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Poll: Console Gamers: Excited?
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The problem with that logic is how developers approach console games - essentially closed systems they can manipulate, and you can play.HUBILUB said:
Yes it'd be nice to see developers moving towards the middle of the spectrum instead of to one side or the other, but a peeeerfect example of what's to come is what MW2 has provided us.
Simply put: a tepid single player experience (personal opinion), and an online experience that hinges on you forking over more money for more content.
Period. Why would a company forgo profit when they can make more money? Yes there are some developers out there who still hand over quite a bit of modding ability to fans (<3 Valve), but from a business model perspective it doesn't make much sense on the console where everyone is already use to having to pay more for anything that doesn't already come in the box (just see joystiq's recent post about Activision wanting to further monetize the MW-online experience).
$10 isn't that much money in the grand scheme of things, but spread over hundreds of thousands/millions of users that's a lot of money to be raked in -- let alone multiple DLC releases. That game goes from being a $60 game - to a $100 experience - which for some is great. I know my girlfriend loves, I mean loves Fable II so the DLC has been great for her. The problem is that games start getting developed around how much money they can leech from you through consecutive DLCs, and not about the experience as a whole.
So yes, you and others may say PC gamers feel "entitled" to this "extra" stuff - and you'd be right from a console perspective. However, we don't expect anything more than what we've always had.
That's the issue at hand...it's a mindset difference between people who grew up on dedicated servers with modding and people who grew up not doing that/not expecting that. Because, it's been around for *years* and was the standard. Unfortunately it's probably going to be a rift that only continues to broaden as more and more people grow up with console FPS/RTS rather than PC versions (lets face it, it's so much easier to plug a console into your TV than it is to build your own gaming rig - paying for a gaming rig isn't an option for most people).
So back to the OPs point - yes it'd be great if the next gen consoles were essentially the gaming-rig part of the PC (I know I'd buy it), but I just don't see that happening. With HUGE corporations now doing multi-platform releases, and having the final say on financial matters - not developers - I don't see it happening. Their current and future (Read micro-transactions) business model, for consoles, is way more profitable - and we all know what the only thing Bobby Kotick and his ilk love more than the smell of their own shit...
Why would you even get a console?
The hardware is not as good as even a basic gaming PC.
You can connect a computer to your TV, if would like to use it instead.
There are a lot more independent games and mods on the PC and generally more innovative stuff.
You talk about different features the xbox are taking from the PC, would this not be completely against the point of a console?
A console is made to just sit down and play on, no work required.
Microsoft also has full control over anything on the xbox.
With a PC, you can always get what you want.
Microsoft could one day decide that they don't like a certain game and disable it for everyone, same with Sony.
The hardware is not as good as even a basic gaming PC.
You can connect a computer to your TV, if would like to use it instead.
There are a lot more independent games and mods on the PC and generally more innovative stuff.
You talk about different features the xbox are taking from the PC, would this not be completely against the point of a console?
A console is made to just sit down and play on, no work required.
Microsoft also has full control over anything on the xbox.
With a PC, you can always get what you want.
Microsoft could one day decide that they don't like a certain game and disable it for everyone, same with Sony.
-Want it to happen: 19
-Don't want it to happen: 24
I don't understand why this is so close.
Why on earth would you want a platform to collapse just to support yours?
I'm primarily a PC gamer and I wouldn't particularly care if Xbox rolled over and died, bringing it's developers to the PC. Unless you're trying to suggest that PC developers are better than console devs.
(Then I'd agree with you).
-Don't want it to happen: 24
I don't understand why this is so close.
Why on earth would you want a platform to collapse just to support yours?
I'm primarily a PC gamer and I wouldn't particularly care if Xbox rolled over and died, bringing it's developers to the PC. Unless you're trying to suggest that PC developers are better than console devs.
(Then I'd agree with you).
I think that this thread is very provocative. It's basically being happy at someone loss and that's a generally shallow thing and it says alot about a person.
It's basically like they found a cure for something such as cancer then making a post which says "Aren't you excited that we're getting a cure for cancer and those bastards in third world countries aren't?!". It may not be as extreme but the message still applies, you're also summing up a group of users as 'fanboys' which isn't fair. I'm a PC gamer and a console gamer. If developer pretty much said "Fuck all console gamers" I'd still fight for you guys. A gamer is a gamer.
Just because a user plays a game on a PC doens't make them any better or worse than a console gamer. You're just judging someone on something so petty. It's very similar to racism in that you're changing the value of someones life based on something little. A human is a human; a gamer is a gamer.
I'm not trying to offend anyone but I just feel being happy for someones misfortune is shallow in any case whether it's a PC games loss or a console gamers loss.
I'm not automatically a 'fanboy' because my opinion and gaming prefences differ from yours. I'm not arguing either.
It's basically like they found a cure for something such as cancer then making a post which says "Aren't you excited that we're getting a cure for cancer and those bastards in third world countries aren't?!". It may not be as extreme but the message still applies, you're also summing up a group of users as 'fanboys' which isn't fair. I'm a PC gamer and a console gamer. If developer pretty much said "Fuck all console gamers" I'd still fight for you guys. A gamer is a gamer.
Just because a user plays a game on a PC doens't make them any better or worse than a console gamer. You're just judging someone on something so petty. It's very similar to racism in that you're changing the value of someones life based on something little. A human is a human; a gamer is a gamer.
I'm not trying to offend anyone but I just feel being happy for someones misfortune is shallow in any case whether it's a PC games loss or a console gamers loss.
I'm not automatically a 'fanboy' because my opinion and gaming prefences differ from yours. I'm not arguing either.
WTF does that mean? Why does the fact that I want dedicated servers make me feel entitled? I'd just like PC games to stay the way they are...KhaineII said:
PC Gaming invented user created content. To say that PC Games are "catching up" in that respect is at once hilarious and sad.KhaineII said:
And as for an umbrella way of sharing creations, I don't really think an umbrella service like Live is required... You can just upload your maps/mods etc onto the internets, and people can download them, its not that much hassle as long as installing the mods doesn't take too much fiddling.
I see that most console gamers (and i believe that goes for pc gamers too) don't want the "other side" to collapse anyhow.In the end,we all just wanna play and have fun.
Being excited for pc or consoles getting abandoned is like masturbating over a girl who didn't hook up with you and think "That will teach her a lesson!".With other words,100% retarded.
Being excited for pc or consoles getting abandoned is like masturbating over a girl who didn't hook up with you and think "That will teach her a lesson!".With other words,100% retarded.
Mod support for consoles. lol.
Yeah, people are going to bust their ass making their favorite mods on their PC available on the consoles they don't play. Just for you.
Maybe it's time to figure out that consoles are morphing into PCs, and instead of flailing your arms and wishing for the destruction of PC gaming and the supposed "immediate success" of consoles.. then perhaps you should consider just playing games on a fucking PC, where all your gaming fantasies come true.
Instead of doing that, the average console fanatic will ***** that computers are too expensive and consoles are cheap. Wrong. You buy a base computer that will last you for close to a decade and you upgrade your video card or processor maybe once every 3 years if you're an enthusiast and like to keep with it. If not, then you really don't have to upgrade that often. If it's graphics and eye-candy you're after, then low settings on the PC version often look better than the 'standard' that is a low-resolution, muddy textured and overall bland looking console game.
Each of those upgrade intervals will net less cash than it costs to buy the "next-gen console", and all it's shitty accessories, over-priced games, etc.
Yeah, people are going to bust their ass making their favorite mods on their PC available on the consoles they don't play. Just for you.
Maybe it's time to figure out that consoles are morphing into PCs, and instead of flailing your arms and wishing for the destruction of PC gaming and the supposed "immediate success" of consoles.. then perhaps you should consider just playing games on a fucking PC, where all your gaming fantasies come true.
Instead of doing that, the average console fanatic will ***** that computers are too expensive and consoles are cheap. Wrong. You buy a base computer that will last you for close to a decade and you upgrade your video card or processor maybe once every 3 years if you're an enthusiast and like to keep with it. If not, then you really don't have to upgrade that often. If it's graphics and eye-candy you're after, then low settings on the PC version often look better than the 'standard' that is a low-resolution, muddy textured and overall bland looking console game.
Each of those upgrade intervals will net less cash than it costs to buy the "next-gen console", and all it's shitty accessories, over-priced games, etc.
First up... It took me a while to work out what your avatar was. I'll get round to sending you one intarwebz at some point...Furburt said:
Secondly, I honestly feel that modding and map editors should stay on the PC, but there should be tools to transfer them across to the 360, PS3 and Wii. While I believe that RTS's can work with a controller, and I actively prefer FPSs with a controller, I want the kind of accuracy you can only get with a mouse if I'm going to be making a new map (Far Cry : Predator has had the ONLY good map editor on a console since Micro Machines on the Mega Drive - this isn't the kind of success rate that fills me with hope). With the Unreal Engine being made more accessible, I can see that happening, and I certainly hope it does.
Also, while I feel that LAN should be standard on anything with more players than one, I'd actually like to see a combined server system; mostly Matchmaking, but with Dedicated Servers available. I could see it being a case of being parties only (or maybe invite only?) in dedicated servers (so it works more as clan and games with friends), with Matchmaking being for individuals and parties who just want to screw around, killing stuff without having to find a server. There's no reason that all the systems can't have both.
Yeah... I've been thinking about this more.
No I am not excited in fact I am sad. And I hate playing games on the PC (with a few exceptions like BG, IW, NWN and Diablo). What is this whole crappy PC port thing? Most crappy PC ports come from crappy PC games and still no one held a gun to anyone's head to buy them for either. So now the PC gamers won't be helping support the industry. Sure some might try and move on but alot won't. That means less money for developers. But goody for you because you got to rub thier noses in it. I hope it made you feel manly.
Moron!!!
Moron!!!
meh, im a pc gamer. honestly i dont care much. pc has a huge selection of games to choose from not to mention a huge indie game scene. i do kind of like how pc games are being held back, it makes the price drop much faster for the pc version. i dont feel entitled to extra features in games (like the whole modern warfare 2 dedicated server thing) but i dont like the price rise in games (we dont have to pay the console fee why should we pay an extra ten bucks?) fact is pc's will always get better quality graphics, and will always have more games (not nessesarily AAA titles, but more games), the modding community will always be there, and we have a broad variety of functions our system can use that consoles dont.KhaineII said:
one thing i think though: 2 gens from now consoles will start losing thunder to pcs. pc graphics are improving dramatically and have little headroom to go to look ultra realistic. hardware prices will go down allowing for cheap pc's to run great games which means people are less likely to buy a console. if pc could just work out a decent split screen system and better unified networking to other gamers (too many competing ones right now) there would be no reason to go for a console.
Always been a console before PC guy, but I don't want to see their downfall. Sure, there's some elitists in the gang. However, this is like saying every console player is 14 year old and swearing on Xbox Live. (Ok, these guys are there, but shut up. I'm trying to make a point here).
Besides, It's just 2 games. If every developpers starts doing this, now it would be a bit chaotic on the multiplayer scene.
Note* RAM's dream is a FPS match between PCs and consoles on the same network. If PCs goes down, he'll be force to play against the same crowd as always.
Besides, It's just 2 games. If every developpers starts doing this, now it would be a bit chaotic on the multiplayer scene.
Note* RAM's dream is a FPS match between PCs and consoles on the same network. If PCs goes down, he'll be force to play against the same crowd as always.
I agree.Furburt said:
They should not become closer because they're specialised to do different things. The PC's strength lies with additional content, mods and such. The consoles strength is the ease of use and consistency, I can by any 360 or PS3 game and whack it in without having to worry about the system requirements.
Patching is a terrible idea for consoles because it lets developers get slack and release an unfinished product with promises to fix it later. Fallout 3 is a good example of this "Fuck it, it's good enough" attitude, heaps of bugs, glitches and making players pay extra for a slightly better ending. It's even worse when they do this because of the amount of people who can't get DLC, so those of us who can't are stuck with the unfinished product.
On the whole I'm glad of any extra effort in console gaming, just don't make it more like PC gaming.
I have seen a shift towards consoles from the pc market, but it ain't lately, that happened when the old school consoles existed way back in the day. consoles have always had televised commercials, and big budget ads in popular magazines, whereas PCs... well PCs have always just kinda been there. they do everything a console or 2 or 6 or 8 can do and more... when you add it up well I'm a pc gamer, though i have an NES SNES a PSX(Original playstation model, the PS1 came later. busted unfortunately) and a PS2(still works fortunately, and supports old PS games...) but all my favourite titles are pc games, hell i was raised on consoles. but when i discovered PCs, I never really went back.(this was when I had a SNES and it was fairly new... the PS2 Was a gift from a friend.)
so no not excited, not even phased.
and for $600, it does everything I would do with a PS3 an Xbox 360, and MANY other consoles, and more. so when you look at cost to performance values, it's like buying a Pizza with all the best toppings over a sandwich with something you kinda like on it. costs more, but oh damn does it satisfy better.
so no not excited, not even phased.
Dunno about you, but I have a custom gaming rig I built for like $600 2 years ago, and it still runs everything fine... you just gotta know what you're looking for and where to buy parts and it's cheap, and getting cheaper every year, it's the balls to the wall everything hasta be top of the line systems that'll run you up in price till you're out 3 months rent.Marowit said:
and for $600, it does everything I would do with a PS3 an Xbox 360, and MANY other consoles, and more. so when you look at cost to performance values, it's like buying a Pizza with all the best toppings over a sandwich with something you kinda like on it. costs more, but oh damn does it satisfy better.