Poll: Could You Pull the Trigger?
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Obvious troll is depressingly obvious.LimaBravo said:Also WTF is a long blade. Im semi impressed you at least seperated the adjective.Koeryn said:
As opposed to a short blade ? define short and long please? If your gonna do that could you explian the practical differences between a knife and asword technique ? Pretty sure both cut flesh just fine.
Pro-tip :- chain mail never existed neither did a broadsword. Broad swords exist (know what I mean ladies :wink wink nudge.
My sense of right and wrong is not blurred. I consider it wrong to kill someone. I honestly hope I am never put into this situation. I don't dream about it. I don't think about killing the people around me. I don't think about killing some random person on the street. I may even be scared of myself if I did kill someone. This is sort of like riding a roller coaster of which you are scared: you will say when it is done "ok, that was fun (in a loose sense of the word) but let's never do that again".stinkychops said:
I kinda wanted to say for certain that I know I could, but that would be utter bullshit. A lot of people can probably say without a doubt, that they could. I just know I'm not one of them, not because I'm against killing in self-defense, but because I personally think that you can never know for sure until shit hits the fan and you actually have to make that choice.
Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own.
Absolutely. If it comes down to me or someone else I would certainly do what needs to be done first, and decide how to feel about it afterward.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
I'd be even less likely to feel bad later, but otherwise, no.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
Other than a lower chance of success, no, not for me. They'd be more likely to live, I suppose. I'd keep attacking them with whatever weapon I had until they stopped trying to get back up. They'd be far more likely to survive that if I had, say, a baseball bat instead of a pistol.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
Same as the second question.
Absolutely. If it comes down to me or someone else I would certainly do what needs to be done first, and decide how to feel about it afterward.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
I'd be even less likely to feel bad later, but otherwise, no.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
Other than a lower chance of success, no, not for me. They'd be more likely to live, I suppose. I'd keep attacking them with whatever weapon I had until they stopped trying to get back up. They'd be far more likely to survive that if I had, say, a baseball bat instead of a pistol.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
Same as the second question.
All martial arts, to varying degree, teach more than just how to (or how to avoid) punching someone. They also teach important things like situational awareness that most people have little to no experience with.LimaBravo said:
Speaking of lack of experience, surely with all of your own experience with weapons you'd be aware that without knowing what your doing a sword is almost as dangerous to the person swinging it as the person they're swinging it at. Just like with guns: People who don't know what they're doing are much, much more likely to injure or kill themselves. I have swords, I would not use them in a fight because beyond "Sharp end that way, swing", I really have no idea what I'm doing with one. Same thing with a knife.
Yes, you have a lot more training than I do. I did three years of sport style Tae Kwon Do, five years ago. These days I do not do any formal martial arts as I simply don't have the time or money, though I'll taking Krav Maga fairly soon. TKD taught me how to hit someone to make a noise (would be good for movie combat, come to think of it...) but not injure them. Since I quit, I've taken up sparring and learning from friends who do a variety of martial arts (Karate, Judo, Jujitsu, Olympic style Tae Kwon Do, kuk sool won...), practicing disarms and take downs with my brother (mostly picked up studying videos of Russian Spetsnaz, U.S. Marine training, etc.). Can I take away a knife/handgun/shotgun/rifle from someone in a controlled environment? Easily! And put them on the ground while distancing myself and making sure the gun is cocked and loaded. Could I do it in the real world without ending up dead? Probably not.
-shrugs-
Still, it's good exercise, and it's a lot of fun. Who knows? It may even save my life.
Seeing as how I live in Australia, the idea of anyone holding you up with a gun decreases to a chance of about 1-100000000000000000 for every kilometre you are away from Orange, but lets assume the man/girl has a knife.
Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own.
I know how to defend myself without weapons and if I tried too hard, it's wholly possible
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
It depends-If he threatens them when they're not around, I'd take my chances with him. If he has them at knifepoint, I'd do whatever he told me
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
Seeing as how the only projectile weapon I have ever used is a Paintball gun, my aim would be a tad shit and probably wouldn't hit him-If I did, yells of pain from my piss poor shit would not be good for my mind.
Up close and personal though, a good chokehold will stop any noise and is capable of completely disabling a person (They black out for a few minutes) in a few seconds. I could live with that, but i'd be scared of the place it happened in for a while.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
It depends on the situation-If the stranger is being held hostage, I'll do what he tells me. If he's holding up me and another guy at once by himself, he's not terribly bright and could be taken down without much of a struggle.
Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own.
I know how to defend myself without weapons and if I tried too hard, it's wholly possible
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
It depends-If he threatens them when they're not around, I'd take my chances with him. If he has them at knifepoint, I'd do whatever he told me
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
Seeing as how the only projectile weapon I have ever used is a Paintball gun, my aim would be a tad shit and probably wouldn't hit him-If I did, yells of pain from my piss poor shit would not be good for my mind.
Up close and personal though, a good chokehold will stop any noise and is capable of completely disabling a person (They black out for a few minutes) in a few seconds. I could live with that, but i'd be scared of the place it happened in for a while.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
It depends on the situation-If the stranger is being held hostage, I'll do what he tells me. If he's holding up me and another guy at once by himself, he's not terribly bright and could be taken down without much of a struggle.
Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own.
I genuinely reckon I could do it. It's me or him, he wants to get me, so if I can get him, I will.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
I act in defence of more people. I think more live's on the line would give me more conviction to end the life of this man I have never met.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
I don't think that it makes a difference to me. I still think about it the same way, regardless of emotional removal.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
I think so. I would maybe act in a more collected fashion than with my family, but I would still act.
I genuinely reckon I could do it. It's me or him, he wants to get me, so if I can get him, I will.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
I act in defence of more people. I think more live's on the line would give me more conviction to end the life of this man I have never met.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
I don't think that it makes a difference to me. I still think about it the same way, regardless of emotional removal.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
I think so. I would maybe act in a more collected fashion than with my family, but I would still act.
Don't be a smart-ass.falcontwin said:
And for your information NZ has ground combat troops in Afghanistan all the time.
I know we mostly do peacekeeping stuff around the Pacific but we're trained to fight and kill not peacekeep. You can teach a warfighter to be a peacekeeper, it's a lot harder to teach a peacekeeper how to war-fight.
Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own?
A:Yes. I problably could, but I would certinaly feel bad about it.
Q: Would having a friend or family member's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
A: Yes, without doubt. Atleast I hope I would be able to save someone close to me, even if doing so would force me to kill. Hope i never have to find out.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
A: Doesn't matter if I have to kill to defend someone close to me, or if i were angry enough. But it would be so much easier with a gun, one click and its over.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
No: I would probably not go as far to defend someone I don't know. IE not bash a head in with a shovel.
A:Yes. I problably could, but I would certinaly feel bad about it.
Q: Would having a friend or family member's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
A: Yes, without doubt. Atleast I hope I would be able to save someone close to me, even if doing so would force me to kill. Hope i never have to find out.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
A: Doesn't matter if I have to kill to defend someone close to me, or if i were angry enough. But it would be so much easier with a gun, one click and its over.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
No: I would probably not go as far to defend someone I don't know. IE not bash a head in with a shovel.
I would like to think that if my life or the lives of my family were being threatened that I could pull the trigger but whether I could would depend on me being in the moment, same for reaction time. If I could choose an alternate situation that didn't involve death I would probably choose that first as I'm not comfortable with taking a life regardless. But also as others have said, instinct (hopefully) takes over and does what it needs to ensure your survival whether it's up close or distant. As for strangers, I don't know. I'm known to be a protective person but I don't think I could risk my life for a stranger.
I would kill in self defense in any scenario with any weapon no matter who was trying to harm me. Others being at risk as well would not change my resolve to kill my attacker. Maybe potentially increase it, but not that much because I care more about my own survival than that of others.
Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own?
When your job puts your life in danger, the moral implications of murder take a back seat. Law enforcement officers are required to use what's called "The Threat of Force" first, and when that fails, they escalate to the "Overwhelming Response."
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
That would actually hasten my reaction. The thoughts usually running through a moral person's head are questions about whether their own life is worth killing for. Innocents and hostages make the situation much easier to evaluate.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
No. I own two handguns and I've been shown what they would could do to watermelons when firing HollowPoint rounds. Even from 10 feet away, there was still a wet red mist landing on me. So there's no point in pussy-footing about getting guts on you. They're going to get on you.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
Again, it'd be much clearer once an innocent bystander becomes a potential hostage. Instead of using the "Threat of Force," I'd just skip to "Overwhelming Response" once it became clear that the 'BadGuy' were willing to threaten another person's life, in addition to my own.
When your job puts your life in danger, the moral implications of murder take a back seat. Law enforcement officers are required to use what's called "The Threat of Force" first, and when that fails, they escalate to the "Overwhelming Response."
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
That would actually hasten my reaction. The thoughts usually running through a moral person's head are questions about whether their own life is worth killing for. Innocents and hostages make the situation much easier to evaluate.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
No. I own two handguns and I've been shown what they would could do to watermelons when firing HollowPoint rounds. Even from 10 feet away, there was still a wet red mist landing on me. So there's no point in pussy-footing about getting guts on you. They're going to get on you.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
Again, it'd be much clearer once an innocent bystander becomes a potential hostage. Instead of using the "Threat of Force," I'd just skip to "Overwhelming Response" once it became clear that the 'BadGuy' were willing to threaten another person's life, in addition to my own.
Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own.
Yes. I would take a life if I knew there would be no consequences as long as the person seemed to be some what of an ass. I don't really belief in the afterlife, so I would kill my best friend to preserve myself. I'm also suspicous that everyone I know is conspiring against me some how, so it would make no difference who it was.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction? It would make me aim more and for the head, don't want any last breath shootings.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you? No.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
No, although again, I would aim for the head.
Yes. I would take a life if I knew there would be no consequences as long as the person seemed to be some what of an ass. I don't really belief in the afterlife, so I would kill my best friend to preserve myself. I'm also suspicous that everyone I know is conspiring against me some how, so it would make no difference who it was.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction? It would make me aim more and for the head, don't want any last breath shootings.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you? No.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
No, although again, I would aim for the head.
Most likely, but I'd just sit there and cry forever.
It is against everything that I stand for to wish death upon another person, unless you deliberatly and directly threaten someone with their life. If it was me being threatened, the hatred I would feel would throw me into a fit of rage, but then I'd feel absoultely horrible afterwards.
If my family was in danger aswell, I'd be more likely to have no remorse, especially if it was my brother and sister. If anything were to endanger them, I'd be the first one to protect them.
Long-ranged would probably not feel AS bad, but I'd still be distraught.
And if it was a stranger, I'd probably still do the same as if I were on my own.
It is against everything that I stand for to wish death upon another person, unless you deliberatly and directly threaten someone with their life. If it was me being threatened, the hatred I would feel would throw me into a fit of rage, but then I'd feel absoultely horrible afterwards.
If my family was in danger aswell, I'd be more likely to have no remorse, especially if it was my brother and sister. If anything were to endanger them, I'd be the first one to protect them.
Long-ranged would probably not feel AS bad, but I'd still be distraught.
And if it was a stranger, I'd probably still do the same as if I were on my own.
Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own.
Absolutly
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
Nope, still my life on the line.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
Not at all.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
The human is an egoist by nature, I wouldnt get involved/care.
Absolutly
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
Nope, still my life on the line.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
Not at all.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
The human is an egoist by nature, I wouldnt get involved/care.