Poll: Autism. Bad or Good?

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EeveeElectro

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Academically, probably very good.
Socially, not so much.

The person we live with has Aspergers and just plays on it all the time. You'd think he was brain damaged if you met him.
My nephew also has it and is no where near as bad. He doesn't like playing with other children, but will always help his older siblings with homework.
From what I gather, Autistic people can be very intelligent, but have absolutely no common sense.
 

Pholark

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Yes Yes, I know you've been flamed for how wrong you've been many times over already, but let me put in MY two cents. My Dad works with Autistic children in High School. Some of the children are smarter than he is. However, all the children he's supervised didn't come into the Special Needs class recently. In fact, ALL of them have been in the classes since around their Kindergarten years. So, besides science proving it, I have a real-life example for you. "Expired" mercury from Vaccines CANNOT give you Autism.
Now, whether or not it's good or bad is to be decided upon by the family of the child. If you say your brother is somewhat sociable, Xbox, Family, etc. then whose to say is a bad thing? From my point of view, seeing Special Needs people just all around, alone, I'd say it isn't a bad thing, just a sad thing to see.
 

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DELTA x WOLF said:
I'm going to start off saying this "My little brother has autism", he wasn't born with it he was given a vaccine-
I pretty much just stopped reading there.
 

sirkai007

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DELTA x WOLF said:
I'm going to start off saying this "My little brother has autism", he wasn't born with it he was given a vaccine when he was 2 years old to help him from receiving the flu, but all of the vaccines in that year had expired and had mercury inside of all of the expired bottles and effected hundreds of kids within those years.
The doctor who first stated that vaccinations caused autism was banned from practicing medicine in the UK earlier this year because he fabricated the results of his study. Later he was banned by the AMA as well. You can read about it if you care to.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/brain-and-behavior/articles/2010/05/24/health-buzz-autism-vaccine-doctor-stripped-of-medical-license.html
 

Hashime

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That statement is demonstrably false. The mercury compounds used in vaccines though completely harmless were phased almost completely around 2000 in the states and part of Europe in childhood vaccines because of people like you. It is not even in every vaccine administered in childhood, so the chances the shots your brother received contained mercury are not 100%. Please research and use logical thinking before reaching a conclusion, not being vaccinated for diseases such as the ones a young child is vaccinated for like measles, tetanus, etc. is much more dangerous than the invented risk of autism.
Oh, and bad. Autism is bad, as it alienates an individual from the rest of society. People with autism perceive the world differently, meaning their life experience, decision making structures, and social guidelines are different. It unfortunately makes it very difficult for an affected individual to operate within our picture of a "normal" society, forcing the autistic to not be who they are.
 

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DELTA x WOLF said:
I'm going to start off saying this "My little brother has autism", he wasn't born with it he was given a vaccine when he was 2 years old to help him from receiving the flu, but all of the vaccines in that year had expired and had mercury inside of all of the expired bottles and effected hundreds of kids within those years.

My younger brother learned how to speak speak 3 language(Spanish,French,German)by watching is favorite movies in different languages ,is doing 9Th grade math, reading 12Th grade books and hes only 10 years old, but he has no social skills. The only people he "enjoys" hanging out with is family, but he also enjoys playing on Xbox LIVE with his online friends. We found out when he was 4 that he has Aspergers syndrome

Asperger syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder. Children with the condition want to know everything about their topic of interest, and their conversations with others will be about little else. Other characteristics include problems with nonverbal communication, clumsy and uncoordinated motor movements, and the inability to interact successfully with peers. Treatment involves social skills training, cognitive behavioral therapy, medication for coexisting conditions, and other measures.

So my question is. Is Autism good because of the learning boost or bad because they don't have any social time because they cant deal with others?
How the fuck does autism give you a learning boost?? My nephew has autism so he still cannot speak fluently and he's almost 4.
 

A Curious Fellow

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This has got to be a troll thread. No one could be this much of a fucking idiot, right? Someone tell me that OP is just playing with us.

Getting autism from a vaccine... you gotta be a goddamn Playmate to think that makes any fucking sense.
 

Sleepingzombie

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I am a personal assistant that works with a child who has autism ( light version that fluctuates like other versions). We have fun like any other people and I dont think she is different fom "normal" kids.

Though in response: it depends on the version and the situation, if you have a type that enable you to function socialy it works but can be a big problem if a person cannot function in social life. Now you may find a solution like on x-box live and make it work out.

I would say its good if you can adapt to suit the needs.(not really but you need to pick one right)?
 

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It's a bit of a balance. On the one hand, a lot of autistic people are fucking brilliant. On the other hand, they have trouble communicating that brilliance do to the lacking social skills. But at the same time, some autistic people are rather personable, and some of the nicest people you'll ever meet.
 

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Pirate Kitty said:
DELTA x WOLF said:
He wasn't born with it he was given a vaccine when he was 2 years old to help him from receiving the flu, but all of the vaccines in that year had expired and had mercury inside of all of the expired bottles and effected hundreds of kids within those years.
They have disproved this SO MANY TIMES.

Drives me mad to hear it.

You get more mercury eating a single piece of tuna.
Good God, yes. Gotta love conspiracy theories and teh powah uf MEMEZ!
 

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I would have thought a site dedicated to gaming culture is perhaps not the best place to be asking for advice and opinions on psycological disorders. Try Psych Central or a similer site. The people there will be better equiped to answer any questions you have.

http://forums.psychcentral.com/
 

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DELTA x WOLF said:
So my question is. Is Autism good because of the learning boost or bad because they don't have any social time because they cant deal with others?
i think only like 5% of sufferers have a learning benefit from autism, and i know some people who think every person with autism is like rain man but in most cases it causes massive learning difficulties, my girlfriend works in a special needs school in a class with autism and a lot struggle to read, write and perform basic tasks with no real benefit of having the syndrome

the thing is having together autism and aspergers as a single thing -

*No one with severe autism has a high IQ unless you are talking about savant syndrome, which is a special form (like aspergers) that gets lumped in there.*

*Everyone on there had aspergers, at best. Autistic and having aspergers are very inappropriate to correlate. I have many, many friends with aspergers and the only difference is that you have to be honest and straight with them- they do not catch onto subtlety. I also have family with Autism and they cannot function.*

I wont even go into the whole *vaccines give you autism* thing because thats been widely discredited
 

GingerCactus

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I have aspergers and I am honestly completely on the fence.
I like the academic boost, but I hate my lack of social skills, whenever I'm alone with somebody there's this awkward silence and I keep thinking "say something, anything, just make conversation" but I can't.
I would like to have those social skills, but then I'd lose the intelligence, which I enjoy having.
It really is a "commit suicide or die" scenario, though obviously not to the same extreme. Having and not having aspergers, to me, is a lose/lose or win/win depending on your perspective.
 

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sirkai007 said:
DELTA x WOLF said:
I'm going to start off saying this "My little brother has autism", he wasn't born with it he was given a vaccine when he was 2 years old to help him from receiving the flu, but all of the vaccines in that year had expired and had mercury inside of all of the expired bottles and effected hundreds of kids within those years.
The doctor who first stated that vaccinations caused autism was banned from practicing medicine in the UK earlier this year because he fabricated the results of his study. Later he was banned by the AMA as well. You can read about it if you care to.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/brain-and-behavior/articles/2010/05/24/health-buzz-autism-vaccine-doctor-stripped-of-medical-license.html

OKay hold on, you said he fabricated his research, but all I see is him being banned because of immoral practices, simply put. You can't ban research because of immorality, all those nazi experiments that jumped our medicine ahead 30-50 years would have been banned to.
 

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dastardly said:
WOPR said:
dastardly said:
(Oh, also, because you came to a video game site, be prepared for a mega-malillion self-diagnosed "Asperger's" cases to tell you all about how it is.)
Who the heck would do something like that?

seriously when did it become something people title themselves with?

I just don't get when that started, it's sick and wrong...
Are you really so surprised? It happens with a host of mental disorders. It's almost never intentional, but people subconsciously assign themselves these disorders and stand by it firmly. People use them for two "benefits":

1) Surrendering Responsibility. The selected disorder comes with a particular behavior, or set of behaviors, for which the person can now claim they are not responsible.

2) Entitlement. The selected disorder also entitles the person to additional attention, or some side-effect label that is favorable.


Similarly, these disorders themselves are usually selected for two reasons:

1) They are hard to verify (or disprove). You can't fake a missing limb, but you can fake certain mental disorders, and no one can definitively tell you you're lying. They have no choice but to take what you say at face value.

2) They often come with a "trap door" built right into the disorder. Many disorders also come with a different or "milder" form that allows the person to claim the aforementioned "benefits" without having to accept the associated drawbacks.


In the case of Asperger's Syndrome, the benefits are that a person is no longer responsible for rude, abrasive, socially-unacceptable behavior (It's the disorder!), but they also can artificially label themselves as highly intelligent. Even if they're genuinely highly intelligent, this label gives their claim more weight than a possibly equally-intelligent person with no such label.

Asperger's is a candidate for this fakery because it is (#1) hard to verify or disprove. A person can simply claim to have "very high functioning Asperger's," meaning that they don't have to demonstrate much in the way of symptoms, except those they find favorable at a given moment. It's a "buffet disorder." Take what you like, leave the rest, and who's to say otherwise?

OTHER EXAMPLES:

"Clinical" Depression - These people are always keen to use the word "clinical" as a way of saying, "You may not argue this point or assign any responsibility to me." This is despite there having been no medical tests to prove there is any sort of chemical imbalance. You can't disprove them, and they have a license to get free attention from anyone by having the saddest sob story at any given moment.

Bipolar or Manic-Depressive - All of the benefits of claiming depression, but without the burden of having to be depressed all the time. You can be impulsive and rash, as well. But the bottom line is that if people are negatively impacted by your mood, that's just tough--it's not your responsibility, you have a disorder.

ADD/ADHD - I don't have to do anything I don't like, or pay attention to you, because I have a chemical imbalance for which I have had no chemical testing. You can't prove I don't have it, and it doesn't mean I'm dumb or have any sort of drawbacks. I can selectively choose when to pay attention or when not to, with complete freedom--it's the disorder!

SPECIAL NOTES:

- I know these are actual conditions that actual people have. I also know that diagnostic techniques are spotty at best, so plenty of people are able (and willing) to get a rushed diagnosis in order to excuse behavior by using the misfortune of others. There are real examples, and there are many, many fakers. This does not detract from the reality of the disorder itself.

- The fact that a medication "works" is not proof that there was a disorder, and is not an acceptable diagnostic methods. That's like me saying that, because I feel better after having a Twinkie and a glass of scotch, I must have depression that is linked to a Twinkie-scotch deficiency in my brain. Diagnosis comes before treatment, and it takes a long time and a lot of observation. Phony, armchair diagnosis is the only kind you can get on short notice.

- I'll repeat: In the majority of cases, I don't think people do this intentionally. I don't think they know that they're doing it for attention or excuses, but that doesn't make it any less true. The subconscious is powerful, especially in the sort of people already willing to surrender responsibility for their own behavior to a hollow label--these are the sort that were already predisposed to letting the subconscious "take over."
You are awesome. There also the people who claim to be psychotic or schizophrenic or something to sound like their favorite anime character.

People who have autism are rarely any more intelligent than an average person, that's something driven into our society by things like Rain Man. There is rarely someone with high-functioning autism that excels in some specific field, But as a whole, I don't see why a disorder that will often make language use impossible is of any benefit to the world.
 

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TheUnchosenOne said:
Lord Kloo said:
And people don't get it from the flu jabs etc, the top scientists reckon it is caused by a kind of selective virus, a bit like cancers, and only some are born with a DNA capable of supporting the autism 'virus'.. I'm not a scientist so I might be wrong..
Neither cancer nor autism is caused by any kind of virus. It's genetic.
Not entirely true. There are some viruses that cause genetic damage in such a way as to trigger cancers down the road -- that's the primary reason we now have that vaccine against two particular strains of genital HPV, cervical cancer is strongly correlated with infection from one of those two otherwise asymptomatic strains of HPV. (If you are wondering why I stressed genital HPV, all warts are caused by some strain of HPV [as well as many strains that are completely asymptomatic], though most strains are specific about where they can infect.)
 

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Pirate Kitty said:
They have disproved this SO MANY TIMES.

Drives me mad to hear it.

You get more mercury eating a single piece of tuna.
Prove it or gtfo
 

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I absolutely love having the crippling social anxiety, the constant self-checking nervousness and massive loneliness that autism brings. I, like most autistics, am NOT a savant and even if I were, I still don't think that the so-called "trade off" that many of you keep banging on about would be worth it. Seriously, do some of you think life is like an RPG, where everything has an upside and a downside that balances out?
 

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DELTA x WOLF said:
OK then how did a healthy child at birth become slow to learn until he was 6 and then out of nowhere have the education of a 11th grader at 10, he didn't get out of dippers until he was 5. Not bad parenting
I'm sure bad parenting has nothing to do with you thinking it's spelled dippers. Protip: Jenny McCarthy is full of shit. And just so we're clear, if by some retarded miracle what you and Jenny think is true, we should still vaccinate. Autism is better than measles any day of the week. So there's my answer for the thread: Autism is better than death.