Poll: Darth Vader vs Voldemort vs Sauron
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I would say Vader is the most powerful with conditions.
Against Sauron: Yes, mentally Sauron can do terrible things to a normal mind, however Vader does have the initial mental training and fortitude that he had from his Jedi training. Although Vader did fall from that path, his transformation into Darth Vader after Padmae's death and Obi Wan's betrayal killed any sense of hope or desire for peace. Plus, Sauron's mental corruption works with the ring of power, yes Vader desire's power but he also values knowledge about said power. If Vader simply does his research (like Gandalf did in LotR) then he can learn that the ring will eventually turn him into a slave. Granted, this makes killing Sauron difficult, however if Vader sends underlings to retrieve the ring (with oversight to prevent corruption), has them fly to Mordor (with friggin' ships with friggin' lazer beams!), Sauron can't really react. It does come down to armies here, and Orcs with machetes can't really compare with ATATs and the Nazgul with TIE Fighters.
Against Voldemort: Yes, Voldemort has several horcruxes to destroy in order to kill him, however an 18 year old kid with mediocre magical skills was able find and destroy the horocruxes. Face-to-face, Vader might have a disadvantage at a distance, but that disadvantage is matched by the huge advantage that Vader has at relative close range (50 meters). All Vader needs to do is get to that 50 meter range and it'll be the force and lightsaber against wand and sorcery. Vader's knowledge of the force allows him to avoid traps and fight against enemies at a distance. The armies are a bit of a wash and could go either way however because Voldermort has a physical body, he and Vader can square off.
Finally, look at who laid the final blow against these villains
Sauron, killed by Gollum and Frodo Baggins
Voldemort, killed by Harry Potter and Neville Longbottom
Vader, killed by Luke Skywalker and Emperor Palpatine.
In my opinion, it's a bit of a challenge but I'd give it to Vader.
Against Sauron: Yes, mentally Sauron can do terrible things to a normal mind, however Vader does have the initial mental training and fortitude that he had from his Jedi training. Although Vader did fall from that path, his transformation into Darth Vader after Padmae's death and Obi Wan's betrayal killed any sense of hope or desire for peace. Plus, Sauron's mental corruption works with the ring of power, yes Vader desire's power but he also values knowledge about said power. If Vader simply does his research (like Gandalf did in LotR) then he can learn that the ring will eventually turn him into a slave. Granted, this makes killing Sauron difficult, however if Vader sends underlings to retrieve the ring (with oversight to prevent corruption), has them fly to Mordor (with friggin' ships with friggin' lazer beams!), Sauron can't really react. It does come down to armies here, and Orcs with machetes can't really compare with ATATs and the Nazgul with TIE Fighters.
Against Voldemort: Yes, Voldemort has several horcruxes to destroy in order to kill him, however an 18 year old kid with mediocre magical skills was able find and destroy the horocruxes. Face-to-face, Vader might have a disadvantage at a distance, but that disadvantage is matched by the huge advantage that Vader has at relative close range (50 meters). All Vader needs to do is get to that 50 meter range and it'll be the force and lightsaber against wand and sorcery. Vader's knowledge of the force allows him to avoid traps and fight against enemies at a distance. The armies are a bit of a wash and could go either way however because Voldermort has a physical body, he and Vader can square off.
Finally, look at who laid the final blow against these villains
Sauron, killed by Gollum and Frodo Baggins
Voldemort, killed by Harry Potter and Neville Longbottom
Vader, killed by Luke Skywalker and Emperor Palpatine.
In my opinion, it's a bit of a challenge but I'd give it to Vader.
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You're right neither of them deserve to win, heh the pussies. I'm pretty sure the real reason Voldemort changed his name was to avoid all the Riddler teases at school "Riddle me this Tom, who's got your nose?"
Sauron all the way, I never watched the movies properly (wasn't enough things blowing up all the time to interest the young me) so as far as wiki has told me he doesn't seem like such a giant pussy.
Sauron or Vader.
Voldemort doesn't even come into play. He's powerful, but as JK Rowling herself once said, "A muggle with a gun will beet a wizard with a wand anyday."
And Sauron and Vader have a bit more than guns...
Voldemort doesn't even come into play. He's powerful, but as JK Rowling herself once said, "A muggle with a gun will beet a wizard with a wand anyday."
And Sauron and Vader have a bit more than guns...
Vader would win, Vader does not fear death at all. Look at it this way, Voldemort feared death, thus he created the Horcruxes. Sauron's ring is basically a Horcruxe in and of itself, the same principal is there, thus he feared death as well. Vader has nothing to fear in death as he stared it in the face on Mustafar, when it comes down to it Vader would hold nothing back and bring doom to the other 2, if that failed than I would like to see them survive a concentrated long term orbital bombardment from an Executor class Super Star Destroyer
Sauron Wins. Its more than obvious. Voldy had power for what, like 2 decades? Vader was in business for like 2.5 I think. Sauron was boss for millenia, scaring the shit out of every fucking thing on middle earth. voldy got has ass handed to him by a group of teenagers. vader gets beaten by the light side (like wtf?). Sauron hold out against good for a freaking long time, and takes a mother fucking coalition of all elves, men, and dwarves to defeat him. sauron can make vader's deathstar's crew blow the ship up with mind control, and he can see voldemort far before he sets foot into mordour and sends his almost immortal nazgul to fuck him up. 1 on 1? sauron. vader is out cause hes just a mortal, and voldy dies because im pretty sure the liutendent of all evil can stand a horrible accurate spell that didnt work on a baby....
Yea, but the ring can only be destroyed by throwing it into Mount Doom, which involves taking it to one the place in the world where it's influence over its holder is at its strongest. Its heavily implied no one could bring themselves to cast the ring into the fires while standing there.Doitpow said:
OT:
Voldemort Vs Vadar, Voldemort says Avada Kedavra and Vadar bites it.
Voldemort Vs Sauron. We're talking a wizard going up against a minor god. Assuming Sauron doesn't just up and convert Voldemort to his service, the worst possible outcome is Voldemort needs to be killed a few times before he finally fucks off.
Let's see Voldemort take down the Witch King.Winthrop said:
Do not pursue him! He will not return to these lands. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of Man shall he fall
I like Vader the most of the three, but...I'd have to go with Voldemort. I dunno why I picked the baddie from a series of children's books that started going tanning about three books in and only got darker as they progressed, but...gut feeling. Voldemort.
I'd put money on Vader becasue of the resources of the entire Galactic Empire dwarfs the wildest dreams of Sauron or Voldemort. It's a ridiculous disparity of technology and power when leveled against two 'earth' bound powers, even magic and the One Ring.
Let's not forget, Sauron was defeated by a mortal sword in single combat. Voldemort was killed by his own curse. Vader was defeated by the Emperor, but even then, he won in the end. I could go on at length, but let's say one thing.
SSD Executor Beats a Horcrux. I don't CARE how well hidden it is, you can just turn the Earth into a cinder with the Executor, then no more Horcruxs anywhere.
Let's not forget, Sauron was defeated by a mortal sword in single combat. Voldemort was killed by his own curse. Vader was defeated by the Emperor, but even then, he won in the end. I could go on at length, but let's say one thing.
SSD Executor Beats a Horcrux. I don't CARE how well hidden it is, you can just turn the Earth into a cinder with the Executor, then no more Horcruxs anywhere.
If this is them as individuals, probably Sauron. I mean, he practically is evil.
If you were giving the three their respective armies, probably Vader, but it would be pretty close I think. Simply because Sauron is Sauron, and the One Ring is the One ring.
If you were giving the three their respective armies, probably Vader, but it would be pretty close I think. Simply because Sauron is Sauron, and the One Ring is the One ring.
Sauron wins because what people are forgetting is that Sauron cannot be killed... by anything... PERIOD!!!
Sauron is the right hand man of this universe's version of Satan. And is himself a very powerful fallen Angel himself in a sense.
Sauron can do things by himself and does. He's a powerful sorcerer and manipulator of nations. He doesn't fight in Lord of the Rings not because he doesn't have a body He actually does. He doesn't fight because there is no reason for him to personally go out on the field of battle.
Sauron doesn't die at the end of Lord of the Rings. His spirit is lessened to the point where he can no longer affect the world like he was, but he is still very much alive at the end.
Vader and Voldermort... They can die.
Sauron is the right hand man of this universe's version of Satan. And is himself a very powerful fallen Angel himself in a sense.
Sauron can do things by himself and does. He's a powerful sorcerer and manipulator of nations. He doesn't fight in Lord of the Rings not because he doesn't have a body He actually does. He doesn't fight because there is no reason for him to personally go out on the field of battle.
Sauron doesn't die at the end of Lord of the Rings. His spirit is lessened to the point where he can no longer affect the world like he was, but he is still very much alive at the end.
Vader and Voldermort... They can die.
Voldemort can teleport...halfeclipse said:
OT: Vader would die first seeing as he isn't immortal at all.
Sauron vs Voldemort: Voldemort would overpower him with a flurry of crazy shit, take the ring, teleport to Mount Doom, destroy the ring, ???, profit?
Ummm No Voldermort may be a powerful human mage but he's dealing with a level of power that warps the fabric of the universe around him by his very presence. Thats not even him having to cast spells.SuperRobot64 said:
Its a person who casts spells going up against a Primordial entity just below the power of the Devil
Just because the Ring happens to be a phylactery (I refuse to call it a Horcrux because J.K. stole the idea from phylacteries), that doesn't mean that Sauron's sole purpose for creating it was to avoid death. Don't forget, there were 20 rings of power total (Three for the Elves, Seven for the Dwarves, Nine for Men), and Sauron's Ring was forged with the intent to control all the other rings, but in order to do that, he had to place a very large amount of his power into it. (He was able to control the Men, but the Dwarves were harder to dominate, and he had little, if any effect on the Elves, as their three Rings were not made with his direct assistance).alithanar8 said:
Also, since Sauron is a Maia, he technically can not "die", per se. True, his physical form can be destroyed and his return to power as a Dark Lord permanently prevented, but he still continues to exist in spirit form.
Quoted from the Tolkien Wiki:
Of course, there is an argument that Sauron was sucked into the void, but he would still be technically "alive" even there, and it's thought that both he and Morgoth will break free from to void for Dagor Dagorath.