl? Why yes.) And I'm no longer a homophobe. Thanks, Mike.
Judging by the posts I have seen from you on the Escapists, you have had a pretty eventful life.

OT: Not at all.

I used to kind of slip up and call people fags and stuff, but then I realized that I kind of needed to grow up. I honestly never understood why people disliked gays.
 

tobi the good boy

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No i have no problem with people who are homosexual, have a few homosexual friends. I have on the other end of the spectrum been called homophobic because i called someone who was gay a snob (how does that work!!??!!)
 

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Nah, and I couldn't really give two shits about the whole "Nature vs. Nurture" aspect of it either; it's your life and you can do what you like, and it probably is a chemical thing anyways.

So no, I don't care if you're gay.
 

Thaius

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Thaius said:
Am I homophobic? Not at all. I do think that homosexuality is unnatural, unproductive, and simply wrong
Homosexuality is very much a natural thing, and being unproductive is something we need more of in an over-productive society.

I don't really see your gripe with it. It seems that most anti-homosexuality arguments basically come down to "I find gays icky".
Look, I didn't come to argue my beliefs on the subject. Either from a religious or evolutionary perspective, homosexuality makes no sense as a positive trait. Beyond that, the sociological ramifications are not something to be ignored. But arguing about that is probably what got this thread up to its ridiculous post count, even though it is not the topic of the thread. I'm not here to argue that; my point is simply that there are valid reasons to be against homosexuality. To deny that is to be willingly blind. You can disagree with the reasons if you want, that's fine, but to claim any aversion to homosexuality as an irrational hatred? That's just ignorant.
 

Agrael

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I don't like it..

But it happens at birth.. and it is natural... so ... go chase that rainbow!
 

Dexiro

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Thaius said:
Dexiro said:
It seems that most anti-homosexuality arguments basically come down to "I find gays icky".
Look, I didn't come to argue my beliefs on the subject. Either from a religious or evolutionary perspective, homosexuality makes no sense as a positive trait. Beyond that, the sociological ramifications are not something to be ignored. But arguing about that is probably what got this thread up to its ridiculous post count, even though it is not the topic of the thread. I'm not here to argue that; my point is simply that there are valid reasons to be against homosexuality. To deny that is to be willingly blind. You can disagree with the reasons if you want, that's fine, but to claim any aversion to homosexuality as an irrational hatred? That's just ignorant.
I'm not intending for this to be some super long epic argument, I'm just saying I'm yet to understand any arguments against homosexuality.

Seriously I can't see any negative points. Even the lack of reproduction is beneficial because we're becoming overpopulated. Actually it's probably the most moral solution to overpopulation, to be quite honest we need more of it!
 

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I take a martial art called "Brazillion Jiu jistu" I am in possitions with other me that could be interpreted as sexual positions. there are a few gay guys in the class to. SO no, to the lowest degree.
 

DMonkey

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A little. When I was younger, a lot. I freely admit it is from being uncomfortable with something I do not understand at all. Also, man-hating lesbians. Got a lot of those buggers around where I used to live. Fear them more then snakes. Seriously, when opening a door for someone just out of politeness and habit feels like you are about ready to disarm a bomb?
Oh fuck. Those women can make any guys testicles scream, and try to run away.
 

Saboten

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Well, I gay, so yes, I am homophobic o_O. No but seriously, I have friends who are severely homophobic and it's for a couple reasons.
1. They are hardcore Christian. They believe that the Bible teaches homosexuals are bound for hell and therefore don't want anything to do with them.
2. They are just afraid. They are afraid we will try to convert them, that we get off to them. That really isn't the case. Most gay people I know don't have a thing for straight people.
 

Thaius

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Well I guess I can give a basic rundown of some of the arguments and their validity: not necessarily saying I agree with all of them, but they are some of the ones that do have good backing.

From a religious perspective, it's pretty straightforward: God says no. Many people say this is stupid, but it actually makes perfect sense. If you believe in a God that created the entire universe, this God obviously also set everything, including the rules, into motion. Thus, it logically follows that the God who created the world also has authority over how things should go on it, much like you set the rules for a game that you invent, or a model you create; as the creator, you have a perfectly legitimate authority over your creation. Thus, from a religious perspective, it makes sense to oppose homosexuality if God says it's wrong. But contrary to popular belief, people of this persuasion rarely actually hate gays: Westboro Baptist Church is nothing but a loud, irritating minority. And there is plenty of argument within religious circles over whether morality according to that religion is enforceable in a free country (which leads in to the sociological issues).

From an evolutionary perspective, it makes little to no sense; at the very least, the existence of a "gay gene" (meaning some sort of biological reason why a person is gay; no idea why the word "gene" is part of the term) is completely unfounded. Evolution progresses when a small mutation happens, and if that mutation is beneficial and helps the creature survive, it will, and it will mate and spread its mutation. So let's say that, somewhere back in the history of evolution, an animal received the "gay gene." It would be incapable of reproduction. Animals, acting on instinct based on their biology, would not have the sense to know, "If I want evolution to continue, I should reproduce;" they would simply do what they are biologically programmed to do. If they are programmed to have sex with the same gender, they would only be rejected by the rest of the pack unless another animal of the same gender had the same mutation (which, considering the already astronomical odds against these "beneficial mutations" in the first place, is more than unlikely); but even if they do find a partner, the "gay gene" would not spread. Beyond that, contrary to popular belief, homosexuality cannot be caused by genetics alone; it is dependent on many social and environmental concerns. Even the studies regarding biological homosexuality admit this. The point to all this is that there are many good reasons why any sort of biological need to be gay can be doubted, and even denied outright. Again, this is not all the information, so you can come to a different conclusion, but this is more than a valid argument.

Sociologically, we have the family unit to consider. It is more important than you might think: the family is the building block of society. It is how children are raised, how they are cared for, how they are introduced to a society, culture, and world that they will have to spend the rest of their life in. It is vitally important to the continuation of a civilized world. I am not suggesting that social and cultural acceptance of homosexuality will outright destroy the concept of the family unit, but there are many effects, both good and bad, that it could have. It is rather foolhardy to rush into it, especially considering the lack of certainty regarding its validity as a natural part of life. Beyond that, for the moment at least, it is still a very debated topic. If socially and culturally accepted, homosexuality will be taught in schools no differently than heterosexuality. For the good amount of people that still oppose the idea, their children will be taught against their will on a daily basis. Point being, this issue is at a point in our society right now where the full rights of one group means trespassing on the rights of another. It's not an easy issue to deal with.

I'm not saying you need to agree with any of these, but there is validity to them. They are valid concerns, not irrational fear and/or hatred. I've stated my opinion, but I would like to say again that my opposition to homosexuality does not mean I have anything against homosexuals themselves. For one reason or another, the issue of homosexuality is the only one in which we tend to equate disapproval of one's lifestyle with hatred of said person: this is rarely true on any other issue, and it's rarely true on this one. That alone means there is a big difference between "homophobia" and opposition to the homosexual lifestyle.
 

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I don't have anything against homosexuals, They're fine by me, I even have one or two gay friends. However I do find the idea of sex between to men as pretty gross, but I don't consider that as homophobia really. I mean, the way butchers kill pigs before they slaughter them is gross, but I don't hate butchers.
 

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I'm a little homophobic. The environment I live in, unfortunately, would be pretty much a hellhole for homosexuals. This has led to a woefully sheltered life for me and my peers. I wouldn't be shocked if some people I know are closeted, but as for open homosexuality....yeah, it's really scarce. Don't get me wrong, it's not like I love gay people any less than everyone else. No, it's just that, because of my background, I'd be kinda uncomfortable when confronted with it. At school, I do try to combat the shameless, status-quo homophobia that is regularly exhibited by my classmates in what they think are subtle ways....
 

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I have no problem whatsoever with homosexuals, however the really camp/girly ones can get on my nerves.

Other than that, i'm fine with it. I can't say the same for other people at my school though...
 

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If I knew more gay people I'd be more used to them, but I haven't so every time I meet one I instantly feel happy about it because it gives me a chance to work them out and try to understand a little better. I have a fair understanding of homosexuality from hearing what other people say, from books, internet forums, etc. but first hand experience is the only thing that I really trust, so until I've personally worked them out for myself then I'm remaining neutral on the subject. They're just people as far as I'm concerned until something can prove otherwise.
 

Mr0llivand3r

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While I don't hate butt-pirates but I will say this:


people often forget that half of the word "homophobia" is "phobia", which means "a fear of something"

just because you dislike something does not mean you're afraid of it. It's such a fucking pompous, childish, liberal thing to just cross your arms, roll your eyes, and say, "You're just afraid of it"

That's like someone disliking shellfish and their friend telling them, "You're such a crustaceaophobe"...

"Um... no? I just don't like shellfish. I don't distance myself from meals consisting of crustaceans because I'm afraid of them, I do because I simply don't like them"

As I said before, I'm not homophobic. But hypothetically I won't distance myself from gay people because I'm afraid of them. I would just not like them.
 

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Not in the slightest, doesn't bug me at all, though I will sometimes find myself giggling like a school girl at the really camp ones arguing...
 

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Thaius said:
From an evolutionary perspective, it makes little to no sense; at the very least, the existence of a "gay gene" (meaning some sort of biological reason why a person is gay; no idea why the word "gene" is part of the term) is completely unfounded. Evolution progresses when a small mutation happens, and if that mutation is beneficial and helps the creature survive, it will, and it will mate and spread its mutation. So let's say that, somewhere back in the history of evolution, an animal received the "gay gene." It would be incapable of reproduction. Animals, acting on instinct based on their biology, would not have the sense to know, "If I want evolution to continue, I should reproduce;" they would simply do what they are biologically programmed to do. If they are programmed to have sex with the same gender, they would only be rejected by the rest of the pack unless another animal of the same gender had the same mutation (which, considering the already astronomical odds against these "beneficial mutations" in the first place, is more than unlikely); but even if they do find a partner, the "gay gene" would not spread. Beyond that, contrary to popular belief, homosexuality cannot be caused by genetics alone; it is dependent on many social and environmental concerns. Even the studies regarding biological homosexuality admit this. The point to all this is that there are many good reasons why any sort of biological need to be gay can be doubted, and even denied outright. Again, this is not all the information, so you can come to a different conclusion, but this is more than a valid argument.
I decided only to deal with this one point, as genetics is my forte. While your scenario does apply to basic Mendelian genetics, there are many other possibilities. Non-Mendelian genetics are much trickier and widespread in humans.

Homosexuality could be the result of complex interaction of several genes and epigenetic triggers. Homosexuality could be a rare negative consequence to genes that are otherwise positive. In these cases, the net benefit of homosexuals genes outweighs the reproductive loss of the few homosexual children.

There are plenty of ways for homosexuality to be caused by genetics, epigenetics and other biological pathways. I think there's almost certainly a genetic component. We also find homosexuality in non-social animals, like dragonflies and fruit flies.
 

SulfuricDonut

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I don't mind at all if someone is homosexual, as long as homosexual guys don't start hitting on me... then I would probably edge away from them.
 

DannibalG36

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Homophobic is an inaccurate term. Some people don't FEAR homosexuals. Instead, said people are utterly REVOLTED by them. Fear and revulsion are two different things. Just saying.