Poll: BvS - Batman can never win!

[SonOfVoorhees]

No flame war commments, this is about the movie and not the comic. Both medias are different. In comics Batman is more superhuman where as in the movies he is a human. After watching the trailer where Batman says "Can you bleed?.....You soon will" or something similiar. I wonder if they will do something like in 300 (another Snyder movie) and Batman will be beaten but will make Superman bleed.....even if its a small cut.

I like this ending if they do it. It makes Batman look great for standing up to Superman without being over powered. An also keeps Supermans character unharmed as well as he never got beaten by a human. It would be like the ending of 300, losing a fight he could never win but proved to those that feared the god king Xerxes that he wasnt a god and bleed like humans.

I prefer this to a straight up win for Batman. So what do you think?

 

[Armadox]

Spoiler: I bet I know where this is going

Batman fighting down Superman.. I think I've read that somewhere..

 

[Queen Michael]

I'd say yeah, that sounds like a pretty decent ending. I say they should go for it.

Also, I hate to be a grammatical national socialist, but it's "media," not "medias." It's the plural of "medium."

 

[Evonisia]

That actually sounds good, but I'm getting the impression that Batman will be more of a silent rallying figure for humanity who seemed to have turned against Superman because of... reasons. I'm sorry, I never get why it seems rational to turn against a figure that saved your asses in the last film.

 

[HardkorSB]

From what it looks like, Batman will get into an Iron Man type suit to fight Superman so they're probably going to be more or less equal in terms of strength.

Spoiler: You can see the suit here

I would say that Batman is going to win and then some villain is going to use that as an opportunity to take action (it will probably be Luthor but there are rumors of a superpowered villain being in the movie).

 

[Armadox]

From what it looks like, Batman will get into an Iron Man type suit to fight Superman so they're probably going to be more or less equal in terms of strength.

Spoiler: You can see the suit here

I would say that Batman is going to win and then some villain is going to use that as an opportunity to take action (it will probably be Luthor but there are rumors of a superpowered villain being in the movie).

Spoiler: So, yah. How about that Dark Knight Returns?

exosuit Batman versus Superman... I'm beginning to think they really wanted to do a DKR movie, but couldn't let their precious continuity go before it started. Honestly, I don't see this one being very good, and I figure this'll probably sweep the whole thing under the carpet if they can't see that going to dark and gritty sucks the life out of these colorful characters..

 

[silver wolf009]

Also, did they even mention Kryptonite in MOS?

I do not think they did, no. Which always confused me, but I guess it would've been too easy to then beat the villains with it.

Batman should never be able to win this match up, if we're being honest, and all it would have taken in the Dark Knight Rises for Superman to turn the tide would be a single minute spent above the atmosphere, in brighter sunlight. Basically, Batman wins because of either truely ingenious writing, or absolutely cement drinking levels stupid writing. I'm willing to bet it'll be the second one we see in BvS.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

Considering Man Of Steel's shitty script, today's media that it's all a popularity contest and saying Batman should win because bizzare ideology... Batman will probably win.

Also, did they even mention Kryptonite in MOS?

The thing is, for the past decade or so Batman has been the overpowered one because his popularity has given him plot armour thicker than any Kryptonian skin.

Superman could squash Batman in a second. He could disable him faster than Batman could blink. Quicker than it would take for Kryptonite to have any effect. Superman is faster and stronger than any "contingency plan" Batman could possibly put in place, he is just as smart, if not smarter, and just as much a capable fighter, if not better than Batman. He has strength that Batman cannot come close to, even with mechanised powersuits.

But Superman can never win, because when push comes to shove in comics the stats don't matter. All that matters is who the writer wants to win, and Batman has always been more popular (Especially with Frank Miller.)

It's actually one of the reasons I like Superman so much, because compared to Batman He is the underdog in this match. Not due to any in-universe reason, but simply Word-Of-God decrees the Batman must best all opponents all the time because he is the Bat. And I don't like that.

I'm still very interested in how the film comes out, I just hope they don't do a straight fight mano e mano against the two, or have Batman constantly one-upping Superman in 'gotcha' moments to please the fanboys.

 

[Coach Morrison]

It's pretty funny that people reference the Dark Knight Returns, since Batman fights superman in a mech suit, after the latter was hit by an atomic bomb, with the help of another guy, while Superman refused to attack him.

Considering Man Of Steel's shitty script, today's media that it's all a popularity contest and saying Batman should win because bizzare ideology... Batman will probably win.

Also, did they even mention Kryptonite in MOS?

If I remember right before the movie came out Snyder or someone involved in with it said kryptonite would not exist because they wanted his emotions to be Superman's weakness or something like that.

 

[Winnosh]

Also, did they even mention Kryptonite in MOS?

I do not think they did, no. Which always confused me, but I guess it would've been too easy to then beat the villains with it.

Batman should never be able to win this match up, if we're being honest, and all it would have taken in the Dark Knight Rises for Superman to turn the tide would be a single minute spent above the atmosphere, in brighter sunlight. Basically, Batman wins because of either truely ingenious writing, or absolutely cement drinking levels stupid writing. I'm willing to bet it'll be the second one we see in BvS.

Actually all it would have taken for Superman to beat Batman in that story would be for Superman to actually WANT to win. He repeatedly stops fighting to give Bruce a chance to catch his breath. Hell when Bruce get's injured in the battle he actually stops again asking his friend to stop before he is forced to kill him.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

Considering Man Of Steel's shitty script, today's media that it's all a popularity contest and saying Batman should win because bizzare ideology... Batman will probably win.

Also, did they even mention Kryptonite in MOS?

The thing is, for the past decade or so Batman has been the overpowered one because his popularity has given him plot armour thicker than any Kryptonian skin.

Superman could squash Batman in a second. He could disable him faster than Batman could blink. Quicker than it would take for Kryptonite to have any effect. Superman is faster and stronger than any "contingency plan" Batman could possibly put in place, he is just as smart, if not smarter, and just as much a capable fighter, if not better than Batman. He has strength that Batman cannot come close to, even with mechanised powersuits.

But Superman can never win, because when push comes to shove in comics the stats don't matter. All that matters is who the writer wants to win, and Batman has always been more popular (Especially with Frank Miller.)

It's actually one of the reasons I like Superman so much, because compared to Batman He is the underdog in this match. Not due to any in-universe reason, but simply Word-Of-God decrees the Batman must best all opponents all the time because he is the Bat. And I don't like that.

I'm still very interested in how the film comes out, I just hope they don't do a straight fight mano e mano against the two, or have Batman constantly one-upping Superman in 'gotcha' moments to please the fanboys.

I wonder, and hope, the ending will be like 300. Batman wants to bleed Superman. To show he isnt a god and invincible. I would love that as an ending. Batman can not win in a fight as it ruins both characters. But a win that makes superman human even though Batman loses benefits both characters.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Batman can never lose.

He was given the most powerful superpower of all: Plot Armor and Fanboy love.

If you put Spiderman against Superman, no one would even consider it a contest. Spiderman is literally 20 times stronger than Batman, he can move in ways that no regular human can emulate without severe damage to their bodies, he's a genius as well, and he has spider sense.

You know what people would say? "Even if Spiderman's sense would fire off, there's no way he could move fast enough to get out of the way of someone who can move at the speed of light"

They are right.

Iron Man's suit is made of human material. Probably some of the most durable material known to man. And Tony is a genius too. But Superman's strength level is now pushing the earth's weight. And lest we forget, yes, Superman is also a genius. It would be a scuffle, but Superman could outlast the power of Iron Man's suit. Not to mention the human fatigue. Not to mention move faster than Tony and hit with the force of a literal meteor if Supes got it in his mind to do so.

We are talking about a man who can literally stand on the Sun to give him more power.

Batman works out more than most people.

Yet the power of Plot Armor and Fanboy Love will convince all these fanboys that even though he doesn't have superhuman speed, and beings with superhuman speed aren't as fast as Superman... he will be able to elude or dodge Superman's strikes. Or some how divert the muscles that can shatter mountains because he knows how to position his body. Oh really? Can Batman do that with trucks as well?

This is a laughable contest for literally 98% of super powered characters out there, but because it's a man in a bat suit, people are literally ignoring everything possible to make it a contest.

And why? Because they love Batman. Ironically so, because a lot of them say "Because Batman is more believable". They will root for their believable hero so much that they will give him extraordinary powers to keep up with literal Gods because they don't want to be wrong with who they back.

And there are A LOT of these fans.

Even if it's a close battle and Batman loses. Even if there is a little bit of Super blood spilled by him... it's a landslide victory for Batman. Because they made a movie on the topic of what should be the most one sided fight ever and expect people to actually wonder who will win. And lo and behold, people are.

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*King Snippage*

Holy Hell, Bat Fans. Ninja'd by a Ninja in a Half Shell. I'll take pride in that.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

Considering Man Of Steel's shitty script, today's media that it's all a popularity contest and saying Batman should win because bizzare ideology... Batman will probably win.

Also, did they even mention Kryptonite in MOS?

-snip-

I wonder, and hope, the ending will be like 300. Batman wants to bleed Superman. To show he isnt a god and invincible. I would love that as an ending. Batman can not win in a fight as it ruins both characters. But a win that makes superman human even though Batman loses benefits both characters.

The main issue is that the majority of people expected to go see this movie will have never read a batman or superman comic, especially not the Dark Knight Rises (I myself have only read about a dozen BM/SM comics) And the majority of people will go to this movie expecting- No, Demanding a big no-holds-barred Battle royale between the two.

To rein either hero in, to weaken or nerf them will just be seen as a major cop out by the majority of the audience. The movie is advertised as Batman Verses Superman. The audience expect Batman to fight Superman, and if that doesn't make up a large portion of the movie itself then there will be outrage - And I'll bet the movie producer/director/script writer knows this.

We also have to remember that Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Lex Luthor will also be in this movie, so they will most likely have central roles to play in the verses dynamic. How this changes the plot I have no idea, but I think we simply have too little information to judge the movie at this stage.

It sounds unbalanced, it has never really worked before as a straight verses set up, and there seem to be a lot of loose threads that have to be woven in, and they seem to be going for a severely grimdark atmosphere. I have no idea how they are going to play this, so ultimately we may just have to wait until we see the movie and then cast judgement. It doesn't seem like it will work, but maybe we will be pleasantly surprised?

 

[Bizzaro Stormy]

Why not try something different? Superman VS Wonder Woman. Both have super strength, both know how to fight and both have various weaknesses that can be exploited depending on the continuity. Batman can use his fortune to buy the winner a solid Platinum statue.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

Considering Man Of Steel's shitty script, today's media that it's all a popularity contest and saying Batman should win because bizzare ideology... Batman will probably win.

Also, did they even mention Kryptonite in MOS?

-snip-

I wonder, and hope, the ending will be like 300. Batman wants to bleed Superman. To show he isnt a god and invincible. I would love that as an ending. Batman can not win in a fight as it ruins both characters. But a win that makes superman human even though Batman loses benefits both characters.

The main issue is that the majority of people expected to go see this movie will have never read a batman or superman comic, especially not the Dark Knight Rises (I myself have only read about a dozen BM/SM comics) And the majority of people will go to this movie expecting- No, Demanding a big no-holds-barred Battle royale between the two.

To rein either hero in, to weaken or nerf them will just be seen as a major cop out by the majority of the audience. The movie is advertised as Batman Verses Superman. The audience expect Batman to fight Superman, and if that doesn't make up a large portion of the movie itself then there will be outrage - And I'll bet the movie producer/director/script writer knows this.

We also have to remember that Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Lex Luthor will also be in this movie, so they will most likely have central roles to play in the verses dynamic. How this changes the plot I have no idea, but I think we simply have too little information to judge the movie at this stage.

It sounds unbalanced, it has never really worked before as a straight verses set up, and there seem to be a lot of loose threads that have to be woven in, and they seem to be going for a severely grimdark atmosphere. I have no idea how they are going to play this, so ultimately we may just have to wait until we see the movie and then cast judgement. It doesn't seem like it will work, but maybe we will be pleasantly surprised?

Maybe they will fight. An WW will grab Superman and Aquaman will grab Batman and they will see sense and band together. Is their a villian for them to team up against? Your comment spelled it out with all the problems. An i agree, we have to wait and see. But for now it seems a fun movie to watch.

 

[Evonisia]

Why not try something different? Superman VS Wonder Woman. Both have super strength, both know how to fight and both have various weaknesses that can be exploited depending on the continuity. Batman can use his fortune to buy the winner a solid Platinum statue.

My hope for the film is that Superman and Batman will show up for their first fight, and Wonder Woman will promptly come in and kick both of their arses before lecturing them on how stupid they were both being.

 

[Bizzaro Stormy]

Why not try something different? Superman VS Wonder Woman. Both have super strength, both know how to fight and both have various weaknesses that can be exploited depending on the continuity. Batman can use his fortune to buy the winner a solid Platinum statue.

My hope for the film is that Superman and Batman will show up for their first fight, and Wonder Woman will promptly come in and kick both of their arses before lecturing them on how stupid they were both being.

She'd better be careful if she starts using the Lasso of Truth to grab them before telling them to calm down. If she says the wrong thing they'll start spitting out their secret identities for all to hear.

 

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

Batman can beat an ethical superman who is holding back because he doesn't want to kill the Bat.

Superman might be able to move faster than Batman can see, but can he apprehend the Bat that fast without killing him? When superman fights normal people every move has to be carefully calculated. Deploy some hidden kryptonite at the right time and you've got him. Are we forgetting Supermans greatest enemy is Lex Luther? Also human, smart and rich as the batman but he don't know Kung fu!

If superman didn't give a shit about killing he could shoot Batman from space with his laser vision.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

This is why I loathe the DC universe. Contrived reasons for the most powerful being known to lose a fight.

Superman can destroy literally every form of life there is... But he's so super ethical... Bah. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

On the other hand due to the fans and plot armour, if Batman farts the entire DC universe could collapse.

I'll take my indestructible super beasts rage powered, and my billionaire super heros totally smashed in flying power armour thank you very much.

 

[Reasonable Atheist]

Why is everyone so down on Dark Knight Returns, and Frank Miller?

This is why I loathe the DC universe. Contrived reasons for the most powerful being known to lose a fight.

Superman can destroy literally every form of life there is... But he's so super ethical... Bah. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

On the other hand due to the fans and plot armour, if Batman farts the entire DC universe could collapse.

I'll take my indestructible super beasts rage powered, and my billionaire super heros totally smashed in flying power armour thank you very much.

Unfortunately not everything can be anime, exposition can totally cost you a fight. Especially when you are planning to fight your buddy pal friend who knows you like he knows himself, you have secret magic weaknesses, and your buddy pal friend knows you could kill him in less time then it takes your heart to beat.

Superman loses because he is the better man, Batman wins because he is willing to be as underhanded as any villain. Batman does not win a fight with superman, there is no fight. Batman defeats superman with cunning and treachery, something Lex has nearly done many times.

Why not try something different? Superman VS Wonder Woman. Both have super strength, both know how to fight and both have various weaknesses that can be exploited depending on the continuity. Batman can use his fortune to buy the winner a solid Platinum statue.

Why should they fight? Their ideologies are so compatible. Maybe they could go for some kinda contrived space arena scenario, or mind control of some kind? I would watch that.