Poll: Can an opinion be wrong?

[tofulove]

also pman, i would like to say you did a good job on the pull, 3 choices, yes no, mabye/i dont know, nice and simple with out any personal spin, the way a pull should be done, unlike the other 95% of the pulls on these forums were people add a lot of fluff and add spins to the answers which makes the results unreliable, like the yes being some thing dumb related to the pull but not a yes, like the bdsm one that cropped up today , there was no; yes no , or yes i prefer to be top, yes i prefer to be bottom,

in my opinion this thread wins in my books, just cause you did not fuck your pull up like every one else does.

 

[Substance-E]

#1 "Starbucks coffee is great!"

This is untestable and therefore an opinion free from right and wrong.

#2 "A majority of Americans think Starbucks coffee is great!"

This is theoretically entirely testable and is an opinion that can be proven wrong.

So yes, yes it can.

 

[Just Pman]

@OP:
All used arguments do of course have a general "correct" value - but since everyone can rate however he/she wants, there is no way to force how someone should rate - or in short: You cannot act in place of someone else. You are you, he is him.

(Just trying to understand what you're saying here) So since anything stated is only true/false to the person observing it, then what is "fact"?

 

[Icehearted]

I got into an internet debate with a pervert once that was of the opinion that it was okay to be sexually attracted to children as long as one didn't act on it. So yes, an opinion can be sick and wrong.

 

[smeghead25]

In my opinion, Hitler was a fat black Jewish (EDIT) homophobic homosexual extra-terrestrial gypsy female Jesus man.

EDIT: Oh I give up

 

[JWAN]

Misguided yes, but rarely wrong.

 

[tofulove]

I got into an internet debate with a pervert once that was of the opinion that it was okay to be sexually attracted to children as long as one didn't act on it. So yes, an opinion can be sick.

cant say hes wrong, but in my opinion he should be shot and killed if he ever acted on it thankfully violence trumps words in such matters.

child rapist first offense = death penalty, rapes first offense, prison time second offense = death penalty, that includes raping people in prison, if you rape some one in prison, death penalty if its your second offense.

 

[JWAN]

In my opinion, Hitler was a fat black Jewish woman.

You forgot homosexual, catholic, gypsy (or any religion really, as long as it wasn't worshiping him he was against it.)

 

[smeghead25]

I got into an internet debate with a pervert once that was of the opinion that it was okay to be sexually attracted to children as long as one didn't act on it. So yes, an opinion can be sick and wrong.

But that is morally okay. It's not like it's an urge that he chose to have. Yes it's sick and disturbed but it's not his fault and his opinion is that he's a good person as long as he doesn't act on those urges. I'd say he's right.

 

[tofulove]

In my opinion, Hitler was a fat black Jewish woman.

You forgot homosexual, catholic, gypsy (or any religion really, as long as it wasn't worshiping him he was against it.)

hitler was a black Jewish gypsy gay retarded disabled person.

p.s. hitler wasn't a fan of Christianity ether, and thought the catholic church influence is partly to blame for the Germans not taking over the world sooner, but he pandered to them a lot during the war, so not polar opposite enough for him to be it, in my opinion

 

[Littlee300]

Of course they can.

"My opinion is that people from New Zealand all have three legs".

That's not true. Yet it can still be an opinion.

Maybe not in THIS dimension.

The opinion "The laws of physics can be broken" is false no matter what I believe

 

[Nixzilla]

No

 

[Tdc2182]

It can be wrong as in wrong like "Babies are attractive"

 

[Xero Scythe]

Yes, especially if from Jack Thompson.

...Serious Joke aside, only if the opinion is on a stated fact. You can't disagree with me if my opinion is that french silk pie is better than apple pie (Though you can call me un-American)
However, you can say my opinion is wrong if I believe that all J-
Okay, nevermind. Even thinking that makes me sick.

Try this: You can say my opinion is wrong if I believe all people who live on islands to be technologically impaired idiots who managed to wreck themselves on an island after reading Robinson Crusoe. (Defier- Okinawa, Cuba, and technically, all the continents are really just massive islands.)

 

[Telen]

There's two classes of opinions: Valid and invalid.

A valid opinion has some basis in fact and is a reasonable conclusion that, while you may not personally agree, is understandable. So, say, I like using the fully upgraded shotgun in Bioshock 1 because it is an effective weapon with a visceral kick and some range and the specialty ammo is handy in a range of situations. My friend, on the other hand, goes full wrench-jockey, and spends a lot of tonics to optimize things that this works for him, and likes the feel of impact and likes blindsiding someone so they drop in one hit. Even though it is not my preferred style, I can understand his reasons for playing that way.

An invalid opinion is...oh, hating Metroid Prime 1 for not playing like Halo, or being in a bad mood because the sky is blue and hydrogen only has one electron. An invalid opinion may have no basis in fact, or in fact, contradict facts. If the facts cited as evidence can be proven to be objectively wrong, the opinion is invalid and it behooves you to revise your worldview so it more closely resembles reality.

 

[LastMondaysHangover]

Well if someone has an opinion that a human being can't die when his head is cut off, I would think that would be an opinion that is wrong.

....Wait, am I doing it wrong?

 

[smeghead25]

Yes, especially if from Jack Thompson.

...Serious Joke aside

That was a joke? I could swear that is fact.

I'm of the opinion that if anyone ever actually finds the stone tablets with the 10 Commandments on, the eleventh will say "Jack Thompson can suck thy divine cock and then go to Hell."

 

[tofulove]

Yes, especially if from Jack Thompson.

...Serious Joke aside, only if the opinion is on a stated fact. You can't disagree with me if my opinion is that french silk pie is better than apple pie (Though you can call me un-American)
However, you can say my opinion is wrong if I believe that all J-
Okay, nevermind. Even thinking that makes me sick.

Try this: You can say my opinion is wrong if I believe all people who live on islands to be technologically impaired idiots who managed to wreck themselves on an island after reading Robinson Crusoe. (Defier- Okinawa, Cuba, and technically, all the continents are really just massive islands.)

i was talking to a aussie he said australia was the worlds biggest island, i said what about the combined land mass of europe asia and africa, he said thats not a island, i said but the land mass is surrounded by water, he said its to big, i said who made that rule up, and went on to say if your continent had more than one country no one would ever call it a island.

 

[Imat]

Of course they can. If your opinion is that one race is inferior to another, your opinion is wrong.

Well, depends on what you mean by inferior. Overall, yeah, that opinion'd be wrong. However, races have both advantages and disadvantages. If every race in an rpg had the same stats, would anybody ever pick anything but dwarf? The answer is no, no they would not. Real world example: Being a white male in the US puts you in the "majority," with access to exclusive clubs just by being you, but it also means you're less likely to get a job (Unless it truly is based on merit, then its anybody's game), less likely to get scholarships for college, etc. Advantages and Disadvantages, but no character creation screen for you.

 

[Lyx]

@OP:
All used arguments do of course have a general "correct" value - but since everyone can rate however he/she wants, there is no way to force how someone should rate - or in short: You cannot act in place of someone else. You are you, he is him.

(Just trying to understand what you're saying here) So since anything stated is only true/false to the person observing it, then what is "fact"?

Most people think of "fact" as some general proof - bit like a "totally 'justified' thesis". For example, if a lot of people observe something, some may claim that it's proven/fact. But "in fact" ( *g* ), it is simply what these people perceived and typically also interpreted. Or to raise the bet even higher: Let's say i claim "true = true".... thats a tautology, so logically it MUST be right.

And yet, i could just say "No - that's false"... of course, its impossible that i can actually apply such a break of logics in all my thougths in everyday life - i cannot really life up to that - but i can "claim" anything. Thats what i was trying to get at: Just because something makes sense, i don't have to accept that - i can just ignore or reject it. And there is no one who can force me to do it right, or wrong -> lack of universal judge.

So, in short: Yes, in the context of certain available info, there are theses that are generally right/wrong/true/untrue - but there is none that says or enforces this generic right/wrong/true/untrue.... its up to a consciousness to analyse and decide that.