Poll: Be yourself: bad advice?

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Condor219

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Think about the odd kids you knew growing up. The ones who didn't really quite grasp a good sense of humor, or who spoke up at inappropriate times in class, or in general conversation. I can guarantee you that those people were "being themselves". The problem is, they left out the part where inhibitions are used to aid social progress. Not that those socially shunned people did anything wrong (they all happened to be nerds, the ones I know, and people who could be otherwise congruent in many different social groups). They just disregarded what's going to spark positive conversation and go with whatever is on their mind regardless of whoever they're interacting with.

The big thing to know is that there are tiers of relationships with other people. You can't speak what's on your mind at every moment to everyone, because doing so to someone who's only an acquaintance will make that person think it's a much larger part of your personality than it really is. Only after establishing relations with others by talking about something more relatable and socially acceptable can you work into your more devout hobbies. Given, this time can take weeks, or hours, but it remains true almost all the time (the exception being if you know for a fact you share a hobby with someone else).

Bottom line: It's great advice. Just don't take it literally, or all the time.
 

Kair

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spikeyjoey said:
Kair said:
I don't see how you could be anyone other than yourself.
you just being pedantic... its like pretending to be a sporty douche when your really just a nerdy nice guy.. you may be one of those people who needs to speak their mind, but for some reason a group you interact with causes you to just mumble in agreement with what they say.. are they worth it?

you could be going down the philosophy route of saying the sense of self is an illusion, but i doubt it :p
The pedantic part only struck me as a joke after I wrote it. Thank you for trying to explain.
 

Maxtro

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As someone who has done poorly with women my entire life, "be yourself" is terrible advice.
 

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XHolySmokesX said:
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From what I understand of the phrase, 'Be yourself' has been corrupted by misunderstanding.

If someone is sitting at home, doing nothing but eating pizza and watching TV, all unemployed and riddled with depression and hatred, that is not them being themselves.

'Be yourself' is not literally keep doing what you're doing, it means to let the best of yourself shine.

Everybody has the ability to be great and do great things, that is who we are, however, most of us haven't realised who we are or what we want to do with our lives.

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I would also like to make a mention to everyone out there who has been bullied for who they are. I respect every one of you who stands up to those who shun you and says "I don't care what you think because this is me, deal with it".

Everyone who takes a beating for who they are, and carries on being who they are, those are the people paving the way to a future where people aren't segregated for being 'different'.

If nobody ever stood up for anything, nothing would change, so nothing could ever get better.

They say time if the best medicine, well time can't overcome every obstacle on its own =)
if everyone who tried to change something got killed before they could put out their message, nothing would change. I plan on standing up for myself, and everyone, for want of a less contradictory term, "like" me. I plan on becoming a film maker, and getting out the message that way. That doesn't involve getting killed because I dared to be different now, instead of the opportune time.
 

Indeterminacy

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XHolySmokesX said:
'Be yourself' is not literally keep doing what you're doing, it means to let the best of yourself shine.

Everybody has the ability to be great and do great things, that is who we are, however, most of us haven't realised who we are or what we want to do with our lives
I don't think this is right.

You are not your ideal self. You're not something that you're still trying to discover, or invent or reveal.

You see that person in the reflection of your monitor, reading this right now? You see the person sitting in the bedroom you are in right now, with the beliefs, dreams and attitudes you have right now, and the numerous weaknesses and failings you attribute to yourself?

That is you.

"Be yourself" means what it says. It means approaching situations as the person you really are. It means no smoke-screens, no facades or masks. It means showing the other person who you are. It means showing the other person the person I just referred to above, in exactly that sense.

Does that frighten you? Does the concept of the other person seeing you as someone who spends their time posting online, reading pseudo-philosophical postings by someone you only read because I'm on a board vaguely related to video games, make you worried that you'll never find someone?

Good. That fear is excellent. And admitting it is probably the most honest thing you've done all day.

Take that fear and let it drive you to change into someone you would rather be. Find hobbies you can talk about, go to unfamiliar places and do crazy things, meet weird people and gather experience. Cast off bad faith and breathe the free air of someone in control of their own destiny.

Maybe then, "being yourself" won't scare you so much.
 

Ampersand

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Sure if you want to be safe and homogeneous, that's your prerogative but I'll promise you you'll never be happy that way.
I thing "be yourself" is brilliant advise except I would probably add, "and be courageous".
 

BGH122

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Be yourself doesn't mean "Be yourself and everyone will like you" it means "Be yourself and only those with whom you'll genuinely get along will stick around". The best policy is to be (a slightly politer version of) yourself precisely because you'll find out pretty quickly who isn't going to make a good friend/partner, not because either one of you is 'wrong', but because not all personality types are compatible.

Be whatever the other person wants you to be and you'll find out a long way down the relationship that you hate your partner and your partner hates you.

Indeterminacy said:
Good. That fear is excellent. And admitting it is probably the most honest thing you've done all day.

Take that fear and let it drive you to change into someone you would rather be. Find hobbies you can talk about, go to unfamiliar places and do crazy things, meet weird people and gather experience. Cast off bad faith and breathe the free air of someone in control of their own destiny.

Maybe then, "being yourself" won't scare you so much.
I disagree. This philosophy basically says "if you don't feel comfortable that other people will accept your genuine interests then get different interests!" That sounds like the fast-track to depression. If you're scared that people won't accept your genuine interests then start hanging out with people who actually like the things you like.
 

ZeroChan

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I wish so desperately that I could be myself 100% of the time, but if my sweet caring extremely conservative parents knew what I was REALLY up to even half of the time, their brains would explode. So, yeah, there's a time and place for everything, unfortunately.
 

Metal Brother

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Be yourself. If this gets you into trouble it's probably a wake-up call that you're an asshole, and that you need to change the self you're being.
 

Nickolai77

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As i think the 2nd poster said, be yourself in social situations but within reason- use tact and caution. Sometimes we have to act a little differently, like perhaps when your at a job interview, one may have to pretend that they are actually super-confident and enjoy working in teams for the sake of getting the job. Or perhaps if it looks like someone's trying to start on you- it's best not to reveal any of your honest but different interests for you may give them a reason to kick off.


When i first read this thread i thought this was relating to relationship advise. I would say however that i'm fairly sceptical that "being yourself" get's you into relationships. If being yourself really constitutes as being confident, talkative, flirty and a keen sense of body language then fine, being yourself in that case will get you into a relationship. But if you yourself arn't all those things then i think many people will have to modify there forms of behaviour in order to get into a relationship.

So, expanding on what i said in the first paragraph, don't necessarily be yourself if you want to get that girl.
 

Talon_Skywarp

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If I acted like I normally do at work, I would be sacked. If I told my work collogues the mental things I tell my mates, I would never be spoken to again.

Sometimes you have to hold it back, its not hiding anything, its not laying your entire being on show for all to see.

Thats what facebook is for....
 

Zantos

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I think it should be revised to "Be yourself, but apply common sense". Don't try to lie to people about who you are, but make sure it's your good side that you put on show.
 

Hagi

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Tried not being myself for several years.

Eventually became suicidal.

Now being myself and much much happier.

The end.
 

Apollo45

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The issue with not being yourself is, more often than not, you seem fake to everyone around you. Likely because you are being fake. Telling someone to "be themselves" doesn't mean they go around everywhere talking about only the things they like and dismissing everything else. It means they don't pretend to be something their not.

For example, if you like anime, you shouldn't pretend you hate it just to get somewhere. That said, there are points where you might not want to bring up that you do like anime; that doesn't mean you're not being yourself, it means you're being tactful. You can be yourself and keep things to yourself at the same time. Another example would be if you have a foot fetish. You don't bring that up on a first date; again, it's being tactful, not not being yourself (woo double negatives!). Similarly, I don't walk in to bar and yell out that I love video games. If it comes up in conversation, I'll mention it, but it's not something you just go and bring up with everyone you come across.

There are definitely issues to not being yourself; you end up with people you don't like, you seem fake, you often get depressed and so on. But yelling out to the world that you are in love with an anime character probably isn't a good idea. Yet another example, I had a friend in high school who was a huge nerd, and advertised it. The people he hung out with liked him for it; didn't matter that he was overweight, not the best looking, or whatever, he was who he was and he was a good kid. However, not a month after he went off to college he started acting cocky; he'd call random girls "sexy" out of nowhere, he started talking like the stereotypical preppy kid, and so on. I hung out with him and his 'new friends' at one point, and when he was off doing something else his 'new friends' said that I was a lot cooler than they thought I'd be; they figured I'd be acting like my buddy was, being fake and whatnot. His old friends had started seeing him as weird and not at all 'him' as well. In the end, being someone he wasn't lost him old friends and didn't really gain him any new ones.

I learned very early on to be myself, and it's worked for me. I'm a huge nerd, an Eagle Scout, was in the Marching Band for six years (four of high school, two of college), played video games, watched anime, and so on. The first couple years of middle school I hated, but that was because I was hanging out with people I didn't like who didn't enjoy the same things I did and who I couldn't talk to about any of that sort of thing. Once I started hanging out with people I had things in common with I started enjoying things a lot more. The odd thing was that I kept hanging out with the other people, and started talking more about nerdy stuff with them, making random references and whatnot, and most of them didn't care in the slightest. A couple of them made fun of me for a bit, but that stopped when the others started leaving them out of stuff and whatnot because they were being dicks.

By the end of school I had friends who played football, a ton of friends in the band, friends in the stoner crowd (a surprising amount of them actually...), I hung out with a few cheerleaders on a regular basis, had my own group of friends who I went shooting with, and so on. They all knew who I was and appreciated me for being me, but I had to appreciate them for who they were too, which is where a lot of people seem to go wrong on this advice. I had to know when to go super-nerd and when to hold back a bit. There were friends I could do that with, and friends who would give me looks of confusion and then just go back to whatever else it was we were doing. I was always myself, but I had to appreciate my friends' interests when I spent time with them as much as they had to appreciate mine when they spent time with me. If I was hanging out with the jocks I avoided the Star Wars talks except in passing references (which some of them understood), and tended to play football or go to the gym more often than with my other friends. It's all a part of being yourself, but it's not all about you.

TL;DR:
Being yourself is always good advice, but you have to understand that some people won't appreciate you for doing so. Hang out with people that do. At the same time, you have to appreciate others for being themselves; don't force your thoughts on someone who appreciates who you are but doesn't like all the same things you do. Stick to the stuff you have in common, and build your friendship off of that.
 

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It depends on the situation.
I mean like meeting new people who would become friends then yes be yourself but if it is with a possibility of being in a new job then you don't tell them everything.
 

teisjm

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"Beeing yourself" doens't nececerily mean pushing your personality in the faces of people you know will dislike it, nor blindly expect everyone to accept you for who you are.

It simply means not beending over backwards to please people who want you to be different, or won't accept you the way you are, but just recognising that they probably not gonna be your new best friends, and stop trying to please them.

Beeing yourself is beeing independent enough to not need the acceptence of people who dislikes you for who you are, not beeing stubborn enough to think that they'll come to like you if you just keep flaunting your personality, which they don't like, in their faces, and not beeing so socially depentant that you'll change yourself to your own dislike, for the sake of others aproval.
 

Sion_Barzahd

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Yes being yourself might not get everyone to love you, but being someone you're not is even worse, because then people would like you for something you arent and if they do find out who you really are, then they might cut you loose.

Personally i am proud of being myself. I don't try and be something i'm not mainly cause i'm terrible at it. xD
Being myself got me a lot more than being someone else would've.

Conclusion: Being yourself is great advice. Unless yourself is a sex offender or some kind of purple shirted eye stabber....
 

Kryzantine

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I'm going to say there are situations where full-blown honesty is not the best answer.

Take religion, for instance. I am not religious at all. I mean, I'm very much a spiritual person, I know how to handle internal crises and I'm a godsend for some of my friends because of that. But I don't like using a book to do so. I'm not going to quote the Bible, because that's just not me. But just because I don't believe in God as defined thus far by society, doesn't mean I will be at odds with religious people. I respect priests, I respect people going to church on Sunday morning, I respect my friends who go to mosque - I don't have that similarity, yet we get along just fine. Those people choose those times to settle themselves spiritually, and it should be criminal to interrupt another being when they are settling themselves spiritually, and for a reason such as, "I don't personally believe in that", it's still messing with others.

And really, "being yourself" means not letting people get to you. You're not going to believe in God because people tell you to believe in him. You're not going to play football just because people tell you to. You're going to do what makes you happy; but at the same time, you don't have to be dissing the religious people or the football players just because that's not your thing. They have their own thing and you have to respect that, but they will respect whatever you decide to do. Just don't go blaring off about your own choice.

And if the community doesn't support it even if you are respectful about it... well, that's one fucked up community. There aren't many things people will prioritize over respect. I've been considered one very weird person, even in my school, but people loved me because I respected the whole lot of them, and I didn't stir up shit. When a person does that, it shouldn't matter what they believe in, except if their acting on those beliefs fucks up the community.

In short, "be yourself" is great advice, but they should follow that up with the crucial point, "keep your ego in check".
 

similar.squirrel

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You have to get the balance right. Being comfortable with yourself is one thing, but being individualistic to the point where you can't integrate properly with others around you is just stupid. We are social animals.