Poll: Can suicide be rational?

[chronobreak]

People say suicide is selfish. I say people that say that are selfish. How dare you try to dictate someone's continued exstence because you can't deal with death. I hate people like that. We are all born into this world under the same circumstance, that we will someday die, and it's good to have control over that.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

I actually do believe suicide can be rational but it takes extreme circumstances. For example soldiers that killed themselves instead of allowing themselves to be captured especially by an enemy who was known for torturing prisoners. i would say Hitler and the rest of the Higher Ups in the Third Reich made sense in regards to suicide. They knew they were screwed and likely to be tortured beyond belief. In fact Hitler worried about the Soviets desecrating his corpse thus leading to the orders to burn his body. Ironic I know.

 

[lwm3398]

People say suicide is selfish. I say people that say that are selfish. How dare you try to dictate someone's continued exstence because you can't deal with death. I hate people like that. We are all born into this world under the same circumstance, that we will someday die, and it's good to have control over that.

suicide because of depression or money problem is murder. killing a suicidal person makes you a murderer,unless you are asked to kill (in which case you should refuse to kill and take all things the person could kill themselves with)

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

Yes, it most certainly can. Euthanasia, for example. If you're suffering from a disease that is definitely going to kill you slowly and painfully, then logically you should end things with less pain and suffering.

as i've said,ending agony is not murder. it's a combination of pity and courtesy. let suffering be ended,and let it not be sin. ~LWM3398~

Absolutely...you were agreeing with me, right?

 

[Jursa]

Yes... if you're about to die a very very painful death, otherwise no.

 

[lwm3398]

Suicide is never rational because you are assuming that death is an escape. Quantum physics has proved that there is no duality. There is no death and rebirth. If you die you are coming right back buddy. So killing yourself won't work.

right back where,exactly?

 

[lwm3398]

Yes, it most certainly can. Euthanasia, for example. If you're suffering from a disease that is definitely going to kill you slowly and painfully, then logically you should end things with less pain and suffering.

as i've said,ending agony is not murder. it's a combination of pity and courtesy. let suffering be ended,and let it not be sin. ~LWM3398~

Absolutely...you were agreeing with me, right?

yeah. i went philosophical for a moment. sorry.

 

[DarkRyter]

Suicide due to sadness is idiotic

But suicide to say, save a whole bunch of people (sacrifice) is more than rational, it's heroic.

 

[UltimatheChosen]

It can be rational, but it's EXTREMELY rare. For instance, if I were drifting in space (in a spacesuit, not a ship), and I knew I had no hope of being rescued, I would probably kill myself, rather than gradually die of suffocation/cold.

 

[Crowghast]

Death is far too final. There is absolutely no return, and no-one knows what's on the other side for sure.

Both of those factors make it a rather irrational decision.

As a temperamental Christian, I am somewhat apprehensive of suicide, because "you'll burn in Hell! HA HA!" has been forced down my throat.

But if I were an Athiest, it'd mean I would end up in nothing. And non-existence is just shit.

If I were Agnostic that'd be worse, because i'd have no fucking clue.

So, whatever, think what you like on the topic.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

Yes, it most certainly can. Euthanasia, for example. If you're suffering from a disease that is definitely going to kill you slowly and painfully, then logically you should end things with less pain and suffering.

as i've said,ending agony is not murder. it's a combination of pity and courtesy. let suffering be ended,and let it not be sin. ~LWM3398~

Absolutely...you were agreeing with me, right?

yeah. i went philosophical for a moment. sorry.

Not at all, just glad someone wasn't firing at me with the 'UR WRONG' cannons.

 

[dnnydllr]

Rational person:
I've lost my house, my job, my family, there's nowhere for me to go. *Kills self*

It's possible.

That's why you make something for yourself to go on. We are here for some reason, and even if your life is destroyed, that's no reason to give up. Find your purpose in life. See the world. Everything is bound to get better. If not, see a psychologist.

 

[SharPhoe]

I've been on the receiving end of "The Talk" before.
It was not the most fun I've ever had, that is for sure.

It's no fun giving it, either. Especially if it's to the same person, since you have to be extremely careful not to seem like you're just repeating yourself. Still, I sincerely hope you don't have those thoughts anymore, Max.

 

[Minjoltr]

My Aunt's in a but of a situation like this. She's in her seventies and the nerves in her neck are damaged (I forget how). She is currently on Morphine, of her own volition, which will eventually kill her. If she comes off it, she will have to live in incredible agony which, her doctors have warned her, has a high suicide rate in sufferers with similar conditions. She also has to have injections into her neck once a month under a general anaesthetic and last time they did it, her heart stopped and she had to be revived. She has been warned that the next time, she may not be so lucky.

Each is a choice she has made and an action she has undertaken .

Is it still suicide if you have chosen an action which will result in your death to avoid something else which will also result in your death?

Is it still suicide if you do something which will certainly lead to your death but not with the intention of dying as a result of your action?

 

[Fantastico]

Of course. If you're trapped in a dark room with the enemy knocking at the front door, you're better off ending your own life, at the very least your enemy won't get the satisfaction, and at best sparing yourself from an even more gruesome death.

Or perhaps you may need to sacrifice yourself for the good of another person, such as to provide sustinance for your fellow adventurers while lost at sea/desert/basement/ect.

 

[Neonbob]

look at it this way. you split into 2 people. one has a gun,one's suicidal. one with gun kills you both. the corpses become you again.

what i'm getting at is that it's the taking of an innocent life. it's murder. it's sin. it's a one way first class ticket to hell.

...What? How is suicide murder?
Murder = the killing of another human being. I don't think that killing yourself qualifies. And there is no way in hell anybody can say that they had an "innocent" life.

 

[Thanatos34]

In most cases, no.

However, the question is whether it can be rational, and in terms of someone who has a painful, fatal, debilitating disease, and who doesn't believe in a higher power, then yes, it could be rational.

 

[UltimatheChosen]

Is it still suicide if you do something which will lead to your death but not with the intention of dying as a result of your action?

I would say there's a difference between choosing how to die, and choosing to die.