Poll: Console Gamers: Excited?

[KhaineII]

So, as developers slowly "abandon" and "turn their back on" PC Gamers with console exclusives, dropped support for games (ie. Dedicated Servers, Less Patching, Boycotters, etc.) and a more general consensus for PC Gamers to quit feeling so entitled, are any console gamers like myself getting a little excited?

I put words and phrases like "abandon" and "turn their back on" in quotations, for the obvious reasons that PC Gaming will never fail as a whole. In fact, I hope it doesn't, it's good times. But, primarily as a console gamer I'm pretty jazzed. As the focus draws away from PC Gaming slightly, it's quite reasonable to say some of that focus will fall on us, the console community.

Over the next few years it would be a hell of a cool thing to see some of the PC developers start developing games geared for consoles, rather than just porting games over from the PC. Considering that many PC Gaming concepts are slowly prodding their way into consoles, I'd like to see more support for modding tools, mapping, and the online communities that come with it.

Take Halo 3, for example, a game which I detest but still provides a perfect example of the matter at hand. The Forge map editor provides some basic tools to swap around a few items and weapons, as well as the ability to adjust the simpler rules of specific game types, making for some very interesting experiences. Bungie even hosts a "file sharing network" of sorts that allows users to upload maps, game types, and videos to a Gamertag-linked online profile, and share your creations with the rest of the community.

So the early innovations are there, and the focus of developers slowly seems to drift towards us Console Gamers as a whole, so perhaps over the next few years we'll start to see some of what makes PC Gaming so exciting, trickle down our way as well?

Maybe. But nonetheless, what do you think? Do you think this future might soon be a reality? Are you excited?

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To any PC, Console fanyboys out there who may completely lose their head over this...can't we all just get along?

Oh, if you get Hot Wings reference, +1 internets to you sir/madam. It's LOTGD by the way.

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EDIT: Christ, I end up doing an edit fifty posts in every time I start a topic. Okay, here we go... I'm not excited that PC Gaming is going into their "apocalyptic downfall" as many of you seem to feel it is. I'm just excited to see a little extra focus on the console community as a whole. Perhaps we'll get some interesting items out of it. I just brought up the issues in the PC Community to give reason as to why the attention is on us console gamers. Valve and Infinity Ward said it, not me. I like PC's, I own a PC, but I own a console too, so I can't be excited for possible advancements in both?

Also, you can connect a USB Mouse and Keyboard to an X-Box 360. Games just need to give it the support. Biggest argument against console modding solved. Moving along...

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Many of them need PC gamers to buy their games and it's not like there is a shortage of games out there. It's a buyers market. Companies are in trouble all over the place because their HD games are too expensive to make and not enough people are buying them. Very few devs have a cash cow like CoD and can afford to alienate their customers. In fact, you could say that their high sales have given them a feeling of entitlement and arrogance that other devs would not be wise to emulate.

 

[MGlBlaze]

You speak like all PC gamers are elitists.

I'm all for as much of an equal experience across all platforms, but developers seem to be forgetting that all PCs are created unequal. Trying to treat them the same as a console (in some respects) will in all likelihood end badly in one way or another. Take the Dedicated Servers situation from MW2; any-one's PC could have performance-sapping applications running in the background that would make the game very difficult to play online for everyone if that person ended up being host, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Hackers are EVERYWHERE on the PC platform too, and there needs to be a way to kick/ban those cheaters.

Although it'd be awesome if consoles could end up supporting things like mods, etc. They're getting more sophisticated anyway, so I don't see much of a reason why it couldn't be done in some way. Halo 3 has actually made a bit of a start with this thanks to the Forge map editor, but it could be taken even further.

 

[MGlBlaze]

So, as developers slowly "abandon" and "turn their back on" PC Gamers with console exclusives, dropped support for games (ie. Dedicated Servers, Less Patching, Boycotters, etc.) and a more general consensus for PC Gamers to quit feeling so entitled, are any console gamers like myself getting a little excited?

No, you heartless bastard.
What a horrible thing to say. I'm have a PC myself and I don't feel entitled. Why do some console owners have this crazy pent up self esteem problem. Let me lay it down here:
The PC is not 'better' than consoles, it is simply a different experience for different people

The only reason that we're getting short changed at the moment is because consoles are more profitable, it could easily change.

But you my friend, are a moron, and what you are saying is idiotic and uninformed.
And no, we can't just 'all get along' with you being so bigoted.

QFT... except that last bit, that's pretty troll-ish.

I'm sorta a multi-platform gamer, but whenever possible, I get a game for the PC rather than the console variants. For the most part, I only get games for consoles that only come out on consoles.

I just prefer games on the PC; I like the extra control and customisation that you can get from it.

 

[KhaineII]

So, as developers slowly "abandon" and "turn their back on" PC Gamers with console exclusives, dropped support for games (ie. Dedicated Servers, Less Patching, Boycotters, etc.) and a more general consensus for PC Gamers to quit feeling so entitled, are any console gamers like myself getting a little excited?

No, you heartless bastard.
What a horrible thing to say. I'm have a PC myself and I don't feel entitled. Why do some console owners have this crazy pent up self esteem problem. Let me lay it down here:
The PC is not 'better' than consoles, it is simply a different experience for different people

The only reason that we're getting short changed at the moment is because consoles are more profitable, it could easily change.

But you my friend, are a moron, and what you are saying is idiotic and uninformed.
And no, we can't just 'all get along' with you being so bigoted.

Woah buddy, keep the damn shirt on. You completely misinterpreted what I'm saying. You didn't even read the next paragraph...

I put words and phrases like "abandon" and "turn their back on" in quotations, for the obvious reasons that PC Gaming will never fail as a whole. In fact, I hope it doesn't, it's good times. But, primarily as a console gamer I'm pretty jazzed. As the focus draws away from PC Gaming slightly, it's quite reasonable to say some of that focus will fall on us, the console community.

I don't feel worse off than PC Gamers, nor do I feel any better. I'm just commenting on the recent trend for larger developers to be a little upset with the PC Gamers.

So as it stands, these large developers seem to be focused slightly on the console community. Thus, the basis for my excitement. Perhaps we'll see a little tidbits thrown our way, like development tools.

You need to cool it, friend. I own a console, yes, but I also own a PC. I'm not a PC Gamer or a Console Gamer. I'm a god damned gamer. I'd like to see what I use on the PC on my XBox as well...

 

[TMAN10112]

I'd love to see console gamers get modding tools and similar advanced features. The more the merrier I say.

However, just because some developers are turning their backs on PC gamers, doesn't mean that they're going to improve anything on consoles. If anything, it only demonstrates how determined they are to ignore what their fanbase is telling them (Hint hint).

 

[KhaineII]

To any PC, Console fanyboys out there who may completely lose their head over this...can't we all just get along?

First you want to see PC gaming destroyed, and now you just want everyone to get along. Which is it?

Yes, I want it eradicated from the face of the earth. I hate PC Gaming, clearly, seeing as I own a PC and use it to play, C&C, WoW, Rise of Nations, CS:S, TF2, and Half-Life.

Read my post above this one.

 

[Cherry Cola]

So, as developers slowly "abandon" and "turn their back on" PC Gamers with console exclusives, dropped support for games (ie. Dedicated Servers, Less Patching, Boycotters, etc.) and a more general consensus for PC Gamers to quit feeling so entitled, are any console gamers like myself getting a little excited?

No, you heartless bastard.
What a horrible thing to say. I'm have a PC myself and I don't feel entitled. Why do some console owners have this crazy pent up self esteem problem. Let me lay it down here:
The PC is not 'better' than consoles, it is simply a different experience for different people

The only reason that we're getting short changed at the moment is because consoles are more profitable, it could easily change.

And why exactly does the PC have to get axed so you get a taste of it's strengths? A lot of games now are cross platform, and I think that's a good thing. If they can keep the experience consistent across all platforms and play to each platforms strengths than all the better for everyone. I have no problem seeing console gamers get the good stuff PC has, but not at the PC's expense. Same vice versa.

But you my friend, are a moron, and what you are saying is idiotic and uninformed.
And no, we can't just 'all get along' with you being so bigoted.

Self esteem problems? Just because he said that he was exited about the possibility of more advanced console-gaming?

Yes, consoles are more profitable, hence developers maybe want to focus on creating games with the consoles specifically in mind. The PC isn't supposed to get "axed", which is impossible anyway since it's a mayor gaming platform, but there could be a stronger focus on creating more console-friendly content, perhaps taking the time to finally try and make an RTS with good controls for the console. Maybe the PC would lose some games, but you have to make sacrifices in order to make improvements sometimes. PC is superior to consoles in many ways, it would only be fair to give consoles an extra hand.

Also, don't be an asshole. He's not bigoted, he didn't say anything about the PC being inferior or insulted another system.

 

[KhaineII]

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I did read it all actually, but what I don't understand is why you are 'jazzed' as you say, at the thought of all the good things about PC being removed, such as Dedi servers, Less patching and so forth. You're laughing at our misfortune. At the risk of sounding like a 5 year old, that's not nice.
And why do you want those things on the Xbox anyway? When you take on the benefits of PC gaming you also take on the setbacks.
From what I can tell from reading your post you own a PC anyway, why do want stuff from PC on consoles? The only benefit would be for console exclusive titles, cos the other ones you can get on PC anyway if you want to customize them.
Console gaming is made good by the smoothness of the experience, and I was genuinely annoyed on behalf of console gaming when they started releasing games unfinished and patching them later. Keep the platforms separate, because they, at their most basic level, are fundamentally incompatible.

Because, why the hell not? You go off on a tangent about how PC and Consoles are no better than one another, and the all of a sudden your trying to sell me on the PC?

I say toss on the development features to the XBox, PS3, Wii... go buckwild. What could possibly go wrong? I think it would be a great addition. Some games that come on PC and XBox, I just want to buy on the XBox. My friends own XBox, so I play certain games on XBox. Now I can't use devlopment tools because of it?

The hell with that.

 

[ma55ter_fett]

I liked halo 3

 

[Cherry Cola]

To any PC, Console fanyboys out there who may completely lose their head over this...can't we all just get along?

First you want to see PC gaming destroyed, and now you just want everyone to get along. Which is it?

Yes, I want it eradicated from the face of the earth. I hate PC Gaming, clearly, seeing as I own a PC and use it to play, C&C, WoW, Rise of Nations, CS:S, TF2, and Half-Life.

Read my post above this one.

You are clearly slanted towards the eradication of PC gaming in favor of console gaming. You are just trying to pretend like you're not because you're afraid of fully committing to your viewpoint, at least publically.

What makes you think that? Just because he isn't defending the PC and instead speculates that developers might start to work on making consoles better?

He's not "slanted towards the eradication of PC gaming", he's just supporting the idea of having developers making better content for consoles.

 

[zehydra]

The problem with consoles, is that it's just a computer that gives you limited access, but with promised consistent gameplay. I'd rather game developers didn't focus on trying to limit the player's access to the game, but I understand if they do.

 

[KhaineII]

I say toss on the development features to the XBox, PS3, Wii... go buckwild. What could possibly go wrong? I think it would be a great addition. Some games that come on PC and XBox, I just want to buy on the XBox. My friends own XBox, so I play certain games on XBox. Now I can't use devlopment tools because of it?

I have no problem with that!
I have a problem with you for some reason assuming that the PC has to be downgraded so this can happen. It doesn't have to at all. We can keep our dedicated servers and LAN and console gamers can happily have dev tools and map editors and mods.

It doesn't have to be downgraded! I'm just speaking of the sudden shift of focus to console gaming! Am I happy about the whole dedicated server issue? No.

However, with the focus on console gaming, can't I be a little excited to perhaps see some improvements thrown on?

 

[KSarty]

To be honest I really don't see too many dev tools being released for consoles dude. Most of them are not user friendly to begin with, because they will be used by those in the know, the mod community. As such it would only be more work for the developers to tweak the tools to utilize a console's interface, and that is time they just don't want to spend. The thing about the dev tools is that they were designed to run on a PC, they all are. The devs don't need to add anything to them in order for them to work for the PC community, I can't see them putting the extra work into making them console friendly.

In short, developers moving away from PC does not mean that console gamers will get more than they are used to. The developers are moving towards consoles specifically to make more money, that is all.

 

[DazZ.]

You want to see mod support moved to consoles?

The way it's going they are killing off mods and custom content along with PC gaming.

By they I mean Activision and IW. Which is fine, we would just be better off without them.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Self esteem problems? Just because he said that he was exited about the possibility of more advanced console-gaming?

I've got no problem with more advanced console gaming at all. however, if you read his post you will notice he is happy about PC gamers getting shortchanged completely, because for some reason he believes this will benefit console gaming.
This annoys me. I hate it when people want one platform to be over the other. I hate it when both PC gamers and console gamers are elitist. I hate people when they take this ridiculous factionalism. I don't want to see console gamers shortchanged so the PC gets better or vice versa. I don't understand why anyone else would either.

but you have to make sacrifices in order to make improvements sometimes.

Why should we do that when it's entirely possible to make both people happy without sacrificing anything?

I read his post, and from what I can gather he is happy about the fact that this means that consoles may get better content. He doesn't say "Yay, the PC is getting fucked over" he is saying "It's sad that the PC is getting fucked over, but on the bright side this could mean that consoles could be improved".

And of course you can try to make both parties happy without sacrifice, but it's a matter of money. If there is more money to be made of consoles, then maybe more developers would start to work on games for consoles. I'm not saying that I want PC gaming to fail just so that consoles can get better, what I am saying is that if the PC would get the shorter straw then I wouldn't have any real problems with that since it would mean improvement on consoles. I'm not anti-PC, if there was a way to make PC gaming and Console gaming improved without sacrificing neither then I would happily join that option. This is more of a "what if you only can improve one"-scenario.

 

[Pingieking]

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I'm not sure why you would be excited. Is the death of a gaming platform a bad thing? Would you be excited if the Wii is dying? Would the death of the PSP make you happy?

I have observed several things as a console and PC gamer (PS3+PC):

1) PC has not been the focus of gaming for most of this century.
2) I've seen more console->PC ports than the other way around for the past 3~4 years.
3) Developer have been more focused on the consoles for quite a while now. Pick any console, and I'll be able to pick out at least as many big name developers for that console as there are for the PC.

In essence, I think your thread is a few years late.

I am now going to present a few reasons why I'm not overly excited for the fall of PC gaming:

1) The decline of the modding community. Consoles will lack the ability to truely mod until they implement keyboard support. Some mods just can't be done through simple mod tools, and must be done through code changes. PC gaming has a trend of having the developers essentially releasing an engine with a example build, then the modding community then build their own game using that engine (Bioware and Paradox are two good examples of this). At the moment this is not possible on consoles.
2) Industry trends seems to be that the PC gaming features are going to be stripped away rather than transition over to the console. The Forge editor you talked about is good, but no other developers have followed that up. With IW's decision to strip those features completely, a lot of those features may be gone for good. I only know of 2 console games with any modding abilities; Halo 3 and UT.
3) There's no flexibility on the console control scheme. I can use a Dual Shock (the first one), X360 controller, Keyboard+Mouse, SNES controller, a complete joystick, or a controller made by some other third party on the PC. This means that I can choose a controller to suit the game, instead of choosing a game to match my controller. This is a huge + for game immersion and consoles needs to get this implemented (but they probably never will). A Starcraft style RTS will never play well on a console until they get in Keyboard+Mouse support. Some games simply NEED 100+ buttons.

 

[Cherry Cola]

You want to see mod support moved to consoles?

The way it's going they are killing off mods and custom content along with PC gaming.

By they I mean Activision and IW. Which is fine, we'll just be better off without them.

We'd be better off without mod support or Activision? I'm sensing suspect motives :O

 

[Cherry Cola]

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I'm not sure why you would be excited. Is the death of a gaming platform a bad thing? Would you be excited if the Wii is dying? Would the death of the PSP make you happy?

I have observed several things as a console and PC gamer (PS3+PC):

1) PC has not been the focus of gaming for most of this century.
2) I've seen more console->PC ports than the other way around for the past 3~4 years.
3) Developer have been more focused on the consoles for quite a while now. Pick any console, and I'll be able to pick out at least as many big name developers for that console as there are for the PC.

In essence, I think your thread is a few years late.

I am now going to present a few reasons why I'm not overly excited for the fall of PC gaming:

1) The decline of the modding community. Consoles will lack the ability to truely mod until they implement keyboard support. Some mods just can't be done through simple mod tools, and must be done through code changes. PC gaming has a trend of having the developers essentially releasing an engine with a example build, then the modding community then build their own game using that engine (Bioware and Paradox are two good examples of this). At the moment this is not possible on consoles.
2) Industry trends seems to be that the PC gaming features are going to be stripped away rather than transition over to the console. The Forge editor you talked about is good, but no other developers have followed that up. With IW's decision to strip those features completely, a lot of those features may be gone for good. I only know of 2 console games with any modding abilities; Halo 3 and UT.
3) There's no flexibility on the console control scheme. I can use a Dual Shock (the first one), X360 controller, Keyboard+Mouse, SNES controller, a complete joystick, or a controller made by some other third party on the PC. This means that I can choose a controller to suit the game, instead of choosing a game to match my controller. This is a huge + for game immersion and consoles needs to get this implemented (but they probably never will). A Starcraft style RTS will never play well on a console until they get in Keyboard+Mouse support. Some games simply NEED 100+ buttons.

Which is why further development on consoles may be able to provide this. Perhaps in the future if enough care and time is spent on consoles then we could have all those things. And he's not saying that he's happy about the "Death" of PC gaming, he isn't even saying that he believes the PC will die. He say the opposite to be exact.

 

[DazZ.]

You want to see mod support moved to consoles?

The way it's going they are killing off mods and custom content along with PC gaming.

By they I mean Activision and IW. Which is fine, we'll just be better off without them.

We'd be better off without mod support or Activision? I'm sensing suspect motives :O

I love mod support, just not Activision.

Depending on how other developers follow there won't be any motive, but if they just leave PC alone and focus on consoles I think PC gaming is better off.