Poll: Circumcision

[Nostalgia]

Removing the foreskin, exposing the head of your penis, makes it prone to friction and stimulus growing up. Over time, you'll loss some sense of pleasure and sensitivity. Also, it could lead to callouses due to there being no foreskin to provide a moist environment.

Dude what the hell kind of underwear are you wearing? Sandpaper?
Also what the hell is your penis made of if it is getting callouses?

Unless you are a Urologist you have absolutely no authority to cite your opinions as fact. Please dont ever use the word moist again when referring to your MANatomy.

When did I ever say that I had callouses myself? Don't put word in my mouth, please.
You can simply read up on it if you wish from multiple sources if you're skeptical. If you proud of what you have, then I see no reason for you to be attacking me unless I was wrong.

The foreskin is there to keep the head of your penis in an environment in which it will be protected. Moist is probably a horrible word to use, but that's what it does, to prevent chaffing and callouses naturally and preserve sensitivity.

Other countries find it to be disgusting that Americans will still provide this services so willingly for a reason.

What countries?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_and_law

Perhaps disgust wasn't wise to use, but many countries consider it unlawful without any medical reason.

 

[Nostalgia]

The male organ is ridiculously easy to please. Any nerve endings lost in the foreskin really don't make that much of a difference. And about autonomy and consensual things? It's really the same principle as your parents deciding anything else about your life before you're sentient enough to make a decision. As a child, I don't think you really count as a human being, so parents are perfectly within their rights to impose their values on you. A foreskin can be repaired if you give enough of a shit later in life.

Other countries find it to be disgusting that Americans will still provide this services so willingly for a reason.

Apparently not disgusting enough for people to choose it, non-medically, during adulthood outside the States.

Stop caring about children, they don't matter and they bounce back.

Also, don't interfere with a parent's right to impose values on a child, or you'll regret it when you come to make those decisions for your own children. So what if the parents make the wrong one, or a traumatic one? Then the little snotlings will have a reason to be angsty, cynical and rebellious other than mere adolescence. Suffering builds character. Beat on the brat. By your logic, one could advertise circumcision as a hilarious practical joke.

You seem to have extremely high disciplinary values, and mistaken me for doing this out of the best interest of the child. This isn't so much about choice for me as it is about it being mostly unnecessary and unnatural. Not that my personal beliefs would cause me to bullshit my argument, so feel free to cite me wrong, but this is why I'm adamant about it.

 

[Gamine]

Circumcision please!!!
Its better in the long run, how many of you circumcised dudes can remember the pain?

As for Female circumcision, some claim there is a need for some women....
but i know that there is a difference between Mutilation and Circumcision

How is it better? And why do people reckon there is a 'need' for some women to get circumcised? Aside from medical conditions.

Exactly!, the need is medical, otherwise, Crap.

For the dudes, i have heard a lot of nasty stories linked to not being circumcised, i dont wanna go there

 

[scoHish]

I'm not, but I live in a pretty religious area where most kids are. I always worried about what girls preferred and all that, but I can say now it hasn't caused me any problems. (wink wink) If I ever have a son, I probably won't have him cut.

 

[Doug]

Circumcision please!!!
Its better in the long run, how many of you circumcised dudes can remember the pain?

As for Female circumcision, some claim there is a need for some women....
but i know that there is a difference between Mutilation and Circumcision

How is it better? And why do people reckon there is a 'need' for some women to get circumcised? Aside from medical conditions.

Exactly!, the need is medical, otherwise, Crap.

For the dudes, i have heard a lot of nasty stories linked to not being circumcised, i dont wanna go there

......? You do realise most of the world doesn't practise male circumcision, right? What "horror stories" have you heard?

 

[Mindex]

It's just inhumane, cutting off the most important part of a man just for... WHAT?

The foreskin's not "the most important part of a man" by any stretch of the imagination. It's just a bit of flexible outer flesh over the glans ("head"). It basically retracts when fully aroused for intercourse. The loss of the foreskin can change how one experiences sex or masturbation but it doesn't lead to anything especially bad.

-- Alex

It's still a part of the penis. And you are chopping a part of it off.

Its actually more like burning it off.

 

[Doug]

The male organ is ridiculously easy to please. Any nerve endings lost in the foreskin really don't make that much of a difference. And about autonomy and consensual things? It's really the same principle as your parents deciding anything else about your life before you're sentient enough to make a decision. As a child, I don't think you really count as a human being, so parents are perfectly within their rights to impose their values on you. A foreskin can be repaired if you give enough of a shit later in life.

Other countries find it to be disgusting that Americans will still provide this services so willingly for a reason.

Apparently not disgusting enough for people to choose it, non-medically, during adulthood outside the States.

Stop caring about children, they don't matter and they bounce back.

Also, don't interfere with a parent's right to impose values on a child, or you'll regret it when you come to make those decisions for your own children. So what if the parents make the wrong one, or a traumatic one? Then the little snotlings will have a reason to be angsty, cynical and rebellious other than mere adolescence. Suffering builds character. Beat on the brat. By your logic, one could advertise circumcision as a hilarious practical joke.

You seem to have extremely high disciplinary values, and mistaken me for doing this out of the best interest of the child. This isn't so much about choice for me as it is about it being mostly unnecessary and unnatural. Not that my personal beliefs would cause me to bullshit my argument, so feel free to cite me wrong, but this is why I'm adamant about it.

I really can't tell if "IchStrafenDich" is being serious or not. It reads like parody, but I can't tell.

 

[Mindex]

I'm circumcised and I haven't had any problems at all. A majority of Americans are circumcised for medical reasons as a child. Its more of a preventative measure than a cure. They circumcise you as a child so you wont have problems later. In the end does it really matter. To me no.

 

[Doug]

I'm circumcised and I haven't had any problems at all. A majority of Americans are circumcised for medical reasons as a child. Its more of a preventative measure than a cure. They circumcise you as a child so you wont have problems later. In the end does it really matter. To me no.

Again, there is no medical evidence that circumcision has any benefit medically at all. In fact, there maybe drawbacks, although the medical evidence is conflicting. STDs and HIV don't care if you have a foreskin or not. And so long as you shower daily, and clean the winky, which you should be doing anyway, there is still no drawback.

 

[Pipotchi]

I'm circumcised and I haven't had any problems at all. A majority of Americans are circumcised for medical reasons as a child. Its more of a preventative measure than a cure. They circumcise you as a child so you wont have problems later. In the end does it really matter. To me no.

A preventative measure? What does it prevent. I didnt realise that there was some disease that could afflict the foreskin in later life?

 

[IchStrafenDich]

I'm serious. It's the discussion itself that is laughable.

Let's propose that there exists procedure A, which is totally reversible in later life and is customarily given to children who don't remember or care and which makes no real difference outside the aesthetic and cosmetic fields.

Let us also hypothesize that in some cultures procedure A has positive social connotations, and negative ones in others. This is, of course, assuming the relativist premise that all cultural notions and practices are equally valid. If you don't accept this... SHAME ON YOU!

Let us further postulate that procedure A is so private and minuscule that the revelation of one's status as a procedure A patient would have no significant effect upon a romantic encounter, or indeed, any encounter with somebody one might care about.

Accepting these three premises,
how can any one group who suggests 'PROCEDURE A IS TEH BAD' be taken seriously? Honestly, the level of discourse is so low that even people who come out to oppose anti-procedure A campaigners sound like hysterical ninnies. You are contributing to the idiocy process by supplying your non-expert opinions to an argument of no consequence.

I'm not so much defending circumcision as decrying the whole issue as being unworthy of strong, opinionated arguments. Why not take the time you spend writing these arguments and reading The Escapist trying to make a difference in life, say, by murdering your country's political leaders? Eugh.

 

[IchStrafenDich]

I'm against the forced circumcision of baby boys because you are removing the choice from the kid in the first place. For example, you had no choice if you wanted to be circumcised or not. You were, and hence are stuck like that. These guys who had it done: tis their choice - their adults and presumably willing and able to research something like this, weigh up any pro's or con's, and decide for themselves. Thats fair enough. But inflicting on a baby, whether they'll want it later or not, isn't right.

BABIES. CAN'T. CHOOSE.

And yes, parents DO have the right to choose, and should.

And you're wrong. Circumcision is reversible.

 

[Skalman]

Sweden. Male. Uncircumcised.

Why fix what isn't broken?
Circumcision does not have any real advantages in this day and age. It does, however cause a lack of sensitivity in and around the area in question.
The fact that people circumcise their children pushes my rage buttons. Because the child in question gets no say in the matter. If they'd want to be circumcised they can choose to have it done when they grow up. It isn't up to the parent's to decide.
I'd even go as far as saying, people who have their children circumcised are unfit to be parents.
Yeah, I went there.

EDIT:

I'm against the forced circumcision of baby boys because you are removing the choice from the kid in the first place. For example, you had no choice if you wanted to be circumcised or not. You were, and hence are stuck like that. These guys who had it done: tis their choice - their adults and presumably willing and able to research something like this, weigh up any pro's or con's, and decide for themselves. Thats fair enough. But inflicting on a baby, whether they'll want it later or not, isn't right.

BABIES. CAN'T. CHOOSE.

And yes, parents DO have the right to choose, and should.

And you're wrong. Circumcision is reversible.

Circumcision is reversible?
Well not entirely, It'll never be the same as if a circumcision hadn't been preformed in the first place. And the partial loss of sensitivity to the glans will never recover either.

I'm serious. It's the discussion itself that is laughable.

Let's propose that there exists procedure A, which is totally reversible in later life and is customarily given to children who don't remember or care and which makes no real difference outside the aesthetic and cosmetic fields.

Read my above comment. Not entirely reversible.

 

[Gamine]

Circumcision please!!!
Its better in the long run, how many of you circumcised dudes can remember the pain?

As for Female circumcision, some claim there is a need for some women....
but i know that there is a difference between Mutilation and Circumcision

How is it better? And why do people reckon there is a 'need' for some women to get circumcised? Aside from medical conditions.

Exactly!, the need is medical, otherwise, Crap.

For the dudes, i have heard a lot of nasty stories linked to not being circumcised, i dont wanna go there

......? You do realise most of the world doesn't practise male circumcision, right? What "horror stories" have you heard?

I actually thought most of the World's male are circumcised,

The horror stories include...general ugliness of the male organ, infections which are transferable to the female, a high likelihood to contact Aids or any other STD. ..

 

[Superbeast]

Sweden. Male. Uncircumcised.

Why fix what isn't broken?
Circumcision does not have any real advantages in this day and age. It does, however cause a lack of sensitivity in and around the area in question.
The fact that people circumcise their children pushes my rage buttons. Because the child in question gets no say in the matter. If they'd want to be circumcised they can choose to have it done when they grow up. It isn't up to the parent's to decide.
I'd even go as far as saying, people who have their children circumcised are unfit to be parents.
Yeah, I went there.

I had no say in the matter either.

And it did have a benefit

Spoiler

I couldn't piss straight whatsoever due to the foreskin being too tight, to the point of me often not being physially able to piss

So, it saved me from a lifetime of kidney stones and urine tract infections. Would my parents have been more fit to look after me if they subjected me to a lifetime of pain and infections? Sounds like it was an advantage to me.

Sorry, it just "pushes my rage button" that people say it has no medical benefit - sure, it may not prevent diseases like the theory in America (though I've seen medical theories gong both ways), but it does have medical benefit in some situations (such as mine). It's not just a religious practice, but is a procedure to prevent potentially severe complications.

 

[neolithic]

USA, Male, Circumcised.

Firstly: I hold no ill will towards my parents whom made the choice for me moments after my birth. They are my parents, and would not willingly do something that was detrimental to my health/development.

On another note, I was beat to it a bit earlier. But, and it's probably because I didn't get a choice in the matter and am just justifying my current position. However, I enjoy the idea that due to my lack of personal stimulation, I'm able to elongate the pleasure for her. Again, not every woman I've known always wants that. But, they usually give me a gold star for the thought anyways .

And most of them find it to be cuter. which, given my less than movie star looks, I'll take all the help I can get....lightswitches included .

anyways, my thoughts on it, I don't know what my thoughts on having my son (should I have a son) cut as a baby be, until I get there.



oh yeah, FIRST POST I THINK!

 

[Skalman]

Circumcision please!!!
Its better in the long run, how many of you circumcised dudes can remember the pain?

As for Female circumcision, some claim there is a need for some women....
but i know that there is a difference between Mutilation and Circumcision

How is it better? And why do people reckon there is a 'need' for some women to get circumcised? Aside from medical conditions.

Exactly!, the need is medical, otherwise, Crap.

For the dudes, i have heard a lot of nasty stories linked to not being circumcised, i dont wanna go there

......? You do realise most of the world doesn't practise male circumcision, right? What "horror stories" have you heard?

I actually thought most of the World's male are circumcised,

The horror stories include...general ugliness of the male organ, infections which are transferable to the female, a high likelihood to contact Aids or any other STD. ..

I'd call that propaganda, but then I'd look like a paranoid conspiracy theorist or something.

Anyway, the vast majority of the world are not circumcised. ("vast" is open to interpretation.)
The only countries I know of that do practice circumcision as the norm is the US and the Islamic countries.

 

[Skalman]

Sweden. Male. Uncircumcised.

Why fix what isn't broken?
Circumcision does not have any real advantages in this day and age. It does, however cause a lack of sensitivity in and around the area in question.
The fact that people circumcise their children pushes my rage buttons. Because the child in question gets no say in the matter. If they'd want to be circumcised they can choose to have it done when they grow up. It isn't up to the parent's to decide.
I'd even go as far as saying, people who have their children circumcised are unfit to be parents.
Yeah, I went there.

I had no say in the matter either.

And it did have a benefit

Spoiler

I couldn't piss straight whatsoever due to the foreskin being too tight, to the point of me often not being physially able to piss

So, it saved me from a lifetime of kidney stones and urine tract infections. Would my parents have been more fit to look after me if they subjected me to a lifetime of pain and infections? Sounds like it was an advantage to me.

Sorry, it just "pushes my rage button" that people say it has no medical benefit - sure, it may not prevent diseases like the theory in America (though I've seen medical theories gong both ways), but it does have medical benefit in some situations (such as mine). It's not just a religious practice, but is a procedure to prevent potentially severe complications.

I think that It's a fully legitimate cause to perform a circumcision if there's a medical motivation behind it, such as an existing infection or the foreskin being too tight.
What I am strongly against is circumcising very young children "just because".

 

[Superbeast]

I think that It's a fully legitimate cause to perform a circumcision if there's a medical motivation behind it, such as an existing infection or the foreskin being too tight.
What I am strongly against is circumcising very young children "just because".

Ah, my bad - I thought you meant *all* cicumcision (since you said "no medical benefit". Sorry.