Poll: Circumcision

[IchStrafenDich]

I'm serious. It's the discussion itself that is laughable.

Let's propose that there exists procedure A, which is totally reversible in later life and is customarily given to children who don't remember or care and which makes no real difference outside the aesthetic and cosmetic fields.

Let us also hypothesize that in some cultures procedure A has positive social connotations, and negative ones in others. This is, of course, assuming the relativist premise that all cultural notions and practices are equally valid. If you don't accept this... SHAME ON YOU!

Let us further postulate that procedure A is so private and minuscule that the revelation of one's status as a procedure A patient would have no significant effect upon a romantic encounter, or indeed, any encounter with somebody one might care about.

Accepting these three premises,
how can any one group who suggests 'PROCEDURE A IS TEH BAD' be taken seriously? Honestly, the level of discourse is so low that even people who come out to oppose anti-procedure A campaigners sound like hysterical ninnies. You are contributing to the idiocy process by supplying your non-expert opinions to an argument of no consequence.

I'm not so much defending circumcision as decrying the whole issue as being unworthy of strong, opinionated arguments. Why not take the time you spend writing these arguments and reading The Escapist trying to make a difference in life, say, by murdering your country's political leaders? Eugh.

 

[IchStrafenDich]

I'm against the forced circumcision of baby boys because you are removing the choice from the kid in the first place. For example, you had no choice if you wanted to be circumcised or not. You were, and hence are stuck like that. These guys who had it done: tis their choice - their adults and presumably willing and able to research something like this, weigh up any pro's or con's, and decide for themselves. Thats fair enough. But inflicting on a baby, whether they'll want it later or not, isn't right.

BABIES. CAN'T. CHOOSE.

And yes, parents DO have the right to choose, and should.

And you're wrong. Circumcision is reversible.

 

[Skalman]

Sweden. Male. Uncircumcised.

Why fix what isn't broken?
Circumcision does not have any real advantages in this day and age. It does, however cause a lack of sensitivity in and around the area in question.
The fact that people circumcise their children pushes my rage buttons. Because the child in question gets no say in the matter. If they'd want to be circumcised they can choose to have it done when they grow up. It isn't up to the parent's to decide.
I'd even go as far as saying, people who have their children circumcised are unfit to be parents.
Yeah, I went there.

EDIT:

I'm against the forced circumcision of baby boys because you are removing the choice from the kid in the first place. For example, you had no choice if you wanted to be circumcised or not. You were, and hence are stuck like that. These guys who had it done: tis their choice - their adults and presumably willing and able to research something like this, weigh up any pro's or con's, and decide for themselves. Thats fair enough. But inflicting on a baby, whether they'll want it later or not, isn't right.

BABIES. CAN'T. CHOOSE.

And yes, parents DO have the right to choose, and should.

And you're wrong. Circumcision is reversible.

Circumcision is reversible?
Well not entirely, It'll never be the same as if a circumcision hadn't been preformed in the first place. And the partial loss of sensitivity to the glans will never recover either.

I'm serious. It's the discussion itself that is laughable.

Let's propose that there exists procedure A, which is totally reversible in later life and is customarily given to children who don't remember or care and which makes no real difference outside the aesthetic and cosmetic fields.

Read my above comment. Not entirely reversible.

 

[Gamine]

Circumcision please!!!
Its better in the long run, how many of you circumcised dudes can remember the pain?

As for Female circumcision, some claim there is a need for some women....
but i know that there is a difference between Mutilation and Circumcision

How is it better? And why do people reckon there is a 'need' for some women to get circumcised? Aside from medical conditions.

Exactly!, the need is medical, otherwise, Crap.

For the dudes, i have heard a lot of nasty stories linked to not being circumcised, i dont wanna go there

......? You do realise most of the world doesn't practise male circumcision, right? What "horror stories" have you heard?

I actually thought most of the World's male are circumcised,

The horror stories include...general ugliness of the male organ, infections which are transferable to the female, a high likelihood to contact Aids or any other STD. ..

 

[Superbeast]

Sweden. Male. Uncircumcised.

Why fix what isn't broken?
Circumcision does not have any real advantages in this day and age. It does, however cause a lack of sensitivity in and around the area in question.
The fact that people circumcise their children pushes my rage buttons. Because the child in question gets no say in the matter. If they'd want to be circumcised they can choose to have it done when they grow up. It isn't up to the parent's to decide.
I'd even go as far as saying, people who have their children circumcised are unfit to be parents.
Yeah, I went there.

I had no say in the matter either.

And it did have a benefit

Spoiler

I couldn't piss straight whatsoever due to the foreskin being too tight, to the point of me often not being physially able to piss

So, it saved me from a lifetime of kidney stones and urine tract infections. Would my parents have been more fit to look after me if they subjected me to a lifetime of pain and infections? Sounds like it was an advantage to me.

Sorry, it just "pushes my rage button" that people say it has no medical benefit - sure, it may not prevent diseases like the theory in America (though I've seen medical theories gong both ways), but it does have medical benefit in some situations (such as mine). It's not just a religious practice, but is a procedure to prevent potentially severe complications.

 

[neolithic]

USA, Male, Circumcised.

Firstly: I hold no ill will towards my parents whom made the choice for me moments after my birth. They are my parents, and would not willingly do something that was detrimental to my health/development.

On another note, I was beat to it a bit earlier. But, and it's probably because I didn't get a choice in the matter and am just justifying my current position. However, I enjoy the idea that due to my lack of personal stimulation, I'm able to elongate the pleasure for her. Again, not every woman I've known always wants that. But, they usually give me a gold star for the thought anyways .

And most of them find it to be cuter. which, given my less than movie star looks, I'll take all the help I can get....lightswitches included .

anyways, my thoughts on it, I don't know what my thoughts on having my son (should I have a son) cut as a baby be, until I get there.



oh yeah, FIRST POST I THINK!

 

[Skalman]

Circumcision please!!!
Its better in the long run, how many of you circumcised dudes can remember the pain?

As for Female circumcision, some claim there is a need for some women....
but i know that there is a difference between Mutilation and Circumcision

How is it better? And why do people reckon there is a 'need' for some women to get circumcised? Aside from medical conditions.

Exactly!, the need is medical, otherwise, Crap.

For the dudes, i have heard a lot of nasty stories linked to not being circumcised, i dont wanna go there

......? You do realise most of the world doesn't practise male circumcision, right? What "horror stories" have you heard?

I actually thought most of the World's male are circumcised,

The horror stories include...general ugliness of the male organ, infections which are transferable to the female, a high likelihood to contact Aids or any other STD. ..

I'd call that propaganda, but then I'd look like a paranoid conspiracy theorist or something.

Anyway, the vast majority of the world are not circumcised. ("vast" is open to interpretation.)
The only countries I know of that do practice circumcision as the norm is the US and the Islamic countries.

 

[Skalman]

Sweden. Male. Uncircumcised.

Why fix what isn't broken?
Circumcision does not have any real advantages in this day and age. It does, however cause a lack of sensitivity in and around the area in question.
The fact that people circumcise their children pushes my rage buttons. Because the child in question gets no say in the matter. If they'd want to be circumcised they can choose to have it done when they grow up. It isn't up to the parent's to decide.
I'd even go as far as saying, people who have their children circumcised are unfit to be parents.
Yeah, I went there.

I had no say in the matter either.

And it did have a benefit

Spoiler

I couldn't piss straight whatsoever due to the foreskin being too tight, to the point of me often not being physially able to piss

So, it saved me from a lifetime of kidney stones and urine tract infections. Would my parents have been more fit to look after me if they subjected me to a lifetime of pain and infections? Sounds like it was an advantage to me.

Sorry, it just "pushes my rage button" that people say it has no medical benefit - sure, it may not prevent diseases like the theory in America (though I've seen medical theories gong both ways), but it does have medical benefit in some situations (such as mine). It's not just a religious practice, but is a procedure to prevent potentially severe complications.

I think that It's a fully legitimate cause to perform a circumcision if there's a medical motivation behind it, such as an existing infection or the foreskin being too tight.
What I am strongly against is circumcising very young children "just because".

 

[Superbeast]

I think that It's a fully legitimate cause to perform a circumcision if there's a medical motivation behind it, such as an existing infection or the foreskin being too tight.
What I am strongly against is circumcising very young children "just because".

Ah, my bad - I thought you meant *all* cicumcision (since you said "no medical benefit". Sorry.

 

[Skalman]

I think that It's a fully legitimate cause to perform a circumcision if there's a medical motivation behind it, such as an existing infection or the foreskin being too tight.
What I am strongly against is circumcising very young children "just because".

Ah, my bad - I thought you meant *all* cicumcision (since you said "no medical benefit". Sorry.

Nope, sorry if I wasn't clear.
I have nothing against circumcision, just as I have nothing against tattoos or piercing or whatever other body modification you could think of.
I do have very strong feelings against involuntary circumcision however.
It should only be preformed on a non-adult if there's a legitimate cause for it. Such as an infection or to tight foreskin etc.

 

[Elim Garak]

what? have you actually been to russia? do you realize that it is larger than the US in square meters than the US? what you said would be the equivalent of saying "yeah the US is a pretty antisemitic place".

Umm... I am FROM Russia. Of course it is ginormous, but there was only one Communist government. And this was virtually a policy - unofficial, but policy. Plus there is a ton of history of pogroms in large regions of Russia - pogrom is a Russian word, in fact. In some places it was better, in some worse, but it was pretty widespread.

 

[Spacelord]

I am circumcised, while there are no medical drawbacks currently, it's always safe for the precaution.
I can't stand however the social stigma affiliated with circumcisions. However you're a youngin' one day you'll look back and face palm at the ideas you had about all this. I know I face palmed about a lot of the ideas I had when I was in high school.

I've never heard of any social stigma associated with circumcision. What kind of preconceived notions are raised?

Also: not circumcized myself. Not that it matters to me either way: it's your dick.

 

[Jerious1154]

I feel the need to clear up the whole Jewish circumcision thing because a lot of people here seem to have misconceptions. Circumcision probably did originate out of a desire for cleanliness, however the "official" reason, and the reason why people continue to do it today, is that its sort of a "mark" that connects you to the rest of the Jewish people and to God. The removal of the foreskin, even if it has no medical advantages, is completely harmless, and when it's done to a baby it's almost painless.

all though there is nothing wrong with it it still is kinda gross, and the baby/jewish 13yr old doesn't get a say in the matter.

It's not performed on Jewish 13 year olds, it's performed on Jewish babies.

 

[Doug]

BABIES. CAN'T. CHOOSE.

And yes, parents DO have the right to choose, and should.

And you're wrong. Circumcision is reversible.

Ok, babies can't choose. But they grow up into adults and are either stuck with your decision or have to have surgery. And your an aggronant sod if you think parents have the right to mulitate there children. This isn't like vaccines or so forth.

Sweden. Male. Uncircumcised.

Why fix what isn't broken?
Circumcision does not have any real advantages in this day and age. It does, however cause a lack of sensitivity in and around the area in question.
The fact that people circumcise their children pushes my rage buttons. Because the child in question gets no say in the matter. If they'd want to be circumcised they can choose to have it done when they grow up. It isn't up to the parent's to decide.
I'd even go as far as saying, people who have their children circumcised are unfit to be parents.
Yeah, I went there.

EDIT:

I'm against the forced circumcision of baby boys because you are removing the choice from the kid in the first place. For example, you had no choice if you wanted to be circumcised or not. You were, and hence are stuck like that. These guys who had it done: tis their choice - their adults and presumably willing and able to research something like this, weigh up any pro's or con's, and decide for themselves. Thats fair enough. But inflicting on a baby, whether they'll want it later or not, isn't right.

BABIES. CAN'T. CHOOSE.

And yes, parents DO have the right to choose, and should.

And you're wrong. Circumcision is reversible.

Circumcision is reversible?
Well not entirely, It'll never be the same as if a circumcision hadn't been preformed in the first place. And the partial loss of sensitivity to the glans will never recover either.

I'm serious. It's the discussion itself that is laughable.

Let's propose that there exists procedure A, which is totally reversible in later life and is customarily given to children who don't remember or care and which makes no real difference outside the aesthetic and cosmetic fields.

Read my above comment. Not entirely reversible.

Thanks for the support. Also, is it me or does he seem ridiculously angry about this?

EDIT:

I'm serious. It's the discussion itself that is laughable.

Let's propose that there exists procedure A, which is totally reversible in later life and is customarily given to children who don't remember or care and which makes no real difference outside the aesthetic and cosmetic fields.

If its no big deal, why do it in the first place? Seems like a waste of money and time to me, given there is no benefit from it.

And how is this discussion laughable? Because we don't all agree with your point of view?

 

[Maze1125]

And based on the medical studies, there is no advantages of circumcision. It just seems like a rather barbaric, and possibly scarring practice.

Sorry to jump in there, Gormourn, but recently it's been found that being circumcised reduces the risk of catching HIV, as the virus attacks the cells in the foreskin. It still doesn't make you immune though.

Which, although being a perfectly reasonable argument for getting yourself circumcised, it's completely irrelevant argument for circumcising babies who, last time I checked, weren't getting much sex.

Not saying that you were making that argument, but a hell of a lot of people do...

 

[Doug]

Circumcision please!!!
Its better in the long run, how many of you circumcised dudes can remember the pain?

As for Female circumcision, some claim there is a need for some women....
but i know that there is a difference between Mutilation and Circumcision

How is it better? And why do people reckon there is a 'need' for some women to get circumcised? Aside from medical conditions.

Exactly!, the need is medical, otherwise, Crap.

For the dudes, i have heard a lot of nasty stories linked to not being circumcised, i dont wanna go there

......? You do realise most of the world doesn't practise male circumcision, right? What "horror stories" have you heard?

I actually thought most of the World's male are circumcised,

The horror stories include...general ugliness of the male organ, infections which are transferable to the female, a high likelihood to contact Aids or any other STD. ..

I'd call that propaganda, but then I'd look like a paranoid conspiracy theorist or something.

Anyway, the vast majority of the world are not circumcised. ("vast" is open to interpretation.)
The only countries I know of that do practice circumcision as the norm is the US and the Islamic countries.

Nah, call it progranda or advertising (by the doctors who get business for circumcisions), because that is what it is.

And Gamine? Seriously, when its "at attention", they all look the same, or so I'm told. And given that it'll be "at attention" when the (future?) Mrs Gamine see's it, 'ulgyiness' isn't an issue.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

Yes my penis was clipped thus leading to severe mental trauma.

 

[Goldbling]

I kind of wish I wasn't, unless the need arose to get it done. I'm Christian so I have no idea why my parents decided to get it done

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

Meh, I'm not so sure about those studies. I was circumcised at the age of abouttt...9 I think. It obviously wasn't my choice as I wasn't aware that such a procedure even existed at that age. It was the choice of my mother due to the fact that I kept getting urine infections, and, as anyone whos had one of those before will tell you, urine infections sting like a *****.

 

[Cheesebob]

Isn't female circumcision deadly?