Poll: Circumcision - What is your opinion?

[DefunctTheory]

"lasts longer" have actually never been proven (look up orgasm control . that is more an individual thing, and you can hold a penis erect for a pretty good time wheter you have foreskin or not. (above 20 minuttes, and 20 minuttes of sex just gets kinda boring..)

You must be doing it wrong (It had to be done, sorry).

As for the OP, everything has been completely argued out here. So I'm just going to make a statement or two, and leave.

1. Uncircumcised penises look icky.

2. Most females I've asked have agreed with me on statement 1.

3. I've never had any problems with my circumcision, so all of the supposed statistics and cons fall on deaf ears.

4. Can't have kids, wont have to worry about circumcising anyone.

5. Female circumcising is horrifying.

 

[qeinar]

Should be 100% mandatory. Uncircumcised penis looks like a dog penis.

well i don't like looking at fat people, does that mean we should kill of america?

 

[qeinar]

"lasts longer" have actually never been proven (look up orgasm control . that is more an individual thing, and you can hold a penis erect for a pretty good time wheter you have foreskin or not. (above 20 minuttes, and 20 minuttes of sex just gets kinda boring..)

You must be doing it wrong (It had to be done, sorry).

As for the OP, everything has been completely argued out here. So I'm just going to make a statement or two, and leave.

1. Uncircumcised penises look icky.

2. Most females I've asked have agreed with me on statement 1.

3. I've never had any problems with my circumcision, so all of the supposed statistics and cons fall on deaf ears.

4. Can't have kids, wont have to worry about circumcising anyone.

5. Female circumcising is horrifying.

actually doing it right by getting her done before 20 minutes.

Beeing european there are not really manny circumsiced penises around so it would be abnormal to girls to se a circumsiced one here. Since no parents really could be bottered to take their son to chop of a part of his penis, you could come across as a bit wierd of you in your 20's decided that having an operation on your penis would be a good idea.

Also i would argue that how your penis looks is not really that important since most people would not date someone as shallow as to not have sex with you because your penis does not look dandy.

 

[DefunctTheory]

"lasts longer" have actually never been proven (look up orgasm control . that is more an individual thing, and you can hold a penis erect for a pretty good time wheter you have foreskin or not. (above 20 minuttes, and 20 minuttes of sex just gets kinda boring..)

You must be doing it wrong (It had to be done, sorry).

As for the OP, everything has been completely argued out here. So I'm just going to make a statement or two, and leave.

1. Uncircumcised penises look icky.

2. Most females I've asked have agreed with me on statement 1.

3. I've never had any problems with my circumcision, so all of the supposed statistics and cons fall on deaf ears.

4. Can't have kids, wont have to worry about circumcising anyone.

5. Female circumcising is horrifying.

actually doing it right by getting her done before 20 minutes.

Beeing european there are not really manny circumsiced penises around so it would be abnormal to girls to se a circumsiced one here. Since no parents really could be bottered to take their son to chop of a part of his penis, you could come across as a bit wierd of you in your 20's decided that having an operation on your penis would be a good idea.

Also i would argue that how your penis looks is not really that important since most people would not date someone as shallow as to not have sex with you because your penis does not look dandy.

ProTip: One, two, or even three orgasms does not indicated 'done.' There is no done, only too tired/raw, lets take a break.

As for the appearances and such, I wasn't claiming they were pros or cons. Just making statements.

 

[SIXVI06-M]

Well, time for another dilemma, folks! How do you feel about circumcision? Is it good? Bad? Should it be legal? No? Yes?

Personally, i think i´ll weigh the pros and cons against eachother.

PROS:

Easier to clean.
Lasts longer (during sex)
Reduces risks of some diseases.

CONS:

Loss of about 40-50% pleasure during sex.
More prone to certain diseases.

Now i don´t know about you, but i think we can call this a 50/50 descision, right? It all comes down to what matters the most for you.

But the thing is, that PARENTS can make the descision in many countries, which i think is abhorrent and simply put, wrong, since the practice is irreversible. And if you say "Oh but it can be restored" no, it can´t, not entirely. It can be HEALED, but not restored.

Circumcision is only valid for ONE reason before one hits maturity, and that is a medical condition where the foreskin is to tight around the penis and must be loosened up.

So, my opinion is: If you´re an adult and want to, then fine, good for you. If you´re an adult and you´re about to circumcise a kid, screw you.

What about you?

BONUS DISCUSSION: I find it quite amusing how many people there is that say: "Male circumcision is fine, but Female circumcision is EVUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLL!" I want to ask them a question. Do you believe in equality towards both genders? If yes, shouldn´t male/Female circumcision be just as bad/good as the other?

(For the record, i am aware that female circumcision has MUCH more severe consequences, and i believe it is just as wrong as male circumcision, but this just bugs me. Why scream out for equality when you don´t want it?)

My penis is easy to clean. It's not that much more effort - pull back, soap, scrub, rinse.

Also - I has had no penis disease ever since... had it for over 2 decades now, still hasn't fallen off yet or had any malady befall it.

Hm... also hard to decide how much more pleasure I am actually having over a permanent convertible penis... considering I haven't had my soft-top lopped off...

 

[SIXVI06-M]

Should be 100% mandatory. Uncircumcised penis looks like a dog penis.

An uncircumcised penis is also a NORMAL penis... since we're all born to have one - fully equipped n all. Funny how you've been looking so closely at uncircumcised penises and thinking about dogs at the same time... hmmmm.

Also... I don't know what kind of dogs you've been looking at - but I'm sure my penis looks like a human penis and not one of those strange phallic mushrooms. You know, the ones that look like circumcised penises .

 

[awesomeClaw]

"lasts longer" have actually never been proven (look up orgasm control . that is more an individual thing, and you can hold a penis erect for a pretty good time wheter you have foreskin or not. (above 20 minuttes, and 20 minuttes of sex just gets kinda boring..)

You must be doing it wrong (It had to be done, sorry).

As for the OP, everything has been completely argued out here. So I'm just going to make a statement or two, and leave.

1. Uncircumcised penises look icky.

2. Most females I've asked have agreed with me on statement 1.

3. I've never had any problems with my circumcision, so all of the supposed statistics and cons fall on deaf ears.

4. Can't have kids, wont have to worry about circumcising anyone.

5. Female circumcising is horrifying.

1. That´s a pretty mean thing to say. I don´t say circumcised penises look disgusting(Which i don´t think, BTW) Plus, they both look the same when erect.

2. *Shrug* Most females i´ve met feel the opposite. It´s a taste thing.

3. What? Just because you haven´t had any problems doesn´t make the cons any less real.

4. Good for you.

5. Ah, the good old: "Cutting of a part of mans dick is fine, but if it´s done on a women IT`S EVVVUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!" Definetly good for equality.

 

[Kermi]

I was circumsized at age 7 because of the medical issue mentioned in the OP - foreskin was too tight.

I don't miss it. I think men who've grown up without it and get all weepy about it like they've been robbed of something need to either man the fuck up or just hand in the rest of their penis.

People compare the process to female circumcision where the clitoris is removed, and that is really not the same thing. It would only be comparable if the penis was chopped off, sewn over, then left to heal badly with life-threatening infections, ultimately leaving the guy unable to experience sexual pleasure of any kind.

 

[AMMO Kid]

It happened to me when I was a few days old and I've never looked back, not that I could or anything...

 

[The Wooster]

When performed necessary medical procedure? A-okay with me.

When performed without consent (IE on babies) it's genital mutilation. Simple as.

 

[holy_secret]

PROS:

Easier to clean.
Lasts longer (during sex)
Reduces risks of some diseases.

CONS:

Loss of about 40-50% pleasure during sex.
More prone to certain diseases.

Seriously. Is it really hard to keep oneself clean? Just wash it after every use.
I'm not circumsized and I can last for an hour if I'd like that. The reason one lasts longer is because of the loss of sensitivity. Is that really a good thing?
The best way to reduce the risks of diseases is to always be safe and healthy.

The argument that it's easy to clean is the biggest bullshit I've ever seen, really. With that thought, you might as well shave off all of your hair because it is easier to keep it clean then (if it isn't there).
I don't like circumcision. I think it's cruel (to children who have no choice or voice in the matter) and stupid to do it for any reason which isn't medical. If I could decide, I would bann it. Medical reason is the only reason for mutilating someone's body.

This is not an attack to you, Mr OP sir. It's just something I don't like. At all.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

Please allow me to make another statement, this time on behalf of all males everywhere: this is not an enjoyable topic for anybody. This is one big thread full of statements like "if you were circumcised, you're being robbed of the pleasure you should be feeling during life's best moments because your parents were stupid, IT'S SCIENCE" and "if you weren't circumcised, your willy is a smegma volcano loaded with STDs, and women hate it, IT'S SCIENCE". Honestly, this is like a thread weighing the pros and cons of having a small or large labia, because there's fuck-all that any of us can do about it, and we really don't really need our genitals analyzed by anyone that isn't going to stimulate them.

Seriously, this conversation is about as useful as asserting that your parents' decision to name you something starting with K had a deep psychological impact that negatively impacted your confidence and sexual attractiveness for your entire life, because even if you can tell it's bullshit, is there any way to not get mad at that if you're a Kevin or a Karen? Is there any way to read one big thread about how your penis is lesser or greater for reasons beyond your control, and remain neutral? It automatically backs a significant portion of the population against a wall and forces them to wonder "what if there's something wrong with me" even though they've been doing absolutely fine beforehand, which causes them to get defensive and start spewing ridiculous shit as fact. That's beyond unnecessary.

It's a troll topic. Congratulations on getting your replies and spawning a plethora of flamewars, OP, mission accomplished. Enjoy your shiny little badge.

 

[nunqual]

Well, I was circumcised as a baby, and nothing bad happened to me. I think it's an alright practice, considering it helps with hygiene and diseases. As for sexual pleasure, meh, who cares? Sexual activity still feels wonderful and amazing, and you never miss that sensation, if that statistic is indeed true.

 

[chad_quixote]

ive had multiple friends who had to go to the ER due to the sudden hardening of the foreskin, and yeah im all for having it done when youre a baby.

 

[Mumorpuger]

I would like to see some legitimate sources on all the claims made in the OP. Other than that, this 4chan argument is ooooooold. And a bit absurd, to be honest.

 

[Sandernista]

If you can't cum during sex because you lost sensitivity you never had stop fapping.


I really don't care what you do with your kids. Just don't mess with what I do with mine.

*Also*

FEMALE CIRCUMCISION IS NOT COOL. THEY CAN'T EVEN ORGASM!

 

[nunqual]

If you can't cum during sex because you lost sensitivity you never had stop fapping.

Uhm, I'm sorry, what?

 

[Lucifus]

I don't mind it. I was circumcised later on in life in my mid twentys. However i dislike immensely the idea of circumcising a baby for non medical reasons.

I didn't "Need" to be circumcised but I chose too have the procedure. If I didn't have the choice id be well pissed off.

 

[incal11]

Seriously, this conversation is about as useful as asserting that your parents' decision to name you something starting with K (...) even though they've been doing absolutely fine beforehand, which causes them to get defensive and start spewing ridiculous shit as fact. That's beyond unnecessary.

Seriously, this is a bit more consequensial than a name choice.
There's a difference between "here's a scientifically correct study" and "IT'S SCIENCE". I wish there would be more people trying to go to the bottom of things, instead of desperately clinging to their belief spewing bullshit as truth.
In this case a significant population would have to face the fact that they've been had by a ridiculous senseless practice that is harmful for more than sex. Well it's certainly not easy for them.
To make the world a little better them facing that fact is necessary. Otherwise I agree that more than an internet flamewar is needed, but if a few can be convinced in the middle of the flames then it is useful.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

What do you mean "it should be legal"? It is perfectly acceptable in society and the medical profession and there is no question of "legality" just as there is none with regard to tattooing, piercing or cosmetic surgery. Obviously the question of whether it is "ethical" or "proper" may vary widely based on culture. As well as its obvious religious significance being circumcised is healthier [http://www.billgothard.com/news/circumcision] and more hygenic [http://index.healthboards.com/menshealth/build-up-under-foreskin/1/]. In terms of health, there are many studies which demonstrate that circumcision lowers the risk of many infections and grants practical immunity to penile cancer. However noone has concluded that the benefits are as a whole significant enough to outright recommend "all boys should have it".

From a hygeiene perspective there's no build up of "smegma" which can lead to infections and a bad smell. However being a little more thorough when washing can prevent the above as well. There is one other "benefit" that's argued equally for and against which is practically impossible to measure. One of the functions of the foreskin is to lower friction during intercourse. This then translates to lower physical pleasure for both parties. However it is almost impossible to judge this either scientifically or even subjectively...a circumcised child will never know any different and as an adult the procedure itself (rather than the results) may have an effect on physical sensation that makes it difficult to compare. Some women prefer one and others prefer the other which makes that judgement personal and will vary between partners.

Further, I see no question whatsoever about performing circumcision or ear piercing on a baby. Although they are too young to give their own consent or "decide for themselves" they similarly have no say whatsoever on receiving immunisations or attending school. It is a parents job and responsbility to make decisions for children...in the UK, up to the age of 16. It is the sign of a good parent however that makes good/beneficial decisions and later, gets their child's opinion and feelings about a subject as they get older and are able to express them.

About female circumcision though, I am with the WHO on this one. Personally I see it as unnecessary, undesirable, even barbaric. It offers no health benefits, significant risk of permanent injury and considerable pain. Further it can forever diminish the pleasure a woman would get from intercourse in later life. I have no idea if there is even a religious tradition for it...as far as I know it's purely cultural. Bizzarely there are women who get cosmetic surgery to improve the "attractiveness" of the area (in some cases for health reasons too). But then there are some men who conciously choose to do strange things to themselves too...talthough in both these cases it is a concious choice by an informed and consenting adult to alter their own bodies.