Poll: Can suicide be rational?

[Jharry5]

I've felt like that a few times, but at the lowest ebb, something stopped me. It was my family; I rationalised how something like that would effect them, and I couldn't do it.
The circumstances that made me feel like that changed for the better.
Had I not been so rational about it...

I believe its not a rational thing. I can understand the mentality, but in the end, suicide is a permenant solution to a (usually) temporary problem.

 

[lwm3398]

look at it this way. you split into 2 people. one has a gun,one's suicidal. one with gun kills you both. the corpses become you again.

what i'm getting at is that it's the taking of an innocent life. it's murder. it's sin. it's a one way first class ticket to hell.

Not everyone believes in that though.

but if you kill a suicidal person,is it not still murder? if you say to a judge "he was gonna do it anyways" would you still not be sentenced to jail or a death penalty? it's murder, no matter what.

 

[Kstreitenfeld]

Rational person:
I've lost my house, my job, my family, there's nowhere for me to go. *Kills self*

It's possible.

Get a new job then new house, make new friends.
No one needs to die.

 

[Nmil-ek]

look at it this way. you split into 2 people. one has a gun,one's suicidal. one with gun kills you both. the corpses become you again.

what i'm getting at is that it's the taking of an innocent life. it's murder. it's sin. it's a one way first class ticket to hell.

Not everyone believes in that though.

but if you kill a suicidal person,is it not still murder? if you say to a judge "he was gonna do it anyways" would you still not be sentenced to jail or a death penalty? it's murder, no mater what.

Not if its assisted suicide no, and the other person has given you full legal consent/taken responsibility for what will happen in an audiable or written contract.

 

[Dyloss]

look at it this way. you split into 2 people. one has a gun,one's suicidal. one with gun kills you both. the corpses become you again.

what i'm getting at is that it's the taking of an innocent life. it's murder. it's sin. it's a one way first class ticket to hell.

If you believe in that sort of a thing..

 

[Hazy]

Hmm...
No.

Rational person:
"My life is awful."
Solution:
"Where's the liquor cabinet?"

Insane person:
"My life is awful."
Solution:
"Let's end it all on a low note."
Logic:
"Were you just not going to consult me on this?"

*Downs whiskey botlle* Alcoholism FTW!!!!!

So you're the one who's been stealing my booze!

Ermmmm *falls over* it was the errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm cookie monster!!!!!!!!! , yeah it was the cookie monster the damn theif!!!!

Hmm and he's in rehab for that cookie addiction too... Sneaky blue Bastard.

 

[Kstreitenfeld]

you would hate to be rich now thats bull

You don't need to be rich to be happy. Just enough to keep you going / entertain yourself.

 

[Beffudled Sheep]

look at it this way. you split into 2 people. one has a gun,one's suicidal. one with gun kills you both. the corpses become you again.

what i'm getting at is that it's the taking of an innocent life. it's murder. it's sin. it's a one way first class ticket to hell.

Not everyone believes in that though.

but if you kill a suicidal person,is it not still murder? if you say to a judge "he was gonna do it anyways" would you still not be sentenced to jail or a death penalty? it's murder, no mater what.

Oh... sorry, I misread your post.
Edit: Did I misread your post? Im confused. Damn insomnia!

 

[lwm3398]

look at it this way. you split into 2 people. one has a gun,one's suicidal. one with gun kills you both. the corpses become you again.

what i'm getting at is that it's the taking of an innocent life. it's murder. it's sin. it's a one way first class ticket to hell.

Not everyone believes in that though.

but if you kill a suicidal person,is it not still murder? if you say to a judge "he was gonna do it anyways" would you still not be sentenced to jail or a death penalty? it's murder, no mater what.

Not if its assisted suicide no, and the other person has given you full legal consent/taken responsibility for what will happen in an audiable or written contract.

true, but i still do believe it's murder. suicide i believe is for people too lazy to just try and not do it. it's a lack of will to get your life on track and rationalism that makes you do it.

 

[IamSARAhearMYgrr]

Sometimes antidepressants themselves are the cause of worse depression, resulting in suicide. Not always a person's fault if the chemicals in thier brain are managed incorectly is it?

 

[Contun]

I don't think that suicide is rational at all.....

 

[Dyloss]

What if you living will cause thousands of deaths? Wouldn't it be a rational thing to kill one self? if it saved the lives of others?

 

[spuddyt]

Hmm...
No.

Rational person:
"My life is awful."
Solution:
"Where's the liquor cabinet?"

Insane person:
"My life is awful."
Solution:
"Let's end it all on a low note."
Logic:
"Were you just not going to consult me on this?"

but what if his problem is liquor?

Down more?

 

[WinkyTheGreat]

Yes.
"I've been diagnosed with Alzheimers and there is no cure. It will only get worse until I forget everyone I know and love." says a perfectly rational person. "Rather than being a burden on them, I'm going to go into the garage, close the doors, and start the car..."
I've heard a story of this happening from somebody at work (I take the story with a grain of salt of course but he seems to be one of the more reliable people there). I'd say in a situation like this, it would be very rational.

 

[lwm3398]

What if you living will cause thousands of deaths? Wouldn't it be a rational thing to kill one self? if it saved the lives of others?

no. i don't believe that that is the case in most suicides. and how are they to know they'd cause thousands of deaths?

 

[Nmil-ek]

What if you living will cause thousands of deaths? Wouldn't it be a rational thing to kill one self? if it saved the lives of others?

Depends should I care for the lifes of thousands of others at my own expense, cold as that may be thats rationality to its core thinking outside of survival is the realm of human emotion/subconsious desires and is irrational in itself.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Hmm...
No.

Rational person:
"My life is awful."
Solution:
"Where's the liquor cabinet?"

Insane person:
"My life is awful."
Solution:
"Let's end it all on a low note."
Logic:
"Were you just not going to consult me on this?"

There are more situations then that. Most of the time it's indeed like you put it, and then it's indeed far from logical. But look at the following example: a man has some kind of incurable disease, and has 6 months to live, spends more time unconcious then awake and when he's awake he's in incredible pain. He has no family left (say, died from the same disease) and isn't married. Why on earth would he wait those 6 months?

 

[Mstrswrd]

Yes, there is a stage where it becomes raional. People who are in extremem never-ending pain (for whatever reason), or very sick with cancer at such a stage that they will not get better. Occasionaly, a so-called miracle happens and a person will recover from some kind of terminal cancer at a stage where they shouldn't, but exceptions are just that, exceptions, and shouldn't really be factored into the decisions unless they stop being exceptions.

EDIT: I feel like I repeated myself in this post. Too tired to figure it out right now. Sorry.

 

[Doug]

Yes it can.
Terminately ill person:
"Crap, I have 4 weeks to live, 2 of which will be horribly painful"
Solution:
"Live to the full over the first 2 weeks, then kill myself"

Better solution:
Live to the fullest over the next four weeks, and make sure everyone is miserable to see me die, therefore ensuring I am remembered for years to come.

You've never seen someone dying of terminal cancer, have you?