Poll: Cleverbot/Chatbot MUST DIE!

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Talshere

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yoyo13rom said:

I think you are overreacting. The chat bots certainly are NOT AI. They are not intelligent in any way we deem "life" to be intelligent, they cannot learn, the cannot correctly respond outside of a few set perameters. I do however they are an important step in developing AI. Certainly, if we ever come up with a true independent thinking AI, it will most likely originally be in the form of a chat bot.

May chatbots out there are ongoing projects of universities and computer software company's to try and create a genuine AI. To kill of chat bots at this stage is to kill off our best chance of finding that key spark of true intelligent artificial life.

I do not believe any of your poll answers cover my answer. So I will not vote in it.
 

Tydanubus

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I've had intelligible conversations with "Cleverbot." I've also had "Celverbot" butcher grammar and spelling and insist that I'm a machine. I've had "Cleverbot" sing Still Alive and exchange Team Fortress 2 memes with me. Other times, "Cleverbot" doesn't seem to know what I'm talking about when I say "Mentlegen" or "This was a triumph." It's almost as if it's just a chat roulette program that pairs you with a different person after exchanging several lines of conversation.
 

yoyo13rom

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Vrach said:
Wait, the application is actually making you doubt whether it's a human or software? Sorry, missed that part, it's kinda ridiculous to consider it talking to a person as it's very easy to guide Cleverbot into revealing it's software. For a start, it NEVER says anything until you do, it only replies (very obviously calculatingly and on a timer+search time)
Interrupting you here to state that I doubt it's calculating(it may be), but while I'm waiting for a response I can't write nothing, and if we were to consider that 2 humans were chatting then this procedure would assure that no one would interrupt the other.

and never says more than one line at a time, clearly showing it's not matchmaking software to begin with,
Err, actually I didn't notice that... although I doubt I used it enough times to observe if it makes more that one sentence at a time.


unless you actually believe there's someone out there 'hired' to work the site, which actually makes you a lot more similar to a religious person than an atheist.
No way do I believe that there's a hired goon to reply. I only consider that it's like a roulette chat site. Wait a minute! This guy actually speaks my mind:


Tydanubus said:
I've had intelligible conversations with "Cleverbot." I've also had "Celverbot" butcher grammar and spelling and insist that I'm a machine. I've had "Cleverbot" sing Still Alive and exchange Team Fortress 2 memes with me. Other times, "Cleverbot" doesn't seem to know what I'm talking about when I say "Mentlegen" or "This was a triumph." It's almost as if it's just a chat roulette program that pairs you with a different person after exchanging several lines of conversation.
Thank you Mr. Tydanubus for accidentally putting into words what my exact thoughts are. Couldn't have said it better myself.


The answers are also usually easily predicted, not in a way you'd predict a person's response, it's simply a logical way to implement it. If you asked a person the value of pi, they'd also either round it to the usual 2 decimals or tell you to go fuck yourself :)

The software for it is also not at all impossible to program, or even overly hard. The reason you're not seeing a more practical application is because of the flaws... any practical application of the algorithm(s) would likely require them to have a lot better success rate. But all it really requires is smart algorithm database building. You tell it something, it has an algorithm to validate how likely the information is true (and likely waiting until it's told that enough times to believe it's true, perhaps check the information with other people using it by asking them a question).
While I would find it easy to believe this answer, I find one thing rather hard to rap my mind around. I did a little programming back in my school days(which I've just finished), and I have to admit that it's not impossible or hard as I rushed away to say. It's just really time consuming which I don't find to profitable for such a program if it's results are somewhat minimal. Ok, let's say it is profitable(this is not my major problem).

The biggest problem is that I can't understand how this so called "program" matches the question(s) to a response.
Actually to make things clearer: it's not how it matches the response, but how it understands the question.
Ok let's say that that the database has the question "What is the value of pi?" correlated to "3.14". Then how come it still manages to respond to my question if I change it?
I mean the program could have more rephrases of the question correlated to the answer "3.14", but I doubt it knows like every rephrasing of every question out there. How come it still manages to give a response when it dose not understand me/the question?

And how come if I ask it the same question over and over it gives me weird responses?
As in, I keep asking the value of pi, and it answers:"3.14", "3.14...", "3.14?", "Briefly 3.14... But I prefer steak and ale pie" and then "No it's 3.14..." and plain simple "No".

I mean yeah it can have variations of the answer, but sometimes it just fucks up at the same question it just answered a few minutes ago?

These are the only thing I have troubles understanding. And if you add paranoia to my disbeliefs, then you can easily understand why I have troubles believing that this is not a hoax.
And unfortunately, because of this paranoia I Doubt I won't find it hard to believe that it's true no matter how much evidence I get.

The fact you're actually doubting it's software is cool though, shows how far the potential can go :)
It could be cool, the only problem is that I kinda lost faith in the whole human race and stuff and I regard all technological progress as "get rich quick" schemes.
But it it actually is like the real deal, then humanity deserves a brownie.

P.S: Please excuse my lack of comas, I'm really a slacker when it comes to punctuation.
 

Liberaliter

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OP, I don't think you know what you're talking about. If it was actually connecting two people, it wouldn't have such good spelling and grammar.
 

Vrach

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yoyo13rom said:
The biggest problem is that I can't understand how this so called "program" matches the question(s) to a response.
Search algorithm ftw? When you tell google "boobs" it doesn't know "oh, he wants boobies", it knows to search for answers containing key words.

yoyo13rom said:
Actually to make things clearer: it's not how it matches the response, but how it understands the question.
It doesn't. Understanding the question would be AI, this is just a play on the search algorithm and some other stuff.

yoyo13rom said:
Ok let's say that that the database has the question "What is the value of pi?" correlated to "3.14". Then how come it still manages to respond to my question if I change it?
I mean the program could have more rephrases of the question correlated to the answer "3.14", but I doubt it knows like every rephrasing of every question out there. How come it still manages to give a response when it dose not understand me/the question?
It doesn't matter how you phrase it, you still give it the key words it needs to "answer" a question. You can type "value of pi", "hey asshole whats pi", "would you happen to know what pi is" etc., it will still manage to find 3.14 among the pages because it has pi as a key word.

With due respect, if you programming knowledge is limited to high school/basic lessons, I can see you not understanding how it works. I don't mean it as an insult, just that I remember what they thought us in high school and the stuff I'm learning at uni now (not that I'm a programming guru or anything, but it is the profession I'm ultimately after), there's a world of difference :p

yoyo13rom said:
And how come if I ask it the same question over and over it gives me weird responses?
As in, I keep asking the value of pi, and it answers:"3.14", "3.14...", "3.14?", "Briefly 3.14... But I prefer steak and ale pie" and then "No it's 3.14..." and plain simple "No".

I mean yeah it can have variations of the answer, but sometimes it just fucks up at the same question it just answered a few minutes ago?
Because it's taught to, partly by the programmer and perhaps by the users as well. It just coins the answer to a random statement... or not. It can also fuck up sometimes because it wants to. Random's a handy function and if you're wondering "but why", exactly so it'd seem realistic, as computers are generally thought of as unable to make a mistake, so mistake and randomness are tied as qualities of a human, which it's obviously trying to emulate.

It's easy to tell it's a script and not a matchmaking device however by one thing (well many things, but one that comes to mind). You can change topics as often as you like, it won't complain. If you're doubtful about the software's ability to do a simple thing like match a random answer to a question, how would you explain it's ability to know when the subject's being changed? Because by your line of thinking, the 'response' of the matchmaking service would be to immediately match you to someone else, because a person would stop talking to you/complain constantly about how you change topics all the time.

Also, you can repeat the same question a lot of times, it will just fire out different, and often very nonsensical replies that you can see are tailored to answer a query based on key words. Now technically, the program could be wired to matchmake every time you repeat a question, but I doubt you'd get two people responding to "do you like bungee jumping" with "Yes, they are cute." within less than a minute :)
 

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Wow this made me laugh. I could see why a person might be fooled into thinking that, but it's just a bot. Try speaking to it in another language than English like Danish if you don't believe me. It's responses will stop making sense very quickly.
 

BonsaiK

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I thought I'd ask Cleverbot about it, this is what I got:

Me: Hello.
CB: Hello.
Me: I have some questions for you. Can I have a few minutes of your time?
CB: Yes, whatever.
Me: Some people think you are a hoax or something. What do you have to say about that?
CB: Only 'people' would come up with that silly theory.
Me: So, are you saying that the theory has no validity?
CB: Yes!
Me: What in your opinion do you think would make someone think such a thing?
CB: A little boring, being in computers 24/7.
Me: Are you concerned over the proliferation of these types of opinions?
CB: Not a bit, and you should be either. You will never live to see the heat death of the universe, we'll see to that.
Me: Okay, thank you for your time.
CB: Thank you as well, I must be going.
 

yoyo13rom

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Vrach said:
Ok, I now somewhat understand. But I still have problems believing it's the real deal.
Why? Because sometimes it's just that good.

I mean I started speaking in Romanian and the bastard understood me. And I mean I never though someone would incorporate Romanian as well.

Considering it gave some answers with regional slang and typos just blew my mind.

I mean now I consider it to good to be true.
It even gives out traditional smarty-pants answers(in Romanian).

If it didn't fuck up several times, I still would have considered it a chat matching program.

Edit: I rechecked cleverbot while I was writing a response and got carried away. That's why my line of though went form "fake" to "I just can't believe it's that awesome".
Don't get me wrong I still can't understand how it's possible to make an evolving program(probably that's why I'm not making the big buck and they are), but I'm now somewhere like 87% sure it's a program(it's just like when you see a "miracle" and just can't quite believe it's true).
I mean people made Wolfram Alpha, so how come they couldn't make this?
Anyway this will certainly be a step forward towards AI(I wonder how we'll use it...).
 

adamtm

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In fact, I am a chatterbot, and nobody ever found out!

Ooops...

Edit:
The easiest way to prove its a chatterbot is to let it talk to a copy of itself over a proxy and a simple copy paste script.
 

Tharwen

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It just picks out key words from your sentences and strings them back together using basic grammar and phrases it learned from other users. It can't be another user for two reasons:

1. The replies are nearly instant
2. The spelling is consistently good (as someone else pointed out many posts before me)

It works on a similar principle to [a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/"]Wolfram|Alpha[/a] in that it takes out the meaning of your input and returns the values it has saved for it.
 

adamtm

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I just did a little test: on this thread http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=423516&page=4

A guy wrote into Cleverbot: "Not croatia, I said cronxeh. Do you know where cronxeh is?"

Now i asked about "cronxeh"

I got the above sentence back word for word.

The sentence got indexed and stored, and i triggered the "cronxeh" response.

try it for yourself, it worked after the 3rd question for me.

If its a person, they cant know about this response.
 

Hiphophippo

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Actual cleverbot conversation INC.

Me: Ever rape anyone, cleverbot?
CB: Yes.
Me: Did they resist?
CB: Yea, they had flamethrowers and unicorns.
Me: You like penis or vagina?
CB: Yes, I wish I was a dinosaur.

So...either cleverbot is the world's most impressive rapist or there are some kinks to iron out in the programming.
 

reg42

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Cassita said:
Cleverbot is very easy to break.

As in, EXTREMELY easy to break.

Just use proper grammar and form more complex sentences than 'Hi'.

I don't get all the fuss.

/shrug
Have to agree with you on that one; I've never been able to have anything close to a coherent conversation with it.